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Title: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 04, 2018, 08:26:09 PM
I don't know if if it's temperature related or not but I cannot get the yeast character I want from the kolsch yeasts I have tried. Anyone have any recommendations on something that gives that slightly fruity with a touch a sulphur? I have been using Imperial G03 which apparently is the same as WLP029. It's a good yeast but just too clean. Maybe I need to go back to WY2565 but I remember not being too crazy about that one as well. 
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: denny on May 04, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
IMO, 2565 is the only kolsch yeast that give the results I want.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Stevie on May 04, 2018, 09:12:22 PM
K-97 is available in homebrew sachets now. I don’t know it’s source.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 04, 2018, 09:16:40 PM
K-97 is available in homebrew sachets now. I don’t know it’s source.

Not a fan of K97. I used it quite a while for a lot of different styles and it usually attributed an unwanted tartness. I personally found that it worked well in something like an american wheat but not much else.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 04, 2018, 09:17:57 PM
IMO, 2565 is the only kolsch yeast that give the results I want.

Very helpful! What others have you used?

I am really interested in trying the few that Inland Island offers. They are located here in denver so maybe you can't or haven't tried them.

https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-572-golden-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-571-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-573-german-hybrid-ale/

Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: denny on May 04, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
IMO, 2565 is the only kolsch yeast that give the results I want.

Very helpful! What others have you used?

I am really interested in trying the few that Inland Island offers. They are located here in denver so maybe you can't or haven't tried them.

https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-572-golden-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-571-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-573-german-hybrid-ale/

Truthfully, not a lot.  It's been so long I can't recall and my notes aren't at hand.  I just recall thinking that 2565 made a kolsch that tasted like the few commercial ones I'd had.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: BrewBama on May 04, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
Kölsch is an interesting style. It’s kinda a lager and kinda an Ale. It has a bit of acidulated malt so there’s a hint of lemon-ish tart (but just a suggestive hint) and a slight mineral component from the Köln water. The yeast is an anomaly in itself and 2565 is spot on. Of course this is all my opinion and YMMV. I’d like to try Omega’s and Imperial’s offerings.


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: brewinhard on May 04, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
IMO, 2565 is the only kolsch yeast that give the results I want.

Very helpful! What others have you used?

I am really interested in trying the few that Inland Island offers. They are located here in denver so maybe you can't or haven't tried them.

https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-572-golden-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-571-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-573-german-hybrid-ale/

Truthfully, not a lot.  It's been so long I can't recall and my notes aren't at hand.  I just recall thinking that 2565 made a kolsch that tasted like the few commercial ones I'd had.

Agreed.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: dmtaylor on May 05, 2018, 12:21:06 AM
Evaluation by experts of the recent yeast genome study suggests that WLP029 *might* belong on the English part of the tree next to WLP002.  Click the following link, zoom way into the pink section at about the 11:00 mark, and look for "beer094".  If qq's guess is correct, WLP029 might be predecessor to WLP002.  So, maybe try something English?  Ferment cold, 60 F or so.  It almost kind of makes sense when you think about it.

http://beer.suregork.com/?p=4000

EDIT: Looking more deeply into this, I'm now hypothesizing that *maybe* WB-06 is a cousin of WLP003 German Ale II, and both might be decendants of 2565, if my guess is correct that "beer008" is 2565.  Hmm...

More craziness to follow in the next few days, weeks, months, years.

Cheers.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 05, 2018, 03:02:23 AM
Evaluation by experts of the recent yeast genome study suggests that WLP029 *might* belong on the English part of the tree next to WLP002.  Click the following link, zoom way into the pink section at about the 11:00 mark, and look for "beer094".  If qq's guess is correct, WLP029 might be predecessor to WLP002.  So, maybe try something English?  Ferment cold, 60 F or so.  It almost kind of makes sense when you think about it.

http://beer.suregork.com/?p=4000

EDIT: Looking more deeply into this, I'm now hypothesizing that *maybe* WB-06 is a cousin of WLP003 German Ale II, and both might be decendants of 2565, if my guess is correct that "beer008" is 2565.  Hmm...

