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Title: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Visor on October 31, 2017, 03:02:47 pm
   I saw on the news that Constellation Brands has purchased a 9.9% stake in Canopy Growth corp., which is the world's largest publicly traded cannabis grower, with the stated intent being to develop cannabis infused alcoholic beverages in anticipation of cannabis' eventual legalization in the U.S.
   What is everyone's take on this story?
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Stevie on October 31, 2017, 03:05:49 pm
They are a company in a market that is mostly flat looking to invest in a market with high growth potential. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Nathan on October 31, 2017, 04:25:51 pm
I have brewed cannabis beer in the past and it was yucky
The laws here in Canada are pretty clear on cannabis and alcohol being combined  it's forbidden
Although I'm sure adding it to a home brew would be ok/unenforceable. The new laws don't even allow for the two substance to be sold under the same roof


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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Visor on November 01, 2017, 10:31:05 pm
   From what I got out of the news stories, Constellation doesn't seem to be overly concerned about the Canadian beverage market, and Canopy see's opportunities in Constellation's distribution network and organization.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Nathan on November 01, 2017, 11:59:42 pm
Canadian Bevarage market is very small


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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: JT on November 04, 2017, 07:13:19 pm
Canadian Bevarage market is very small


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I bet.  Who could afford to drink there?  I remember buying beer up there a few years back and it was crazy expensive! 

  "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."

Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: JosyPaigan on April 15, 2021, 05:07:40 pm
Even though they legalized it, they sell it in small plastic bags. It looks like I buy something illegal, even though it's perfectly legal. As I've noticed, this is mostly done in cheap stores. I recently bought marijuana here -- MODERATOR EDIT-- and I got a wonderful package that can be used next time. Yes, it may be a small thing, but it's still nice to get such a package. In general, I do not like all these plastic bags and cups. I always try to buy things that can be easily disposed of or recycled, without harming the environment. It is a pity that not all people understand this, and people who don't understand harm the planet.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 15, 2021, 07:59:15 pm
I have listened to a lot of beer marketing seminars and every single one of them said that "cannabis is not your friend" (of the beer industry). The fear is that cannabis is going to be taking a larger and larger share out of beer and spirit profits as it becomes more legal, less stigmatized and more available. Obviously Constellation is trying to diversify against this threat.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: erockrph on April 15, 2021, 09:23:29 pm
Wow... the pot bots are out of control, eh?

I'm all for legalizing everything, but I don't think cannabis will make a huge dent in beer sales if it becomes fully legal. The sales will just go from being illicit to being legal.

I do think that it makes excellent business sense for the beer/alcohol conglomerates to get in on the action. They are best poised to market and distribute, since they are already in a highly regulated market for a similar type of product. There is bound to be significant overlap from a marketing and sales/distribution perspective.

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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: dannyjed on April 17, 2021, 12:16:17 pm
I predict Cheetos sales will steadily rise.


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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Saccharomyces on April 17, 2021, 12:51:09 pm
I'm all for legalizing everything, but I don't think cannabis will make a huge dent in beer sales if it becomes fully legal. The sales will just go from being illicit to being legal.

The result is yet to be seen, but I agree with you with respect to beer.  However, I do believe the spirits industry will feel an impact due the difference in use between beer and spirits.  Spirits have a much larger audience than beer.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 17, 2021, 02:50:19 pm

I'm all for legalizing everything, but I don't think cannabis will make a huge dent in beer sales if it becomes fully legal. The sales will just go from being illicit to being legal.



I'm just quoting what the marketing experts have been warning. For what it's worth they are usually correct. They certainly nailed the Seltzer thing.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: narcout on April 17, 2021, 03:09:57 pm
There is bound to be significant overlap from a marketing and sales/distribution perspective.

I would have thought so too, but it has not been the case, at least here in LA.  The whole vibe is completely different (the marketing, the retail experience, etc.).

The difference between the cannabis store and the liquor store is night and day.  At least with the better shops out here, it is a much higher end experience (think of the Apple store without the attitude and with a staff that is actually friendly and interested in helping you find what you're after).
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: denny on April 17, 2021, 04:24:28 pm
I have been growing my own cannabis for several years. Meaning it's free.  Has not in any way affected my consumption of beer.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on April 17, 2021, 04:32:47 pm
In legalized states there are CBD and THC infused beverages. Very little surprise that alcohol conglomerates would want to move into that space. Not only does it offset any losses to their alcohol sales but it's pretty much certain that at least most states in the next decade or two will legalize and create huge markets for those products.

