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Title: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: capozzoli on November 14, 2009, 03:59:46 AM
The SS United States that is.

She is moored down on the Delaware river. Its right by my bank so I grabbed this shot today. She is not going to be there much longer cause the rumor is that she will be sold for scrap.

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/capozzoli_2008/Pie002-7.jpg)

This amazing ship was built late and was put out of business by international air travel.

It still holds the speed record for crossing the Atlantic ocean.

This cause the hull and bulk heads (most of the super structure) is aluminum.

Her top speed and some of her inner engineering is still a secret.

The original owner , who has since died was going to restore her to a working cruise ship. Even though it would cost twice as much as building a new one.

His dream was never realized.

Later they said that they were going to permanently moor her at Penn's Landing, to be a hotel, shopping and entertainment complex.

This would be better than scrapping it all together.

But I am afraid the cost of mothballing it is too high, and the price of aluminum too valuable. Economics will over take nostalgia.

For those who care. I will keep you updated.  

(http://www.mbzponton.org/pax058/people/mueller/ss_united_states_1956.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/SS_United_States_cutaway.jpg)

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/transportation/4263478.html
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: bluesman on November 14, 2009, 04:14:41 AM
That ship is an awe inspiring...imagine how many man hours...blood sweat and tears went into building her.

What a crying shame... :(
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: narvin on November 14, 2009, 04:16:38 AM
Life goes on.  You can't dwell on the past unless you want to forgo the future...
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: capozzoli on November 14, 2009, 04:24:51 AM
I agree Narvin. It is what it is. 

But it would be nice if we could keep some little pieces of the past around to remind us.

I just wish it wasn't to be scrapped. Its like scrapping the USS Lexington or the  the USS New Jersey.

They saved her from the scrap heap.

Here she is, now a museum in Camden.

(http://ussnewjersey.com/images/pg_index2.jpg)

If we can save New Jersey, why cant we save the United States?
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: narvin on November 14, 2009, 04:38:49 AM
I do agree, Cap.  Living in Baltimore, there are many examples of history and preservation around that I think are an inspiring history lesson.  I always get a little sad when something is demolished that could provide an important history lesson to the public. 

I was perhaps distracted by thinking about "bigger" issues in our society today. But I agree... if feasible, this would make a great national park monument.
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: dimik on November 14, 2009, 04:40:00 AM
Probably because it is not symbolic or important enough.
Why let her rot when you could sell her and use the money for something?
Just logic.
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: babalu87 on November 14, 2009, 04:40:45 AM
Maybe it has to be done one state at a time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Massachusetts_(BB-59)

USS Massachusetts

(http://usscoontz.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/news-kit-cove5-b.jpg)
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: capozzoli on November 14, 2009, 05:34:15 AM
I love naval history. Still have lots to learn but I love it. I used to build model ships when I was a kid. I built a giant USS Massachusetts. I built a USS New Jersey too. Later I worked at The Philadelphai Naval Ship yard for a few years.

It was awesome to actually work on the real ships. I was stoked.

I worked on the refit of the USS Kitty Hawk back in the 80's. It was my first real job.

She was just recently decommissioned. 

(http://admin.vitinfo.com.vn/Anh/AnhTieuDe/2008/10/23/55012_USS_Kitty_Hawk.jpg)

Word is she is to serve as a floating museum in North Carolina.

There are those that want her to be a Museum alongside of the New Jersey because she was built in Camden. 
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: capozzoli on November 14, 2009, 02:06:49 PM
Im gonna cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZVW0yGFZfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_cYpS7XfuU
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: nicneufeld on November 16, 2009, 09:35:49 PM
Love the Iowa class battleships, they are a huge, beautiful design that ended up being generally obsolete as soon as they were built...the age of the dreadnoughts having long since past.  Still I gather they were useful for shelling shorelines (and far beyond) in various later wars, up to the Gulf War, as I recall.  Not to mention, the USS Missouri was useful for accepting the Japanese surrender in style.

Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: weazletoe on November 16, 2009, 09:59:38 PM

But it would be nice if we could keep some little pieces of the past around to remind us.



