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Title: Legal hop limits
Post by: yso191 on April 01, 2018, 11:33:46 PM
http://www.newschoolbeer.com/2018/04/oregon-legislature-restricts-hop-usage.html
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: Robert on April 01, 2018, 11:58:47 PM
If they'd made it California, they almost would have had me!
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: Bob357 on April 02, 2018, 12:55:27 AM
Sounds like the extraordinarily active brain cells of California are migrating northward. Pretty soon Oregon will be determining that everything is known to them to cause cancer too.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: hackrsackr on April 02, 2018, 04:09:25 AM
I wonder if there is a separate metric for determining the leaf hop equivalent of cryo pellets vs regular pellets.


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Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: Robert on April 02, 2018, 04:36:35 AM
I wonder if there is a separate metric for determining the leaf hop equivalent of cryo pellets vs regular pellets.


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Ok it's April 2, so just chillax and stop overthinking this now.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: klickitat jim on April 02, 2018, 05:17:16 AM
Still a couple hrs to go on yakima time
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: Wilbur on April 03, 2018, 03:34:49 PM
Side effects of high hopping rates include: Loss of taste, handlebar mustaches, skinny jeans, the urge to play the ukelele. If not quarantined, high hopping in beer can infect other kegs, transforming an entire bars drafts into IPAs. In rare cases, entire breweries can be affecting, turning pale ales into session IPAs and pilsners into IPLs. At least one Oregonian brewer found his lineup included: an IPA, a session IPA, an IPL, a Red IPA, an IPL, a Belgian IPA, a sour IPA, and a Saison.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: yso191 on April 03, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Side effects of high hopping rates include: Loss of taste, handlebar mustaches, skinny jeans, the urge to play the ukelele. If not quarantined, high hopping in beer can infect other kegs, transforming an entire bars drafts into IPAs. In rare cases, entire breweries can be affecting, turning pale ales into session IPAs and pilsners into IPLs. At least one Oregonian brewer found his lineup included: an IPA, a session IPA, an IPL, a Red IPA, an IPL, a Belgian IPA, a sour IPA, and a Saison.

Wait right there!  I love high hopping rates, and I would NEVER be caught in skinny jeans (this for your sake as well as mine).
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 04, 2018, 09:40:13 PM
Finally a beer law I can agree with....
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: tommymorris on April 04, 2018, 11:14:23 PM
April Fools!
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 05, 2018, 02:25:50 AM
April Fools!

Duh!

We all need some humor.  Thankfully this is still a hobby for most of us!
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: tommymorris on April 05, 2018, 03:59:52 AM
April Fools!

Duh!

We all need some humor.  Thankfully this is still a hobby for most of us!
I didn’t mean that negatively.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 05, 2018, 10:09:27 AM
I knew it was a joke.

Do you know there are legal limits for the low end of hopping? The TTB says it should be no less than 7.5 lbs for 100 bbls. Nothing on AA of the hops is specified.

Edit - for those that have not seen this, it is in here.
https://www.ttb.gov/rulings/2008-3.pdf
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: Robert on April 05, 2018, 11:34:57 AM
The fact that hops are legally required to make "beer" has caused some problems.  Those attempting to recreate historical ales (Egyptian, Medieval, non-European, etc) that contained no hops have been constrained to find a way to include them by virtue of their being licensed to make "beer" as defined by statute.  There's been some news coverage of this over the years, Dogfish comes to mind as one of the "victims."  (Yet brewers can make "malternatives.") There  must be mountains more of regulations than hinted at by the link  above!

(The ruling in the link seems to counterintutively flip the usage of "beer" and "malt beverage," so my usage may be off, but wow this is complicated....)
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 05, 2018, 02:34:22 PM
The fact that hops are legally required to make "beer" has caused some problems.  Those attempting to recreate historical ales (Egyptian, Medieval, non-European, etc) that contained no hops have been constrained to find a way to include them by virtue of their being licensed to make "beer" as defined by statute.  There's been some news coverage of this over the years, Dogfish comes to mind as one of the "victims."  (Yet brewers can make "malternatives.") There  must be mountains more of regulations than hinted at by the link  above!

(The ruling in the link seems to counterintutively flip the usage of "beer" and "malt beverage," so my usage may be off, but wow this is complicated....)
One trick that is legal is to take the boil hops used in a batch of beer, strain them, and then those are added to the matter native beverage. Got that from a brewer. It doesn’t say anything about AA or other qualities.

The recipes in Dr. Patrick McGovern’s book “Ancient Ales” have a small charge of hops. IIRC those use 0.25 oz per 5 gallons, which is more than the TTB lower limit of ~0.1935 oz per 5 gallons. I had suspicions that is why that small amount of hops were there, my calculation just now backed that up.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 05, 2018, 05:48:39 PM
April Fools!

Duh!

We all need some humor.  Thankfully this is still a hobby for most of us!
I didn’t mean that negatively.

I didn't take any offense, but I get it that exclamation points mean screaming out loud when used in forum context - my bad.  We are all good, I hope.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: tommymorris on April 05, 2018, 06:03:00 PM
April Fools!

Duh!

We all need some humor.  Thankfully this is still a hobby for most of us!
I didn’t mean that negatively.

I didn't take any offense, but I get it that exclamation points mean screaming out loud when used in forum context - my bad.  We are all good, I hope.
Of course. No worries. I guess I need to be careful with exclamation points. I use them all the time in emails to staff with a positive intent. Hopefully, they take my exclamations positively.
Title: Re: Legal hop limits
Post by: klickitat jim on April 05, 2018, 08:17:25 PM
April Fools!

Duh!

We all need some humor.  Thankfully this is still a hobby for most of us!
I didn’t mean that negatively.

I didn't take any offense, but I get it that exclamation points mean screaming out loud when used in forum context - my bad.  We are all good, I hope.
Of course. No worries. I guess I need to be careful with exclamation points. I use them all the time in emails to staff with a positive intent. Hopefully, they take my exclamations positively.
Yes, there's a big difference between

You are fired! and You are fired ;-)