Here in the Denver area there are dispensaries all over (with home delivery coming in the next few months) with easy access to those beverages but the alcoholic beverage market is doing just fine.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 17, 2021, 08:36:08 pm
I have been growing my own cannabis for several years. Meaning it's free.  Has not in any way affected my consumption of beer.

Yep. How many seltzers do you consume every week again?
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: denny on April 18, 2021, 02:33:34 pm
I have been growing my own cannabis for several years. Meaning it's free.  Has not in any way affected my consumption of beer.

Yep. How many seltzers do you consume every week again?

Hmm, lesseee......😁
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 18, 2021, 06:35:24 pm
Hahahaha ... I'd drink a cannabis infused seltzer ... herein lies the problem.  ;)
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: HopDen on April 18, 2021, 07:50:29 pm
I have been growing my own cannabis for several years. Meaning it's free.  Has not in any way affected my consumption of beer.

I can't wait for Ohio to legalize weed so I can grow my own. WTF! Sure, I know, I can grow it now but I like to move within the confines of legalities. I don't want to risk losing  my home so I have to wait and continue to purchase from peops who don't necessarily care about those legalities.

I think alcohol, in all its forms, is way more problematic than weed and its derivatives both from a health and societal aspects.

Also, its not so much the fact that it would be "free" but at least I would know that it would be free of bulls*** chemicals and the shadow s*** that's associated with underground production.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 19, 2021, 09:21:04 am


I think alcohol, in all its forms, is way more problematic than weed and its derivatives both from a health and societal aspects.


I totally agree. Human beings have a complicated relationship with alcohol. The most stoned I have ever been has been relatively innocuous compared to the most drunk I have ever been. I'm totally in favor of legalization.

But just like alcohol it's the taxation that becomes complicated. Then it gets even more complicated when big business gets involved. In a perfect world everyone would brew their own and grow their own.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: pete b on April 19, 2021, 12:14:38 pm
I don’t think there are many people left who don’t see alcohol as the most destructive drug. I guess opioids and some other hard drugs are more dangerous to individuals but in terms of overall harm alcohol takes the cake. I am not sure what to do about it, certainly not prohibition. I do think the amount of advertising that romanticizes drinking is out of control and restricting tobacco advertising worked to reduce smoking as part of an overall approach.
Some countries have legalized or decriminalized all narcotics and have seen a decrease in overdoses. I think that’s worth trying, along with treating addiction as the disease it is and treating it instead of making it worse by turning addicts into criminals.
Weed legalization seems to be working well here in Massachusetts. There is the occasional corrupt local official trying to take bribes as is the case with any big money operation but I am  sure plenty of palms get greased for liquor licenses too.
It’s nice to be able to grow it legally, I am an avid gardener and someone who is really into it gives us great plants of different varieties every year. They are beautiful and fun to grow. Ironically I loved smoking pot as a teenager and there was a shortage at the time so it was always hard to get and we were smoking resin from pipes and had to often go into Worcester and buy it on the street which was super scary. Now my wife and I are super light users and we have to give most of what we grow away, which is legal. We laugh because when we cure it and trim it in the cellar in fall we track it all over the house and find pieces of bud on the floor that we would have killed for when we were 17 and had to scrap for a piece of crappy brown weed.
I think eventually states will see their neighbors raking in the revenue and it will be legal everywhere.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 19, 2021, 02:11:31 pm
We laugh because when we cure it and trim it in the cellar in fall we track it all over the house and find pieces of bud on the floor that we would have killed for when we were 17 and had to scrap for a piece of crappy brown weed.

This made me laugh out loud and brought back those memories of "Ditch Weed". Which was just weeds. Gathered in a ditch. That didn't get you stoned. But that you just spent $20 on.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Slowbrew on April 19, 2021, 02:37:26 pm
We laugh because when we cure it and trim it in the cellar in fall we track it all over the house and find pieces of bud on the floor that we would have killed for when we were 17 and had to scrap for a piece of crappy brown weed.

This made me laugh out loud and brought back those memories of "Ditch Weed". Which was just weeds. Gathered in a ditch. That didn't get you stoned. But that you just spent $20 on.

