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Title: Project keezer
Post by: James K on June 21, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
I just picked up a chest freezer. 7cu-ft.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k97/Jrk264/8E462362-03F0-4292-B5AB-0F546C6EF82F_zpsrp5aneap.jpeg) (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/Jrk264/media/8E462362-03F0-4292-B5AB-0F546C6EF82F_zpsrp5aneap.jpeg.html)

Lookin for pointers and tips related to converting this into a keezer. I am planning on a wooden collar. But also want to make sure that wood is well insulated and also protected from humidity. I plan on 4 taps being present and having the co2 tank on the shelf inside.

I was also going to build a wooden frame for it so it looks nicer. Maybe raise it off of the ground?
Let’s pimp this.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Slowbrew on June 21, 2018, 08:45:20 PM
I don't have any pictures to post at the moment.  I mounted my 7" freezer on a piece of plywood about 2" longer and wider than the base.  I ran a .75"x.75" edge around the top of the plywood to make it look a bit cleaner.

The most important thing the platform allowed me to do was put 3.5" wheels under the unit.  This means I can move it around as needed with out unloading it.

Other than that, I just painted the wooden collar with Gloss-White paint, mounted the top on the collar, and hung my temp controller on it.

Easy-peasy. 

Have fun on your design and build!  My system has worked very well is basically maintainance free (sans cleaning, of course).

Paul

Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Bob357 on June 21, 2018, 09:30:44 PM
If the internal height will accommodate corny kegs, your next concern is whether the top is rigid enough to support a tower. If either answer is negative, you need to build a collar. What you do beyond that is up to your judgement. Be aware that cooling is accomplished by transferring heat from the interior to the exterior, so anything between the exterior walls and ambient will significantly lower the cooling efficiency.

The good news is that you need much less efficiency to maintain `40 degrees F. 
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on June 21, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
I painted my collar (gloss white too) and then lined the inside of the collar with the mylar bubble type insulation, sealed to the top edge surface of the collar and to the freezer at the bottom with foil tape.  Used weatherstripping to make a good seal when the lid was reattached (it was designed to fit into a recess.)  The insulation may have been superfluous,  but it made me happy. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t--lqNvl1v0cjLo7D9rD9pHoujlCG6Gc/view?usp=drivesdk

Humidity tip: Damp Rid.  Sits on the shelf real nice next to your CO2 bottle.

EDIT Another thought, about raising it off the ground.  You're already adding  at least 6" with the collar.  Don't know how tall you are (I'm not very) but remember you have to lift kegs in and out.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on June 22, 2018, 12:52:12 AM
I am 6’1”. I like the wheel idea. That plus a collar would make serving height around mid stomach maybe higher. The shanks on my taps are 4.5” if I remember correctly. They go through a fridge door with a piece of wood now. I do want to make like a wooden box for aesthetics around the freezer. But probably also give some breathing room around the hot spots.

I have seen a keezer with a dehumidifier on the inside, is that just a waste of electricity if I surrounded the collar with some kind of insulation? What do you guys think? And or, how often do you replace the damp rid?
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on June 22, 2018, 01:17:17 AM
I am 6’1”. I like the wheel idea. That plus a collar would make serving height around mid stomach maybe higher. The shanks on my taps are 4.5” if I remember correctly. They go through a fridge door with a piece of wood now. I do want to make like a wooden box for aesthetics around the freezer. But probably also give some breathing room around the hot spots.

I have seen a keezer with a dehumidifier on the inside, is that just a waste of electricity if I surrounded the collar with some kind of insulation? What do you guys think? And or, how often do you replace the damp rid?

Couldn't say, I just periodically check to see if the bottom tub needs emptying of liquid or the basket of chloride needs topping up.  Depending on weather and frequency of opening/closing the keezer, it can take months to need attention.  I keep Damp Rid in my keezer, ferm chamber, lagering freezer, and even a tote I keep small gear in in case a piece of tubing etc gets put away a bit wet.  Cheap dehumidifier, why go more elaborate until you see if it's sufficient?
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Brewtopalonian on June 22, 2018, 01:48:07 AM
I would suggest buying premium quality products right off the bat, as I went cheap at first and am now regretting it and wishing I had some nice perlick taps.  Also, last month there was a great article on how to get the perfect pour Everytime that has to deal with tap lines and how much tubing you need in Zymurgy.  I recommend looking that up. I have a tower coming right out the top of mine.  Someday I'm going to enclose mine with cupboards on either side for additional storage.  Wheels are a must!  You have to get it away from the wall in order to open it to get your kegs in and out. (The downside of having towers out the top). 

