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Title: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 04:25:05 AM
So I went through my freezer and found a ton of unopened pellets that are getting close to the end of being useful anymore. Well, I just so happen to be brewing an IPA this weekend and thought, “why not add all this to it so it doesn’t go to waste?”

This is what I came up with to make sure they all get used. Please let me know if any suggestions or ideas you may have!  I’d like it to stay a bit higher in IBUs with an interesting and different aroma and flavor spread.

60 minute boil

60 mins:
Chinook (2 oz.)
Apollo (1 oz.)

20mins:
Sorachi Ace (1 oz.)

10 mins:
Chinook (1 oz.)

1 mins:
Lemondrop (1 oz.)

Dry hop 5 days:
Chinook (1 oz.)
Lemondrop (1 oz.)
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 18, 2018, 05:05:06 AM
That has a bunch of bitting hops. I’m away from my software, but I would just use the Apollo at 60, move the Chinook to 0 or dry.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: Wilbur on January 18, 2018, 05:05:18 AM
I'm a big Whirlpool doubter... But I feel like you'd be happier using most of those in dry hop and whirl pool. I'd shoot for 20-30 IBU at 30 or 60, and the rest really late. I've been doing this recently and it's incredible. Alternative? Ship them to me.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 12:01:15 PM
Okay, so I’ve revised my plan based on the responses so far. My only question is will the 1 oz: of Apollo at 60 mins make it nice and bitter?  I’d like to go for a nice bitter pacific feel.

60 mins:
Apollo (1 oz)

10 mins
Sorachi Ace (1 oz)

5 mins
Chinook (1 oz)

1 min
Lemondrop (1 oz)

Dry hop at 5 days
Chinook (2 oz)
Lemondrop (1 oz)

Let me know is this seems more in line.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: dmtaylor on January 18, 2018, 12:10:34 PM
The Sorachi Ace will overpower the other hops.  Maybe take SA down to just 0.5 oz.  However if you love SA as I do, the full ounce is good.

I agree with moving some of the Chinook from boil to dry hop, that's a good idea.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 12:15:05 PM
What if I up the chinook by an ounce at 5 mins to offset the effect of the sorachi?  Or maybe swap the chinook and sorachi flavor additions, making chinook at 10 mins and sorachi at 5?
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: dmtaylor on January 18, 2018, 02:05:36 PM
What if I up the chinook by an ounce at 5 mins to offset the effect of the sorachi?  Or maybe swap the chinook and sorachi flavor additions, making chinook at 10 mins and sorachi at 5?

Naw..... either reduce the amount of Sorachi, or don't.  I understand you are trying to use full packets, so if that is more important to you than beer flavor, then use the whole pack.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 02:08:59 PM
I love Sorachi, so i'll leave the whole thing in!  Thank you for the advice!
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 02:15:08 PM
Would I be bittering too much for the style to take 1 oz chinook from the dry hop and add it to the 60 min boil add?
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: dmtaylor on January 18, 2018, 02:56:44 PM
Would I be bittering too much for the style to take 1 oz chinook from the dry hop and add it to the 60 min boil add?

The maximum IBUs any beer can have is about 80-90.  I haven't run all the math but I believe it won't matter if you put more at 60 minutes because I think you already hit the max possible.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 03:02:44 PM
Hahaha, awesome!  Well then, i will leave it as is.  Very excited for this "catastrophe" IPA.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: goschman on January 18, 2018, 03:42:57 PM
This is what I would do based on trying to use all the hops from your first rendition. Just another opinion...

60 mins:
Apollo (1 oz)

1 min:
Chinook (3 oz)

Dry Hop:
Chinook (1 oz)
Lemon Drop (2 oz)
Sorachi (1 oz)
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 04:25:46 PM
This is what I would do based on trying to use all the hops from your first rendition. Just another opinion...

60 mins:
Apollo (1 oz)

1 min:
Chinook (3 oz)

Dry Hop:
Chinook (1 oz)
Lemon Drop (2 oz)
Sorachi (1 oz)

Will this likely provide a high bitterness in the finished product?  That's my only concern.  Because looking at this, im very tempted to go with it.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: goschman on January 18, 2018, 04:43:29 PM
This is what I would do based on trying to use all the hops from your first rendition. Just another opinion...

60 mins:
Apollo (1 oz)

1 min:
Chinook (3 oz)

Dry Hop:
Chinook (1 oz)
Lemon Drop (2 oz)
Sorachi (1 oz)

Will this likely provide a high bitterness in the finished product?  That's my only concern.  Because looking at this, im very tempted to go with it.