Full disclosure: I've never used weed or any drug other than alcohol (no judgement, just not interested) but the "ditch weed" comment made me chuckle. 

When I was kid we had volunteer marijuana (a.k.a. Hemp) all over the farm.  It was a remnant of having raised Hemp for rope and such, back when that was a cash crop in Northern Iowa.  We would see people sneaking into our fields, along fence lines, to harvest "free weed".  We didn't bother to tell them they could smoke it all day and never get high.  Hemp, which was a specific breed, doesn't have a noticeable amount of THC in it.  Hemp plants are huge and I'm sure they thought they were hitting the mother load from 10-20 13' tall plants.  If they wanted to cut it out of fence lines we weren't going to stop them.  Although we would put up a sign or two after we had sprayed it with herbicide, not all farms did.

Paul
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: denny on April 19, 2021, 03:08:00 pm
We laugh because when we cure it and trim it in the cellar in fall we track it all over the house and find pieces of bud on the floor that we would have killed for when we were 17 and had to scrap for a piece of crappy brown weed.

This made me laugh out loud and brought back those memories of "Ditch Weed". Which was just weeds. Gathered in a ditch. That didn't get you stoned. But that you just spent $20 on.

Full disclosure: I've never used weed or any drug other than alcohol (no judgement, just not interested) but the "ditch weed" comment made me chuckle. 

When I was kid we had volunteer marijuana (a.k.a. Hemp) all over the farm.  It was a remnant of having raised Hemp for rope and such, back when that was a cash crop in Northern Iowa.  We would see people sneaking into our fields, along fence lines, to harvest "free weed".  We didn't bother to tell them they could smoke it all day and never get high.  Hemp, which was a specific breed, doesn't have a noticeable amount of THC in it.  Hemp plants are huge and I'm sure they thought they were hitting the mother load from 10-20 13' tall plants.  If they wanted to cut it out of fence lines we weren't going to stop them.  Although we would put up a sign or two after we had sprayed it with herbicide, not all farms did.

Paul

Having grown up in IA, I was one of those people sneaking into fields and along riverbanks looking for it.  And it worked just like you describe!  I remember seeing cars with out of state license plates pulling Uhaul trailers loaded with it.  This was probably around 1966-67.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Wilbur on April 19, 2021, 03:46:37 pm

I'm all for legalizing everything, but I don't think cannabis will make a huge dent in beer sales if it becomes fully legal. The sales will just go from being illicit to being legal.



I'm just quoting what the marketing experts have been warning. For what it's worth they are usually correct. They certainly nailed the Seltzer thing.

I've seen some CBD seltzer in the liquor store. I kind of think it'll take away from seltzer more than beer, although all the craft breweries making seltzer might see a dip in their seltzer sales.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: pete b on April 19, 2021, 03:55:57 pm
There are some hemp farms in Massachusetts again. Last fall in the next town over two guys were caught red handed by cops with what they thought was a van full of Marijuana. The funniest part to me: they were in their forties.

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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: waterbull66 on April 19, 2021, 04:42:26 pm
   I remember the days of $6 to $10 for a four finger bag of green Mexican ditch weed, which was an appropriate price for the stuff. I'm glad that when I did partake of the left handed Lucky Strikes it was still inexpensive, at least compared to today. Two of three hours wages would buy you a lid, or a ticket to a concert where of course you really didn't need to take your own as the air in the arena would get you there.
   I quit very many years ago after it occurred to me that I might enjoy life more if I was awake enough to actually experience it. Now that I'm old[er] and more prone to waking up in the wee small hours and not able to get back to sleep, were it legal here I'd probably keep some sleepy time weed on hand just for those times.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: majorvices on April 19, 2021, 06:36:01 pm
I remember when a dime bag was a legitimate $10 worth of pot. And a nickel bag would get you and a buddy stoned .... maybe 2 or 3 times.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: denny on April 19, 2021, 07:51:50 pm
I remember when a dime bag was a legitimate $10 worth of pot. And a nickel bag would get you and a buddy stoned .... maybe 2 or 3 times.

If you can remember, it didn't happen.   ;D
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: HopDen on April 19, 2021, 07:58:39 pm
I remember when a dime bag was a legitimate $10 worth of pot. And a nickel bag would get you and a buddy stoned .... maybe 2 or 3 times.