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Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on June 22, 2018, 02:04:40 AM
I would suggest buying premium quality products right off the bat, as I went cheap at first and am now regretting it and wishing I had some nice perlick taps.  Also, last month there was a great article on how to get the perfect pour Everytime that has to deal with tap lines and how much tubing you need in Zymurgy.  I recommend looking that up. I have a tower coming right out the top of mine.  Someday I'm going to enclose mine with cupboards on either side for additional storage.  Wheels are a must!  You have to get it away from the wall in order to open it to get your kegs in and out. (The downside of having towers out the top). 

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

I have three less than a year old ss intertaps on my current system, I even have the stout spout which is fun to is play with. My shanks are ss too.
Pretty much galvanizing the old system for a new. Not sure what to do with the soon to be old fridge, since I’ve drilled 4 holes in.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on June 22, 2018, 02:36:57 AM
Intertaps rock, I dont know why any others exist.  If you have the flow control ones, you don't even have to worry about balance that much. 

If your taps are through the collar, you not only eliminate having to move it away from the wall to open.  You also don't have to have a fan to cool the tower, and possibly more elaborate dehumidifier to deal with larger, inaccessible area.

As for the old fridge:  If you have any use for a spare fridge, just fill the holes with expanding foam, shave it flush and seal up with tape.  Otherwise, yeah, not an easy sale.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on June 22, 2018, 03:06:11 PM
Intertaps rock, I dont know why any others exist.  If you have the flow control ones, you don't even have to worry about balance that much. 

If your taps are through the collar, you not only eliminate having to move it away from the wall to open.  You also don't have to have a fan to cool the tower, and possibly more elaborate dehumidifier to deal with larger, inaccessible area.

As for the old fridge:  If you have any use for a spare fridge, just fill the holes with expanding foam, shave it flush and seal up with tape.  Otherwise, yeah, not an easy sale.

I’m not fancy enough for flow control. I’m thinking about turning the old fridge into a lagering fridge or for cold side temp controlling (it has a controller on it that came with it). You can kinda see the height of that fridge in the picture I posted. It’s just kind of a waste of space because it’s tall and kegs and carboys aren’t. Maybe throw a shelf in there so two things can be cool at a time.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on June 28, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
Bump
Anyone have experience drilling small holes in one of these to mount a manifold on the inside? I don’t want to ruin the unit by punching through a line. I don’t plan on using long screws.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on June 28, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
Bump
Anyone have experience drilling small holes in one of these to mount a manifold on the inside? I don’t want to ruin the unit by punching through a line. I don’t plan on using long screws.
I wouldn't drill into anything but the collar.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on June 29, 2018, 09:06:39 AM
Bump
Anyone have experience drilling small holes in one of these to mount a manifold on the inside? I don’t want to ruin the unit by punching through a line. I don’t plan on using long screws.
I wouldn't drill into anything but the collar.

Dude....  never even crossed my mind. *snaps*
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 06, 2018, 02:50:15 AM
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k97/Jrk264/5D87C058-939A-4961-B907-3FC887D5ED10_zps3pbfvgbd.jpeg) (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/Jrk264/media/5D87C058-939A-4961-B907-3FC887D5ED10_zps3pbfvgbd.jpeg.html)

Just built the collar today.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: a10t2 on July 06, 2018, 03:50:54 AM
I wouldn't drill into anything but the collar.

I mounted mine to one of the plastic baskets that came with the freezer.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 06, 2018, 05:40:09 AM
I wouldn't drill into anything but the collar.

I mounted mine to one of the plastic baskets that came with the freezer.

Do you have a picture of that? I don’t know how I’d mount it as I would probably just dangle it in the basket if I went that route.

