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Title: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on July 27, 2010, 07:24:09 pm
I am brewing with 2278 right now.
I brewed four times with it (re pitching).
Chill wort to 44F.
Pitch and let rise to 46F.
Keep at 46F a few days.
Do the bulk of fermentation at 48F.
Then at the end of fermentation raise temp again to 56F.

I am brewing Czech beers and there is just something strange with it.
I am getting BANANA esters.
So instead of nice Czech Pilsner I have mild wheat beer.

Does anybody have similar experience?
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: denny on July 28, 2010, 09:42:01 am
I've never had anything like that happen with 2278.
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on July 28, 2010, 12:20:15 pm
Neither have I. I brewed two wonderful CAPs this past spring with Czech Pils. No banana or other inappropriate esters were present. Maybe the yeast just needs a little time to think about what it's done.
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: blatz on July 28, 2010, 12:41:03 pm
hey bud - yeah - I swore off that yeast a few years back - it ruined a rye bock of mine pretty severely.

Its a major sulfur producer too - brewhobby tried to warn me of that but I made a few batches with it on my own to learn the hard way.

can't say I recall banana though - sure you didn't get some 3068 in there  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: denny on July 29, 2010, 09:40:43 am
Interesting to hear as many complaints as not.  I've only used it a couple times, but maybe I'll think twice before I use it again.
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on July 29, 2010, 01:30:26 pm
He he. 3068 nice try.
I have WLP300 but no 3068.

Anyway.
My understanding was that 2278 was one of many strains that Pilsner Urquell was using.
Then they blended it to desired taste.
Not sure where I got this info from.

I do like the other Pilsner Urquell strain Wyeast 2001 Pilsner Urquell or Budvar strain Wyeast 2000 Budvar.
My next yeast I will try is WLP802 Budejovice Lager.

WY2000 and WLP802 are not supposed to be the same.
There are actually two breweries in Ceske Budejovice (Right across the street from each other).
So at one point it is very likely that it was the same.
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: marty on July 30, 2010, 07:39:37 am
What did your mash schedule look like?
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on July 31, 2010, 09:15:18 am
Here is my Mash Schedule

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Total Grain Lbs:   10.49
Total Water Qts:   16.79 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water Gal:    4.20 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass:   0.14
Grain Temp:        68.00 F


                     Step   Rest   Start   Stop  Heat     Infuse   Infuse  Infuse
Step Name            Time   Time   Temp    Temp  Type     Temp     Amount  Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Protein Rest           5     20    131     131   Infuse   141       16.79   1.60
Maltose Rest          10     20    143     143   Direct   ---     -------   ----
Alpha Rest            10     30    161     161   Direct   ---     -------   ----
Mash Out              10     10    172     172   Direct   ---     -------   ----


Total Water Qts:           16.79 - After Additional Infusions
Total Water Gal:            4.20 - After Additional Infusions
Total Mash Volume Gal:      5.04 - After Additional Infusions
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: boulderbrewer on August 01, 2010, 10:43:23 pm
Never noticed that, a bad starter? Sulfur yes it does that. Maybe that is your culprit to a lesser extent that Blatz's beer.

Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 02, 2010, 10:58:31 am
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Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 89.0     8.90 lbs. Pilsener                      Germany        1.038      2
  5.0     0.50 lbs. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt                      1.033      2
  3.0     0.30 lbs. Carahell Malt                 Germany        1.034     12
  3.0     0.30 lbs. Melanoidin Malt               Germany        1.033     35

I used Melanoidin Malt and Cara-Pils this time.
Normally I just skip them.
Could that be the issue?
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: denny on August 02, 2010, 11:51:44 am
I wouldn't think so in those small amounts.
Title: Re: I am not liking me WYeast 2278 Czech Pils
Post by: jodyc on August 11, 2010, 07:28:08 pm
I agree about giving that batch a little more time. I finished a BoPils about 2 months ago with 2278 and it wasn't until after 4 weeks of lagering at 35F that the stench went away.  I remember it stank pretty bad when I pulled it out for the diacetyl rest, besides the sulfur I also got some banana-type esters.  So I threw it back in the fridge and nearly completely forgot about it.

Needless to say suddenly "remembering" the beer I "forgot" about was a really good surprise.