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Title: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: trapae on November 08, 2017, 10:48:52 PM
 I have never made a black IPA, but will be brewing one soon. I was going to do something close to the Wookie Jack clone which uses Citra and Amarillo.  I wanted to try whirlpool and dry hopping with cryo-hops however and can’t find Amarillo Cryo Hops, so I want to to substitute Mosaic. Does anyone have an opinion on using Citra with mosaic in this type of beer? Or would it be to tropical citrus? Thanks.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: ethinson on November 09, 2017, 05:43:56 AM
Amarillo is kinda citrusy as well, so I don't think it would be a big difference, especially if that's what you're going for.  It sounds good to me! I love citrusy hops.  I make a black IPA with a mix of Cascade and Mosaic.  I don't mind a little bit of piney, but I like to cut it with the citrus, but that's a personal taste. 

Do you have any hops in there other than the Cryo? The reason I ask is I just made a pale ale with a small amount of Magnum in the boil and then a bunch of Cryo hop (Citra in fact) at flameout, but to my taste it didn't end up bitter enough, it wasn't very balanced.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: dmtaylor on November 09, 2017, 05:48:26 AM
Whatever floats your boat.  A better substitution for Amarillo in my opinion would be Cascade, maybe with a little Warrior too like 2:1 Cascade:Warrior.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 09, 2017, 06:10:51 AM
Stan Hieronymus has been quoting 5 parts Cascade and one part Lemon Drop give you the attributes of Amarillo.  You can probably find Cryogenic Cascade, but probably not lemon drop.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: trapae on November 09, 2017, 08:18:03 AM
 Maybe I will use cascade instead of Amarillo. They do make both Citra and cascade cryo hops. It’s funny I’ve tried wookiejack and loved it but wouldn’t have guessed Citra was in there. I guess the dark moss hide that intense tropical taste for me.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: Richard on November 09, 2017, 10:42:19 PM
If the dark moss hides the tropical taste, then perhaps tropical is not the way to go. I am planning a black IPA next week and have chosen hops to stay away from tropical or citrus flavors, and am going for earthy, piney and dank flavors instead because I think they will work better with the dark roasted flavors. I love Citra but am going with Columbus, Simcoe and Chinook on this one.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: Andy Farke on November 15, 2017, 10:50:57 PM
If the dark moss hides the tropical taste, then perhaps tropical is not the way to go. I am planning a black IPA next week and have chosen hops to stay away from tropical or citrus flavors, and am going for earthy, piney and dank flavors instead because I think they will work better with the dark roasted flavors. I love Citra but am going with Columbus, Simcoe and Chinook on this one.

I did a black IPA last year, and went for earthy/piney/dank (Chinook, Galena, and Cascade)--it definitely played better with the dark malts. I fear that the super fruity/citrusy hops (such as Citra or Mosaic) would just clash with the rest of the beer.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 16, 2017, 05:14:41 AM
If the dark moss hides the tropical taste, then perhaps tropical is not the way to go. I am planning a black IPA next week and have chosen hops to stay away from tropical or citrus flavors, and am going for earthy, piney and dank flavors instead because I think they will work better with the dark roasted flavors. I love Citra but am going with Columbus, Simcoe and Chinook on this one.

I did a black IPA last year, and went for earthy/piney/dank (Chinook, Galena, and Cascade)--it definitely played better with the dark malts. I fear that the super fruity/citrusy hops (such as Citra or Mosaic) would just clash with the rest of the beer.


I like the piney dank hops in a black IPA best as well.
Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: skyler on November 16, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
For my money, cascade + simcoe  (1-1) or cascade + simcoe + citra (2-2-1) pairs well with a subtly roasty black IPA. The dark malt does seem to alter the character or perception of hop aromas, imo. What was "fruity" may seem "herbal," but in a good way.


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Title: Re: Black IPA, Citra and Mosaic?
Post by: trapae on November 16, 2017, 12:15:29 PM
 When I started thinking about making a black IPA, I also thought herbal or Piney would taste best. But after I found out that wookiee Jack was citra and Amarillo, I was surprised because I didn’t taste that in it but it tasted great. The dark malt I guess definitely changes the flavors.