More craziness to follow in the next few days, weeks, months, years.

Cheers.

Sounds strange. Haha! Positive wb-06 won’t do it and not very confident about wlp002
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 05, 2018, 02:15:40 PM
I've had great luck with  both WLP029 and WY2565. The former takes a little more effort to clear though gelatin has done the trick. It is also a bit finicky and occasionally stalls if you don't ramp the temp. 029 seems to have more chardonnay and "white grape" character. Very crisp and clean.

For the last 7 or 8 years I have only brewed with the WY2565 strain mostly because thats where I get most of my yeast from. It's maybe a little easier to clear and seems to be a stronger fermenter (I've never had it stall even if I forgot to raise temp). I get more pear and apple in addition to the chardonnay with this strain if the fermentations are handled right.

For both strains I start of fermentation at 58 degree then ramp into the high 60s after 72 hours. You definitely need to play with pitching rates to get the ester profile you want.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 05, 2018, 02:17:13 PM
Evaluation by experts of the recent yeast genome study suggests that WLP029 *might* belong on the English part of the tree next to WLP002.

That would be awfully strange to me seeing as WLP002 is a high flocking yeast and WLP029 is a very powdery strain.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 05, 2018, 04:09:40 PM
Back to the drawing board I suppose. There must be something wrong with my recipe or process since I don’t get the results I want. They had a great kolsch at a local brewery that had just what I wanted. I asked the brewer which yeast he uses and he told me ‘kolsch’ yeast.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 05, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
Back to the drawing board I suppose. There must be something wrong with my recipe or process since I don’t get the results I want. They had a great kolsch at a local brewery that had just what I wanted. I asked the brewer which yeast he uses and he told me ‘kolsch’ yeast.

What's your process and recipe?
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Nathan on May 05, 2018, 10:01:05 PM
I don't know if if it's temperature related or not but I cannot get the yeast character I want from the kolsch yeasts I have tried. Anyone have any recommendations on something that gives that slightly fruity with a touch a sulphur? I have been using Imperial G03 which apparently is the same as WLP029. It's a good yeast but just too clean. Maybe I need to go back to WY2565 but I remember not being too crazy about that one as well.
What is your secondary fermentation’s temp?


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 05, 2018, 10:05:25 PM
I don't know if if it's temperature related or not but I cannot get the yeast character I want from the kolsch yeasts I have tried. Anyone have any recommendations on something that gives that slightly fruity with a touch a sulphur? I have been using Imperial G03 which apparently is the same as WLP029. It's a good yeast but just too clean. Maybe I need to go back to WY2565 but I remember not being too crazy about that one as well.
What is your secondary fermentation’s temp?


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There is no need for a secondary. Just cold crash for 2 weeks when fermentation is over.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: coolman26 on May 06, 2018, 02:31:43 AM
I've had great luck with  both WLP029 and WY2565. The former takes a little more effort to clear though gelatin has done the trick. It is also a bit finicky and occasionally stalls if you don't ramp the temp. 029 seems to have more chardonnay and "white grape" character. Very crisp and clean.

For the last 7 or 8 years I have only brewed with the WY2565 strain mostly because thats where I get most of my yeast from. It's maybe a little easier to clear and seems to be a stronger fermenter (I've never had it stall even if I forgot to raise temp). I get more pear and apple in addition to the chardonnay with this strain if the fermentations are handled right.

For both strains I start of fermentation at 58 degree then ramp into the high 60s after 72 hours. You definitely need to play with pitching rates to get the ester profile you want.
Kieth,
I’ve always thought 029 cleared better for me, and 2565 always was more wine like. 
Funny! Perceptions
I haven’t used either since I came across Giga Yeast 021. It clears and the flavor profile is in the middle.