Edit: Robert, do you have a drip tray on yours? Because I’m lost on how to put that on without drilling into the outside of the freezer. My current scews are 1/4 inch. But they are in the door of my fridge.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: a10t2 on July 06, 2018, 07:24:16 AM
I wouldn't drill into anything but the collar.

I mounted mine to one of the plastic baskets that came with the freezer.

Do you have a picture of that? I don’t know how I’d mount it as I would probably just dangle it in the basket if I went that route.

You should be able to see it pretty well here: http://seanterrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/fullsizeoutput_25cf.jpeg
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Slowbrew on July 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
Not Robert, but I use a stainless steel drywall mud pan as my drip try.  I found some outdoor rated, double stick, Velcro to stick it to the front of my freezer.

It isn't perfect but it has worked for 10-12 years.  I keep thinking I need to do something different but it works so other things take priority.

Paul
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on July 06, 2018, 11:43:59 AM
I do have a drip tray.  I attached a narrow board to the collar under my tap area, extending down a foot or so, and put the screws into that to hang the drip tray.  You could probably also attach a piece of wood just big enough to do the job directly to the freezer using construction adhesive or epoxy.  (That might be the tidier approach.) Anyway you don't want to glue the drip tray directly, you have to remove it to clean it.  Need a piece of wood and screws somehow.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 06, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
I wouldn't drill into anything but the collar.

I mounted mine to one of the plastic baskets that came with the freezer.

Do you have a picture of that? I don’t know how I’d mount it as I would probably just dangle it in the basket if I went that route.

You should be able to see it pretty well here: http://seanterrill.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/fullsizeoutput_25cf.jpeg
My basket is just a wire basket. Probably going to go the Robert route since it seems easier to just screw it onto the collar. Thank you for sharing.

I do have a drip tray.  I attached a narrow board to the collar under my tap area, extending down a foot or so, and put the screws into that to hang the drip tray.  You could probably also attach a piece of wood just big enough to do the job directly to the freezer using construction adhesive or epoxy.  (That might be the tidier approach.) Anyway you don't want to glue the drip tray directly, you have to remove it to clean it.  Need a piece of wood and screws somehow.
Maybe a quarter inch board with a piece of metal that would create a easily cleanable back splash area? Just mount it to the front of the collar with like 3 screws, it’s not like there is going to be any weight on the thing.

Anyways. I’m gonna have to think about it.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on July 06, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
^^^^
Yeah, that sounds like the right kind of idea.  The only weight to support will be a pint of beer at most, and a metal backsplash would look pretty slick.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 07, 2018, 12:28:40 AM
^^^^
Yeah, that sounds like the right kind of idea.  The only weight to support will be a pint of beer at most, and a metal backsplash would look pretty slick.

I got the piece of wood (11x10) and was advised to just seal it with a polycrylic from the hardware store (several coats) I was looking at metal for the backsplash but unless it’s stainless I was told it would eventually corrode (if it was aluminum or galvanized steal.) I’ll have to see how it works out. Been a fun project so far.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 18, 2018, 07:34:10 PM
Almost finished! Secure insulation, put taps in, secure manifold, drink beer.

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Oh and Robert, that damp rid.... I got some of that and it was in there while I was fermenting with a blow off valve. That damp rid took the moisture out of the half gallon jug, I’m surprised the beer didn’t get compromised while fermenting...  live and learn.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: denny on July 18, 2018, 07:47:37 PM
waiddaminnit....I use damp rid in my freezer with a half gal. blowoff jar.  Hasn't ever affected the liquid level.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on July 18, 2018, 08:00:54 PM
waiddaminnit....I use damp rid in my freezer with a half gal. blowoff jar.  Hasn't ever affected the liquid level.
But we live in wet places, Denny.   The air up there might make a difference?  ???

("But it's a dry heat..."  ;) )
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 18, 2018, 08:47:38 PM
waiddaminnit....I use damp rid in my freezer with a half gal. blowoff jar.  Hasn't ever affected the liquid level.
But we live in wet places, Denny.   The air up there might make a difference?  ???

("But it's a dry heat..."  ;) )

I don’t know. I’m at 7k feet elevation and it’s 84% humidity, our monsoon season. It was pretty strange when I checked. I’ve had air locks dry up too semi frequently as well. Maybe it was a mixture of heat, coolness, humidity. I’m not sure.

