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Title: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: chrisinestes on August 03, 2010, 03:10:40 PM
I was thinking about putting a cigar in the secondary of a RIS, or some other 10-14% ABV ale. I don't want a nicotine beer, just the flavor from some mellow tobacco. good idea? Bad idea? Any thoughts on this?

Thanks!
Chris in Estes Park, CO
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: denny on August 03, 2010, 03:27:07 PM
Personally, I'd say disgusting....sorry, but you asked!
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: bonjour on August 03, 2010, 03:51:17 PM
Personally, I'd say disgusting....sorry, but you asked!
+1
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: a10t2 on August 03, 2010, 04:16:54 PM
Try a fair amount (maybe 5%) of extra dark English crystal malt, it's usually ~160°L. In addition to all the dark fruitiness it has a definite leather/tobacco flavor, IMHO.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 03, 2010, 04:18:07 PM
Nicotine is toxic when ingested.  Bad idea.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: chrisinestes on August 03, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Toxic, eh? okay.. no tobacco in the brew. Dark crystal it is!

Thanks!
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: abraxas on August 03, 2010, 06:26:01 PM
I'd set aside a gallon and add just a little unflavored loose pipe tobacco.  Sample every few days for a few weeks, then add more once it stabilizes.

I imagine too much won't be good but a little might add a nice raisin/spice/leather.  My experiences would suggest more dirt, earth and an unpleasant sharpness.

Also, don't be afraid to make a little tea.  I learned a lot about oaking making hot water teas then cold diluted vodka teas left for longer periods of time.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: abraxas on August 03, 2010, 06:36:43 PM
Nicotine is toxic when ingested.

So is nutmeg at the right dose..
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: denny on August 03, 2010, 06:53:42 PM
Nicotine is toxic when ingested.

So is nutmeg at the right dose..

Well, so is water....
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: abraxas on August 03, 2010, 07:09:35 PM
Well, so is water....

Indeed.  Point being that a small amount of tobacco as a spice isn't going to be bad.  Three cartons of Newport 100's dissolved in a gallon of beer might not be so good.

I've heard of some chef's experimenting with tobacco spicing (both fresh and cured), I'd imagine if it had much promise it would have caught on.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: bfogt on August 04, 2010, 02:29:20 PM
I'd set aside a gallon and add just a little unflavored loose pipe tobacco.

+1  Cigar filler tobacco isn't very nice. 

Maybe an aged Virginia like McClelland's No 27.  If you go that route, let it air out a bit first.  It smells like ketchup when you first open the tin.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 05, 2010, 06:51:08 PM
Nicotine is toxic when ingested.

So is nutmeg at the right dose..

Have you ever had a beer brewed with tobacco?  I have, and was woozy for a while.  No thanks to this idea.

Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: denny on August 05, 2010, 06:54:43 PM
Nicotine is toxic when ingested.

So is nutmeg at the right dose..

Have you ever had a beer brewed with tobacco?  I have, and was woozy for a while.  No thanks to this idea.



The voice of experience!
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: tom on August 05, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
I judged one at a homebrew competition - it wasn't my cup of tea.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: majorvices on August 07, 2010, 12:04:44 PM
Just take a big ol' chaw and spit in the secondary for a half hour.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: capozzoli on August 07, 2010, 01:35:18 PM
In some Arab countries there are some rare food recipes that include tobacco.

I was at the Chinese grocery store when I saw a bag of "cooking" tobacco. Always wondered if it was for adding or smoking meat or something.

....but....yuck.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: beerocd on August 07, 2010, 02:11:14 PM
Just take a big ol' chaw and spit in the secondary for a half hour.

You know, I had a manager who used to do Copenhagen. Monster pinch between the cheek and gums - never spit, actually would swig on a 2 liter of diet coke all night. He did about a tin daily. So probably not gonna kill ya, but may make the non tobacco users temporarily nauseous - or puke.

Here's the only beer I could find with tobacco - a Porter.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.birradelborgo.it/prodotti.php%3Fid%3D19&ei=3mhdTJ_kC4WClAfLmdWZCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCYQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKe%2BTo%2BRe%2BPorter%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DNQ5%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.birradelborgo.it/prodotti.php%3Fid%3D19&ei=3mhdTJ_kC4WClAfLmdWZCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCYQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DKe%2BTo%2BRe%2BPorter%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DNQ5%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official)
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on August 07, 2010, 04:45:36 PM
I have a recipe for Brew Dog's How to Disappear Completely from a Brewing Network interview that has an aroma that reminds me of pipe tobacco.  I can't decide if it's the malt or the blend of hops.  Here is a link to the recipe.  http://homebrewer2005.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-disappear-competely-brew-day.html (http://homebrewer2005.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-disappear-competely-brew-day.html)
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: dean on August 08, 2010, 05:17:22 PM
Just take a big ol' chaw and spit in the secondary for a half hour.

 :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: 1vertical on August 11, 2010, 05:10:30 AM
Where is tubercle when ya need him?
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: astrivian on September 08, 2010, 02:49:55 AM
I'd set aside a gallon and add just a little unflavored loose pipe tobacco.  Sample every few days for a few weeks, then add more once it stabilizes.

+1

I have thought about trying this myself. I think a tiny bit of pipe tobacco would be the way to go as well and brewing a 1 gallon test batch. That way if it tastes like complete ass you can just dump it (i have had to do this several times with my more experimental beers).  I could see tobacco being good in the background flavors of the beer, but not a leading character. Maybe start with 1/2 or even 1/4 of a gram in one gallon, swish and let it sit for a week or so, strain the tobacco out, then give it a taste. If you think it could use more, add another 1/2 gram or so and repeat. I would think that with this method you would have less risk of adding far too much and having the beer be gross, or worse, be toxic.

Personally, i think if 12oz of this beer makes you woozy then there is way too much tobacco in it. Again, i could see a mild tobacco flavor being welcome in a darker beer (like the porter mentioned). If you give this a try let us know how it turned out.
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: tubercle on September 08, 2010, 03:31:45 AM
Where is tubercle when ya need him?

  AAACCCCKKKKKK PPAAATTTOOIIIEEE.


 I recommend against this. But, If you have already done it, you can off set it with a double hand full of pine needles. Pine needles neutralizes tobacco. Matter of fact, pine needles neutralizes malt and hops too!
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: 1vertical on September 08, 2010, 03:42:01 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D  rolf
Title: Re: I'm thinking about a tobacco RIS... any thoughts?
Post by: dzlater on September 08, 2010, 11:22:21 AM
How about smoking some malt with an aromatic pipe blend?
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