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 06, 2018, 12:45:48 PM
I've had great luck with  both WLP029 and WY2565. The former takes a little more effort to clear though gelatin has done the trick. It is also a bit finicky and occasionally stalls if you don't ramp the temp. 029 seems to have more chardonnay and "white grape" character. Very crisp and clean.

For the last 7 or 8 years I have only brewed with the WY2565 strain mostly because thats where I get most of my yeast from. It's maybe a little easier to clear and seems to be a stronger fermenter (I've never had it stall even if I forgot to raise temp). I get more pear and apple in addition to the chardonnay with this strain if the fermentations are handled right.

For both strains I start of fermentation at 58 degree then ramp into the high 60s after 72 hours. You definitely need to play with pitching rates to get the ester profile you want.
Kieth,
I’ve always thought 029 cleared better for me, and 2565 always was more wine like. 
Funny! Perceptions
I haven’t used either since I came across Giga Yeast 021. It clears and the flavor profile is in the middle.


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I may have those reversed as far as "clearing" goes. It's been so long since I have used WLP029. I've given lots of advice on kolsch over the years maybe I need to go look myself up! lol

I think they are both "wine like" if handled right, I think I get more pear and apple in addition to wine-like chardonnay character.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: dmtaylor on May 06, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 07, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
Back to the drawing board I suppose. There must be something wrong with my recipe or process since I don’t get the results I want. They had a great kolsch at a local brewery that had just what I wanted. I asked the brewer which yeast he uses and he told me ‘kolsch’ yeast.

What's your process and recipe?

85% pilsner
10% vienna
5% wheat
1.047

FWH magnum/spalt
1/2 oz mittelfruh @ 20 minutes
~20 IBU

yellow balanced water
mash pH 5.3
single infusion mash @ 150F

Normally I ferment close to 60F but I have been pushing G03 into upper 60s in attempt to get more character out of it.

It sounds like I just need to give 2565 another chance.

Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 07, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
The brewery was nice enough to provide me their strain and fermentation profile. He says they use W-177 which he believes is the same as WY2565. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: coolman26 on May 09, 2018, 03:11:32 AM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 09, 2018, 03:20:51 AM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Yeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain.

Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Robert on May 09, 2018, 03:25:35 AM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Yeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain.

Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?
Have you been watching this topic?
https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31732.0
It seems nobody can confirm any such thing.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 09, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Yeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain.

Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?
Have you been watching this topic?
https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31732.0
It seems nobody can confirm any such thing.

Ok. So I guess no one knows which yeast is which anymore. Apparently there are no alternatives to WLP029 or WY2565.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: dmtaylor on May 09, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Ok. So I guess no one knows which yeast is which anymore. Apparently there are no alternatives to WLP029 or WY2565.

Okay, I'll get slightly ranty...

I haven't tried anything else (yet) for a Kolsch.  There are like 100 other beer styles out there.  Kolsch is good but I only brew it every 5 or 6 years.  I have used Kolsch yeasts for other things, but more out of convenience than for the great character attributed to them (at least 2565).  If I've got it, I'll use it for anything.  Right now I don't have any and have no plans to buy any.  I have not explored yeasts from many other manufacturers yet.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 09, 2018, 02:09:21 PM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Yeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain.

Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?

No verification but when I talked to them they said it was from that strain.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 09, 2018, 02:22:54 PM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Yeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain.

Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?

No verification but when I talked to them they said it was from that strain.

Thank you. The local brewery with the Kolsch that blew me away gave me their complete fermentation profile. I will just have to give 2565 another shot with the information they provided me.

Sorry for such a repetitive post. I just thought there were more alternatives available.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 09, 2018, 03:10:45 PM
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear.  WLP029 doesn't have that problem.  But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch.  WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast.  I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt.


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Yeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain.

Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?

No verification but when I talked to them they said it was from that strain.

Thank you. The local brewery with the Kolsch that blew me away gave me their complete fermentation profile. I will just have to give 2565 another shot with the information they provided me.

