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Title: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on June 09, 2017, 05:26:20 PM
Any recommendations for a hop schedule for SA in a Saison? It seems to be a love/hate kind of hop. Planning a possibly busy beer and not sure if I should muddy the waters further with this or not. I just picked up a couple of ounces and thought they might work well toward the end of the boil.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 09, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
Any recommendations for a hop schedule for SA in a Saison? It seems to be a love/hate kind of hop. Planning a possibly busy beer and not sure if I should muddy the waters further with this or not. I just picked up a couple of ounces and thought they might work well toward the end of the boil.


I just steeped 2 oz of Lemon Drop in my saison for 15 minutes/175F. Doesn't come off as 'hoppy', just an accent to the yeast character IMO. Worked well.


Edit - Also used 28 IBU Hallertau for 60.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on June 09, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
Any recommendations for a hop schedule for SA in a Saison? It seems to be a love/hate kind of hop. Planning a possibly busy beer and not sure if I should muddy the waters further with this or not. I just picked up a couple of ounces and thought they might work well toward the end of the boil.


I just steeped 2 oz of Lemon Drop in my saison for 15 minutes/175F. Doesn't come off as 'hoppy', just an accent to the yeast character IMO. Worked well.


Edit - Also used 28 IBU Hallertau for 60.

Cool. So you think I could use Sorachi Ace similarly? Everything I hear is how powerful it can be.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 09, 2017, 05:34:11 PM
Any recommendations for a hop schedule for SA in a Saison? It seems to be a love/hate kind of hop. Planning a possibly busy beer and not sure if I should muddy the waters further with this or not. I just picked up a couple of ounces and thought they might work well toward the end of the boil.


I just steeped 2 oz of Lemon Drop in my saison for 15 minutes/175F. Doesn't come off as 'hoppy', just an accent to the yeast character IMO. Worked well.


Edit - Also used 28 IBU Hallertau for 60.

Cool. So you think I could use Sorachi Ace similarly? Everything I hear is how powerful it can be.


Absolutely, I've done it. It works really well in saison IMO. Obviously helps enhance the lemony character. It's somewhat assertive, but not Citra or Ekuanot assertive by a long shot.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on June 09, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
Any recommendations for a hop schedule for SA in a Saison? It seems to be a love/hate kind of hop. Planning a possibly busy beer and not sure if I should muddy the waters further with this or not. I just picked up a couple of ounces and thought they might work well toward the end of the boil.


I just steeped 2 oz of Lemon Drop in my saison for 15 minutes/175F. Doesn't come off as 'hoppy', just an accent to the yeast character IMO. Worked well.


Edit - Also used 28 IBU Hallertau for 60.

Cool. So you think I could use Sorachi Ace similarly? Everything I hear is how powerful it can be.


Absolutely, I've done it. It works really well in saison IMO. Obviously helps enhance the lemony character. It's somewhat assertive, but not Citra or Ekuanot assertive by a long shot.

Awesome thanks. The wheels are turning.

This may be a lemon basil saison. I brewed one last year that fell kind of short because of fear of overdoing it.

Ginger and Sorachi are in the running as additional ingredients but don't want to go overboard. Sometimes ideas like this work for me, sometimes not. Maybe I will go with ginger or sorachi but not both.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: bayareabrewer on June 09, 2017, 06:10:47 PM
IMO the whole sorachi ace being overly assertive/overpowering thing is overblown. Its definitely a distinctively lemony and unique tasting hop, but its not nearly assertive as some of the New Zealand/Australian fruit bombs out there.


I'm almost at the end of a pound I bought about 10 months ago, used mostly in Saison/farmhouse/mixed ferment style beers and I really like it.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Omar on June 09, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
I've used Sorachi Ace once in a SMaSH Saison. 1 oz as FWH, that's all. I liked how it turned out...very prominent lemony hop character. Other tasters found it a bit "too much" though. Wish I had more conclusive results to share!
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: reverseapachemaster on June 09, 2017, 06:31:17 PM
Saison is pretty much the only place I see sorachi ace used. I don't hate it enough to run away from it but don't like it enough to seek it out.

A more gentle lemony hop that lacks the kinda weird dill character is Aramis. It's like a lemony saaz. I really like it in saisons. I like it a lot blended with cascade and aurora.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Stepp2 on June 09, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
IMO the whole sorachi ace being overly assertive/overpowering thing is overblown. Its definitely a distinctively lemony and unique tasting hop, but its not nearly assertive as some of the New Zealand/Australian fruit bombs out there.


I'm almost at the end of a pound I bought about 10 months ago, used mostly in Saison/farmhouse/mixed ferment style beers and I really like it.
I would like to see your SA saison recipe if you're willing to share. I'm headed into brewing this new style for myself over the summer. With a pound of SA in my freezer this could be the beginning of something refreshing.


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Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on June 09, 2017, 07:39:45 PM
Saison is pretty much the only place I see sorachi ace used. I don't hate it enough to run away from it but don't like it enough to seek it out.

A more gentle lemony hop that lacks the kinda weird dill character is Aramis. It's like a lemony saaz. I really like it in saisons. I like it a lot blended with cascade and aurora.

Thanks for all the info. I picked up a couple of ounces for $1 so I thought I might as well give it a shot. Lemony saaz of aramis sounds awesome!
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 09, 2017, 07:49:10 PM
Saison is pretty much the only place I see sorachi ace used. I don't hate it enough to run away from it but don't like it enough to seek it out.

A more gentle lemony hop that lacks the kinda weird dill character is Aramis. It's like a lemony saaz. I really like it in saisons. I like it a lot blended with cascade and aurora.


I haven't tried Aramis, need to. You should give Lemon Drop a shot in a saison, too. Also works well in APA with a variety of hops, too.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: bayareabrewer on June 09, 2017, 08:59:21 PM
IMO the whole sorachi ace being overly assertive/overpowering thing is overblown. Its definitely a distinctively lemony and unique tasting hop, but its not nearly assertive as some of the New Zealand/Australian fruit bombs out there.


I'm almost at the end of a pound I bought about 10 months ago, used mostly in Saison/farmhouse/mixed ferment style beers and I really like it.
I would like to see your SA saison recipe if you're willing to share. I'm headed into brewing this new style for myself over the summer. With a pound of SA in my freezer this could be the beginning of something refreshing.


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70% continental pilsner and 30% domestic pale malt, yellow bitter Bru'n water profile with a mash ph of 5.3 adjusted with lactic acid. OG 1.048, FG 1.004 IBUs about 25. Imperial rustic yeast fermented at 75 degres the first 3 days and bumped to 80 for 5 more. Usually use magnum as a bittering hop, I've used up to 2 ounces at 5 minutes and  2 ounces dry hopped and like the results.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Stepp2 on June 09, 2017, 09:01:08 PM
Muchas gracias amigo. This will be happening very soon.


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Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: bayareabrewer on June 09, 2017, 09:26:26 PM
cheers. Let us know how it turns out.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: coolman26 on June 13, 2017, 10:10:34 PM
Brooklyn makes one that is called Sorachi.......original aye.
Title: Re: sorachi ace in saison
Post by: Stepp2 on June 13, 2017, 11:23:04 PM
Brooklyn makes one that is called Sorachi.......original aye.
That's looks pretty simple. A SMASH using SA.
12#'s Pils,1#sugar /step mash
SA@ 60min .5oz/30min .5oz/15min sugar/0min 5oz/ wlp0500/ 2oz SA dryhop



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