Oh no! You don't keep your poop in little jars in the basement, do you?
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: skotrat on November 16, 2009, 10:01:18 PM
he might for those LAMBICs
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: bluesman on November 16, 2009, 10:03:08 PM
he might for those LAMBICs

That's sick... :o
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: skotrat on November 16, 2009, 10:06:21 PM
Just how do you think that "HORSIE" aroma and flavor is gotten exactly???
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: skyler on November 21, 2009, 07:36:25 PM
Oh no! You don't keep your poop in little jars in the basement, do you?

I heard that Marlon Brando kept poo in jars.
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: chauncey on November 29, 2009, 05:00:31 PM
Im gonna cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZVW0yGFZfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_cYpS7XfuU
Me too, but for different reasons. The parallel between it and its namesake is just too stark. :-(
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: BrewingRover on January 12, 2010, 12:05:16 AM
Bumping this up after I saw this in the NYT today:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/a-push-to-bring-the-ss-united-states-back-home/?hp

Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: capozzoli on January 12, 2010, 12:34:59 AM
Cool article, thanks. The writer should have done a little more research though, they made a few mistakes. One of them is that the United States still holds the record for ocean liner crossing the Atlantic. Another is that while the steel in the hull is valuable the aluminum is worth much, much more. The super structure is mostly aluminum which is one of the reasons it is so fast.

Lets hope they save it. It would look great up in NYC.  

(http://www.oceanlinermuseum.co.uk/SS%20United%20States.jpg)
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: dbeechum on July 03, 2010, 09:25:52 AM
Good News!

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/02/update-americas-flag.html
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: weithman5 on July 03, 2010, 11:49:07 AM
as an old submariner, i see a big surface ship and all i see is a "target".  but i love it when they can be preserved.  even small old coast gaurd ships are sometimes turned in to parks. they make great places for a cub scout, boy scout campout.  just something different and it teaches a little about what men, and women, go through to protect this great land and people
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: MrNate on July 03, 2010, 02:21:30 PM
Good News!

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/02/update-americas-flag.html

I agree with some of the commenters in that article. She was born to run, turning her into a floating hotel is a bit of a bittersweet victory. But a victory nonetheless.
Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: capozzoli on July 03, 2010, 05:11:28 PM
Real good news, thatnks for posting. Havent had time to follow. Seems like it is going really slow. What a nail biter. $60,000 per month. :o Wow, add that up over a couple of years.

Strange thing, its value in scrap metal is worth less than several years rent. Its been there for at least eight. I am amazed it is still there.

Would be cool if they got it up and running but I bet tuff to find any ROI. At least not for a long time. If it costs less to make it a museum hotel shopping center Ill bet they will see some $ right away.

I love this ship. I was into modeling when I was a kid. I put together a big one of the United States.

I really love steam power.

"The construction of the ship's superstructure involved the largest use of aluminum in any construction project to that time, and presented a challenge to the builders in joining the aluminum structure to the steel decks below. The significant use of aluminum provided extreme weight savings. At 105 feet (32 m) beam, United States was built to Panamax capacity, ensuring the ship could clear the Panama Canal locks with just 2 feet (0.6 m) to spare on either side.United States had the most powerful steam turbine in a merchant marine vessel. The ship was capable of steaming astern at over 20 kn (23 mph; 37 km/h), and could carry enough fuel and stores to steam non-stop for over 10,000 nautical miles (12,000 mi; 19,000 km)." Wiki

Headed out Jim Thorpe in the AM for a few days. Man, I love it there. Gonna see the Northern and Reading Engine 425 tomorrow. IT will be commin in and out of town all day. A little rail riding too.  8) maybe cast a line out at mauch chunk lake. AHHH.

 Wonder how much it cost to restore this beast?

(http://www.american-rails-forums.com/AR%20Images/Regionals/RBMN_MT_4-6-2.jpg)

Title: Re: The United States is Being Scrapped.
Post by: nicneufeld on July 06, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
as an old submariner, i see a big surface ship and all i see is a "target". 

 ;D

That's what a lot of U-boat skippers thought surfacing next to what turns out to be a Q-ship!  Bad luck Fritzie!

What boat were you on, just out of curiousity?