Well since we are talking costs.... Subic Bay 1982 a bar in Olongapo City upstairs with a pool table, chairs, and ladies of the local profession on Magsaysay St. $5 for what is remembered to be about an ounce of some of the blackest bestest smoke I ever smoked. No way to risk taking back onto the ship so handed off to a mate. I could go on and on with some of the greatest memories.
Title: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on April 19, 2021, 09:26:00 pm
One of the conditions of a stroke is constricted muscles — like a constant charlie horse. So we’ve gone down to the Green Lady and tried various CB this, that, or other. Lately she’s tried Delta 8 but the jury is still out.

AL is debating the whole Med Marijuana thing now (for three years). My wife may benefit from that — we don’t know. If the legalization of homebrew is any indication it’s gonna be a while.

At least they should make it a ticketable violation vs a take everything you own and lock you up for ever BS.

Edit: my wife had a massive stroke 6 yrs ago.

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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: pete b on April 20, 2021, 11:43:11 am
I am sorry to hear about your wife’s stroke, I wasn’t aware of that. That is such a tough thing to recover from.
In Massachusetts they started with decriminalization. I believe it was in the same bill as allowing medical marijuana. The medical part took years to put in place because although the voter referendum passed, lawmakers dragged their feet with implementation. I believe the decriminilization went into effect at the beginning of the following year. I believe it was a $100 fine for possession of an ounce or less.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on April 27, 2021, 02:06:12 pm
I appreciate it. A lot of good has come from her stroke despite it sucking.  We’re in a rhythm now so we’re good.

I can see where an avid gardener would have a great time cultivating their own. Knowing a bit about it makes me realize you really gotta want to do this due to the time commitment required. I don’t see how someone who travels can have a grow unless a partner will take the responsibility.

I can definitely understand why dispensaries charge so much for such a small amount. Labor and time.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: denny on April 27, 2021, 03:01:15 pm
I appreciate it. A lot of good has come from her stroke despite it sucking.  We’re in a rhythm now so we’re good.

I can see where an avid gardener would have a great time cultivating their own. Knowing a bit about it makes me realize you really gotta want to do this due to the time commitment required. I don’t see how someone who travels can have a grow unless a partner will take the responsibility.

I can definitely understand why dispensaries charge so much for such a small amount. Labor and time.

Its really not that hard.  My plants go on at the end of May.  Other than watering, I do pretty much nothing til the end of Oct. when I harvest.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on April 27, 2021, 03:21:49 pm
I would do it like you but I see a lot of gardeners do all sorts of high and low stress training, constant defoliating and feeding, transplanting, etc... looks a lot like babysitting for months on end.



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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: denny on April 27, 2021, 03:50:53 pm
I would do it like you but I see a lot of gardeners do all sorts of high and low stress training, constant defoliating and feeding, transplanting, etc... looks a lot like babysitting for months on end.



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In that regard, it's just like homebrewing.  You can do a lot of needless things if you feel like it but you don't have to.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: pete b on April 27, 2021, 04:03:00 pm
I would do it like you but I see a lot of gardeners do all sorts of high and low stress training, constant defoliating and feeding, transplanting, etc... looks a lot like babysitting for months on end.



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I think people who are growing commercial, or just really into getting as much yield as possible, do really put a lot of time into them. We really don't do much from the time they are planted to harvest. Occassinal watering and feeding end of May through end of September, then watch daily for a couple weeks to make sure there is no mold and monitoring the color of tricombs. The only part I find time consuming is trimming.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on April 28, 2021, 02:26:11 pm
I would do it like you but I see a lot of gardeners do all sorts of high and low stress training, constant defoliating and feeding, transplanting, etc... looks a lot like babysitting for months on end.



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A lot of the same could be said just for vegetable or flower gardening. If you aren't letting plants grow free in the ground there is a lot of work to grow from seed, transplant, water, feed, trim, weed, etc. Some people take that kind of gardening extremely seriously as well but it doesn't mean you can't grow tomatoes or roses with less significant work.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Wilbur on April 28, 2021, 06:47:12 pm
I appreciate it. A lot of good has come from her stroke despite it sucking.  We’re in a rhythm now so we’re good.

I can see where an avid gardener would have a great time cultivating their own. Knowing a bit about it makes me realize you really gotta want to do this due to the time commitment required. I don’t see how someone who travels can have a grow unless a partner will take the responsibility.