Sorry for such a repetitive post. I just thought there were more alternatives available.

The kolsch book by Warner in the Brewer's Publications series is a bit old, but still has excellent information. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: pkrone on May 09, 2018, 08:59:26 PM
I brewed a kolsch in March.  5 gallons got K97, the other 5 got 2565.  (I like doing direct comparisons.)   I tapped the K97 the other day.  It's very good with nice character but slow to clear, even with a floating dip tube.   Hopefully I'll have a spot for the 2565 keg this weekend to compare.   Stand by...
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Frankenbrew on May 10, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
Looking forward to hearing the comparison.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: coolman26 on May 10, 2018, 04:24:49 AM
Still my favorite Kolsch yeast is Giga 021. I brew Kolsch frequently when I’m brewing. Not sure where or what strain it is, but it is what I now use.


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: majorvices on May 10, 2018, 11:59:19 AM
I love it when people say "that kolsch strain is too clean almost pilsner like" .... because when in Cologne that's usually what you are going to find. These aren't ester filled beers. They are clean, crisp and quaffable. I do admit to trying to squeeze out a little more chardonnay character out of my kolsch but in Cologne much of the beers are very, very clean with only a  little ester presence.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: coolman26 on May 10, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
I love it when people say "that kolsch strain is too clean almost pilsner like" .... because when in Cologne that's usually what you are going to find. These aren't ester filled beers. They are clean, crisp and quaffable. I do admit to trying to squeeze out a little more chardonnay character out of my kolsch but in Cologne much of the beers are very, very clean with only a  little ester presence.
Interesting, I’ve never been there to have that first hand experience. I didn’t know that. I guess I always try for that vinous character. Thanks


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: JT on May 11, 2018, 12:21:02 AM
My 2 cents:
Keep the recipe simple (have you tried 100% pilsner malt?).  Avoid late hops (read: first wort only).  IMO correct water is a big factor here - Martin did a great write up on this a while back for Zymurgy I think.  WLP029 is my go to.  As Major mentioned, in can be temperature finicky.  I've had sluggish starts at 62° while 64° takes off.
I love this style and brew a lot of it. 
This simple approach took BOS at Beer & Sweat last year (humblebrag).  Happy to share any and all info you want.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/9bc83a5ee4a5263e374e0b199ecddf86.jpg)

Edit: Zymurgy feature was May/June 2017.  "Water for Kölsch Brewing" by Martin Brungard.  Featured in "Kölsch" by Dave Clark. 
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 11, 2018, 02:08:19 PM
My 2 cents:
Keep the recipe simple (have you tried 100% pilsner malt?).  Avoid late hops (read: first wort only).  IMO correct water is a big factor here - Martin did a great write up on this a while back for Zymurgy I think.  WLP029 is my go to.  As Major mentioned, in can be temperature finicky.  I've had sluggish starts at 62° while 64° takes off.
I love this style and brew a lot of it. 
This simple approach took BOS at Beer & Sweat last year (humblebrag).  Happy to share any and all info you want.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/9bc83a5ee4a5263e374e0b199ecddf86.jpg)

Edit: Zymurgy feature was May/June 2017.  "Water for Kölsch Brewing" by Martin Brungard.  Featured in "Kölsch" by Dave Clark.

Thanks for the information! As you alluded to, I always assumed a good kolsch had a different yeast character than lagers which is part of the reason I am drawn to them.

I have tweaked so many things over the years that it's hard to remember what has worked best for me. I have done 100% pilsner malt before. For my next one, maybe I will just simplify as you suggest and go from there.