She coming along though.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 18, 2018, 10:57:20 PM
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k97/Jrk264/C1D2E002-7C03-42AC-9206-DD9B8B9FE501_zpsnyafobxz.jpeg) (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/Jrk264/media/C1D2E002-7C03-42AC-9206-DD9B8B9FE501_zpsnyafobxz.jpeg.html)

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All done. Thank you for all of your help, feedback, and suggestions.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on July 18, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
🍻  Looks awesome!
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 19, 2018, 12:24:26 AM
I haven’t poured anything yet. But did cut that co2 line back, will probably cut the shorter lines back. And. I hope 8’ of beverage line is enough.

I’ll find out after work.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: goose on July 19, 2018, 02:39:28 PM
Nice job!  However, I have one question and I apologize for seeing this too late to post earlier during the construction phase.
How do you keep the collar in place  on the top of the keezer, did you glue it down?  I built something similar and used some Luan sub flooring as a facing on the front of the collar that fits over the top edge of the keezer.  This keeps the collar from moving around and provides a nice smooth facing without any gluing.  I can just pop it off when needed.
If you have problems with the collar moving around, you might be able to add some to the inside of the collar.
Just my .02.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 19, 2018, 06:52:18 PM
The collar is free floating. It can be removed at any time, not to worried about a seal because the insulation. Not too worried about the top sliding when pouring either. Because of how the drop tray is. It can’t be moved back though. So far it’s working well. Had some pints last night. A bit more head compared to the old kegerator of mine. But I also moved the kegs, forgot which lines went where and put a bit more co2 in the kegs.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on July 19, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
If you did want to further stabilize it now after the fact, just a short bit of angle aluminum or brass dropped down from each corner of the collar would probably be enough.  Like the drip tray, but bracing it in all directions. (Mine's both glued down with construction adhesive and secured with a drop-down trim strip all the way around.  As soon as I glued it down, I wondered if I might ever regret that....)
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on July 19, 2018, 07:48:40 PM
If I went the angle way I could still easily just lift the collar, given there aren’t tap lines connected. I might end up doing that in the future, for now I think it’s time to reseal my old fridge and make a lagering/cold side control unit.
Honestly though I just want to get rid of it and get something that doesn’t produce so much moisture staying cool  ;D
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on August 12, 2018, 07:27:17 AM
Bump.
Anyone have ideas on the wheel install, at first I was thinking something similar to the collar. Then I though, just a solid piece of wood. I’ve got the wheels already. But I’m not trying to add much more height.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Robert on August 12, 2018, 03:15:13 PM
Just a dolly, cut a sheet of plywood to the size of the keezer? 
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on August 12, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
Just a dolly, cut a sheet of plywood to the size of the keezer?

That’s kinda where my head was at. My main concern is that the wood is thick enough to put small screws in.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: jeffy on August 12, 2018, 06:03:12 PM
My thought was to buy two dollies and just set the freezer on top without any screws.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: Slowbrew on August 12, 2018, 06:26:57 PM
I used 3/4" Melomene. I found a couple point to bolt the panel to the bottom of the freezer and then bolted the wheels to the panel.

It has worked great for me.

Paul
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on August 13, 2018, 12:11:11 AM
I used 3/4" Melomene. I found a couple point to bolt the panel to the bottom of the freezer and then bolted the wheels to the panel.

It has worked great for me.

Paul

I’ll prob take a trip to the hardware store tomorrow and look for something like that. Then use some 1/2 inchers to mount the wheels.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: James K on August 20, 2018, 12:09:46 AM
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/k97/Jrk264/s0/832d2436-7758-40cc-a880-b4433882b427-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://beta.photobucket.com/u/Jrk264/p/832d2436-7758-40cc-a880-b4433882b427)
She rolls now. And the serving height is better for tall people.
Title: Re: Project keezer
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 25, 2018, 10:20:28 PM
I mounted wheels the first go around on mine, too, but after it crapped out from old age, I just went with Harbor Freight dollies.  Cheap and easy and it rolls around perfectly well, even when full of kegs and fermenters.

Nice build!