I can definitely understand why dispensaries charge so much for such a small amount. Labor and time.

I thought it was more based on street price and the amount of risk and regulation involved. My (very loose) understanding is that they have to know exactly where every plant is and a lot of other strict monitoring and control of the product.
A few months ago I heard about a dispensary owner in California who's still in federal jail, despite running a state sanctioned dispensary. Banks won't touch your money either.
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on April 28, 2021, 06:51:33 pm
Probably a lot of factors. I know the local CBD place said they would not become a dispensary for med marijuana if the measure is passed due to low profit margin/high PITA factor. She didn’t go into detail but your factors sound plausible.



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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on May 17, 2021, 10:30:10 pm
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: tommymorris on May 17, 2021, 11:58:20 pm
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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“Under the legislation, patients can obtain the medical marijuana in oral tablets, topical preparations, liquid for inhalers and more. The measure does not include weed in the form of "any product administered by smoking, combustion or vaping," food products, or raw plants.”
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on May 18, 2021, 01:10:02 am
I can’t believe it even says that much!



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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: Wilbur on May 18, 2021, 02:41:44 am
Looks like you too can soon take your weed (suppository) and stick it up your butt!

Not sure why they bother with all the restrictions. Seems like it's been fine in Colorado and California and you can get anything there. Same in Illinois, but it only went into effect January 2020. One of the dispensaries by my gas station looks nicer on the outside than 90% of stores in town.

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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: erockrph on May 18, 2021, 02:45:19 am
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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“Under the legislation, patients can obtain the medical marijuana in oral tablets, topical preparations, liquid for inhalers and more. The measure does not include weed in the form of "any product administered by smoking, combustion or vaping," food products, or raw plants.”
No doubt that gummy bears are sold as oral tablets, vape juice will be sold as "liquid for inhalers", and someone will find a way to market shatter as a topical product or an oral tablet. It's a start, and enforcement will likely be minimal on the fine details.

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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: BrewBama on May 20, 2021, 08:14:23 pm
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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She also signed a bill into law that increasing the amount of beer that can be purchased directly from the brewery for off-premise consumption from 288 ounces to 864 ounces.



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Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: pete b on May 22, 2021, 02:17:12 am
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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She also signed a bill into law that increasing the amount of beer that can be purchased directly from the brewery for off-premise consumption from 288 ounces to 864 ounces.



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She also signed a law legalizing yoga instruction in public schools: https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999020140/its-now-legal-to-practice-yoga-in-alabamas-public-schools
Saying “Namaste” and meditating is still illegal.
What’s going on down there with the cannabis, yoga, and gallon jars of mayonnaise?
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: tommymorris on May 22, 2021, 08:48:52 am
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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She also signed a bill into law that increasing the amount of beer that can be purchased directly from the brewery for off-premise consumption from 288 ounces to 864 ounces.



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She also signed a law legalizing yoga instruction in public schools: https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999020140/its-now-legal-to-practice-yoga-in-alabamas-public-schools
Saying “Namaste” and meditating is still illegal.
What’s going on down there with the cannabis, yoga, and gallon jars of mayonnaise?
It’s well know in that namaste chanters are one step away from committing voter fraud. Some of those poses were designed by Hugo Chavez to train a person to sneak boxes of ballots into precincts and the non-English names of yoga poses can be used as instructions for hacking voting machines (when played backwards on a record player at 33 RPM).
Title: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: tommymorris on May 22, 2021, 08:53:43 am
Well knock me over with a feather: Grandma Ivey just signed the AL Med Marijuana bill into law today. Finally, AL isn’t last at something.



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She also signed a bill into law that increasing the amount of beer that can be purchased directly from the brewery for off-premise consumption from 288 ounces to 864 ounces.



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The weird thing is that’s 6.75 mayonnaise jars. I wonder why they didn’t go with a round number?
Title: Re: A constellation of cannabis?
Post by: ttash on May 27, 2021, 01:31:08 pm
Meanwhile, here in Idaho, the State legislature just amended the State Constitution effectively destroying any future attempts to bring forth a citizen petition or ballot measure that would permit medical cannabis, and recreational cannabis? Never in a million years. And yet the state is (mostly) surrounded by states where it's legal.
Next thing you know, Idaho will reverse it's laws on the legal production of homebrew.
Ugh!