What IBU figure do you shoot for?
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: JT on May 11, 2018, 02:15:40 PM


My 2 cents:
Keep the recipe simple (have you tried 100% pilsner malt?).  Avoid late hops (read: first wort only).  IMO correct water is a big factor here - Martin did a great write up on this a while back for Zymurgy I think.  WLP029 is my go to.  As Major mentioned, in can be temperature finicky.  I've had sluggish starts at 62° while 64° takes off.
I love this style and brew a lot of it. 
This simple approach took BOS at Beer & Sweat last year (humblebrag).  Happy to share any and all info you want.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/9bc83a5ee4a5263e374e0b199ecddf86.jpg)

Edit: Zymurgy feature was May/June 2017.  "Water for Kölsch Brewing" by Martin Brungard.  Featured in "Kölsch" by Dave Clark.

What IBU figure do you shoot for?

20-25 IBUs.  Ignore the temptation to drop a small amount of a bitterring hop like magnum.  Instead, use a more generous charge of a noble hop (or noble-ish hop like Perle). 
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 11, 2018, 02:19:59 PM


My 2 cents:
Keep the recipe simple (have you tried 100% pilsner malt?).  Avoid late hops (read: first wort only).  IMO correct water is a big factor here - Martin did a great write up on this a while back for Zymurgy I think.  WLP029 is my go to.  As Major mentioned, in can be temperature finicky.  I've had sluggish starts at 62° while 64° takes off.
I love this style and brew a lot of it. 
This simple approach took BOS at Beer & Sweat last year (humblebrag).  Happy to share any and all info you want.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/9bc83a5ee4a5263e374e0b199ecddf86.jpg)

Edit: Zymurgy feature was May/June 2017.  "Water for Kölsch Brewing" by Martin Brungard.  Featured in "Kölsch" by Dave Clark.

What IBU figure do you shoot for?

20-25 IBUs.  Ignore the temptation to drop a small amount of a bitterring hop like magnum.  Instead, use a more generous charge of a noble hop (or noble-ish hop like Perle).

Got. I did do a FWH charge of 100% spalt once and liked the results. Perle sounds like a good option since it has higher AA%.
Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: juggabrew303 on May 14, 2018, 04:07:32 AM
IMO, 2565 is the only kolsch yeast that give the results I want.

Very helpful! What others have you used?

I am really interested in trying the few that Inland Island offers. They are located here in denver so maybe you can't or haven't tried them.

https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-572-golden-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-571-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-573-german-hybrid-ale/

Ive used INIS571 a couple times and I think it’s close to 029.  It’s too clean for my taste, it doesn’t have that pear profile and mouth feel I look for and I’ve gone back to 2565 on my latest kölsch(kegging on Wednesday). 

The word is, 571 is from a local brewery you should know...Call to Arms.  I dint care for their kölsch at all. 

I’m curious which brewery gave you their ferm schedule? I’d like to know if you don’t mind sharing.  The only commercial kölsch I’ve liked in CO is from joyride and steamworks isn’t bad. 


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Title: Re: non WLP/WY Kolsch yeast
Post by: Iliff Ave Brewhouse on May 14, 2018, 04:26:33 AM
IMO, 2565 is the only kolsch yeast that give the results I want.

Very helpful! What others have you used?

I am really interested in trying the few that Inland Island offers. They are located here in denver so maybe you can't or haven't tried them.

https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-572-golden-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-571-kolsch-style-ale/
https://inlandislandyeast.com/yeast-library/inis-573-german-hybrid-ale/

Ive used INIS571 a couple times and I think it’s close to 029.  It’s too clean for my taste, it doesn’t have that pear profile and mouth feel I look for and I’ve gone back to 2565 on my latest kölsch(kegging on Wednesday). 

The word is, 571 is from a local brewery you should know...Call to Arms.  I dint care for their kölsch at all. 

I’m curious which brewery gave you their ferm schedule? I’d like to know if you don’t mind sharing.  The only commercial kölsch I’ve liked in CO is from joyride and steamworks isn’t bad. 


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It was New Terrain. Most local attempts miss the style by a long ways in my opinion but I really enjoyed theirs. Haven’t been to call to arms in some time so I have never tried their kolsch however I do like their beers