I guess it depends on what the AA content of your Apollo hops are and what you consider high bitterness. I could see throwing in an additional 1/2-1 oz of bittering hops if you want it very bitter... 
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 18, 2018, 05:19:47 PM
This is what I would do based on trying to use all the hops from your first rendition. Just another opinion...

60 mins:
Apollo (1 oz)

1 min:
Chinook (3 oz)

Dry Hop:
Chinook (1 oz)
Lemon Drop (2 oz)
Sorachi (1 oz)

Will this likely provide a high bitterness in the finished product?  That's my only concern.  Because looking at this, im very tempted to go with it.

I guess it depends on what the AA content of your Apollo hops are and what you consider high bitterness. I could see throwing in an additional 1/2-1 oz of bittering hops if you want it very bitter...

Well, the Apollo I have is at an 18.5% AA, so they'll be pretty bitter.  I'd like to match the bitterness of a west coast style IPA, but don't want to go too over the top.  It will be me and a couple friends who like bitter IPA drinking it, but I don't want their heart to stop.  Lol. 
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: klickitat jim on January 18, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
Batch size is being assumed... I assume
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 19, 2018, 02:13:36 AM
Batch size is being assumed... I assume
2.5 boil. 5 gallon final
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: klickitat jim on January 19, 2018, 03:00:24 AM
Ok, so it won't be as bitter as folks were assuming because your boil gravity will be quite high.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 19, 2018, 12:37:48 PM
Ok, so it won't be as bitter as folks were assuming because your boil gravity will be quite high.

Yeah. Using the brewersfriend IBU calculator I end up somewhere around 60-65 with a boil gravity of 1.106. I’m just back to home brewing after almost twelve years and I wasn’t that advanced before.  However, now that I have patience and am older wth children, I am taking the time to really understand concepts. Lol.

But this is still one area that I’m having a hard time grasping. So my target OG was 1.053. With this boil gravity, will it ruin my final product (granted everything is done properly)?  Will it result in wonky ABV?
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: klickitat jim on January 19, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
Nope, not ruined.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: Uvolnit on January 26, 2018, 05:40:18 AM
My 2 cents is that I used Lemon Drop once and figured it'd give a noticeable lemon flavor but did not, was rather earthy and grassy so I was disappointed. 
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on January 26, 2018, 02:42:53 PM
My 2 cents is that I used Lemon Drop once and figured it'd give a noticeable lemon flavor but did not, was rather earthy and grassy so I was disappointed.

I do enjoy the earthy notes, but I’m really hoping for a bit of citrus. I’m including some dried tangerine peel to the dryhop as well with the hopes of some additional orangey notes. But who knows. I won’t be disappointed if it’s earthy. I dug even deeper into my fridge and found another pack of hops too, so the dryhop is now going to be:

2 oz. Lemondrop
1 oz. El Dorado
1 oz. Soirachi Ace
1 oz. Dried Tangerine Peel

My real question now is how long to dryhop for. I’ve settled on 5 day then bottling, but I’d be open to any suggestions you might have.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: Uvolnit on February 12, 2018, 06:26:52 AM
My 2 cents is that I used Lemon Drop in the recent past with the hopes of serious lemon flavor but did not get it as someone previously mentioned.  It ended up having a more earthy taste than expected and no citrus flavors.  I don't have experience with El Dorado or Soirachi Ace but do know that they give some good citrus and floral flavors so wouldn't be disappointed using them with dry hops like your recipe.  I have yet to use tangerine peel in dry hop so that could add some good, missing hop flavors as well.
As far as the time for dry hopping, I've done some research and it seems to be best at 2-7 days, no longer.  I've always done 7 days and have been happy with the aroma.
I'm curious to hear your results.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: CranjisMcBasketball on February 18, 2018, 04:09:36 AM
My 2 cents is that I used Lemon Drop in the recent past with the hopes of serious lemon flavor but did not get it as someone previously mentioned.  It ended up having a more earthy taste than expected and no citrus flavors.  I don't have experience with El Dorado or Soirachi Ace but do know that they give some good citrus and floral flavors so wouldn't be disappointed using them with dry hops like your recipe.  I have yet to use tangerine peel in dry hop so that could add some good, missing hop flavors as well.
As far as the time for dry hopping, I've done some research and it seems to be best at 2-7 days, no longer.  I've always done 7 days and have been happy with the aroma.
I'm curious to hear your results.

Just bottled today. Aroma is phenomenal. Has a strange flavor (very peppery) that will probably mature during conditioning. Will be trying again in two weeks, so i’ll give an updated report then.
Title: Re: Is this overboard??? IPA hop schedule.
Post by: clef051 on March 14, 2018, 10:58:29 AM
That has a bunch of bitting hops. I’m away from my software, but I would just use the Apollo at 60, move the Chinook to 0 or dry.
I was thinking the same thing