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Title: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: BrewArk on August 12, 2010, 03:10:24 AM
AHA TechTalk is sent to over 15,000 homebrewers daily.  TechTalk is available to members of the American Homebrewer's Association as a discussion group specifically dedicated to the art and science of homebrewing.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 12, 2010, 11:13:26 AM
I personally never read TechTalk. I have always found it difficult to follow. Quite frankly its a terrible format. It takes too much time to read. The people who adhere to TT do not really understand how much easier it is to use this forum - for one thing you can click on only the topics you are most interested. In TT you have to scan through the entire email. For another, you can post a question and have a response in minutes on the forum, as opposed to the next with TT. If you are in the middle of a brew session and have a question, forget TT!

That said, I really don't care one way or the other if it stays or goes. If people are so gungho for it then maybe they should have a right to save it. I do think, however, that it is like people clinging to the Telegraph Wire on the advent of the phone. Doesn't make sense to me why so many people seem so hardcore to keep it. My .02. I voted "pantless".  ;)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: MDixon on August 12, 2010, 11:19:27 AM
I agree with don't care if it stays or go. I never read it unless someone points out something I should see.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: lgharis on August 12, 2010, 12:12:41 PM
This was discussed at this year's NHC meeting in Minneapolis.  It is old technology that requires someone to spend several hours a week to compile the emails, etc.  It's a cost and efficiency thing, plain and simple.  There are enough forums around for people to get answers to questions in a more direct manner.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 12, 2010, 12:28:30 PM
Regardless of what the AHA does with respect to TT, I am unsubscribing from it.  I've skimmed it when it appeared in my mailbox but find it very disconnected.  For example, if I missed the question asked on one day, but read the response the next day, it's hard to know what was originally asked if the original email is not included.

Ever since the forum was launched, I've seen TT declining in posts, and sometimes would go days without seeing one. 

I am using the RSS feed for the forum and I see every post in my email.  I then can scan the post, deleting the ones I'm not interested in and open the ones I am.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 12, 2010, 01:36:18 PM
I much prefer the dynamic "live effect" of the forum. I also read the TT emails but I could take it or leave it.
The forum has so much more to offer.  It's night and day to me.  I really think the forum wins hands down.
But that's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.  ;D
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 12, 2010, 01:36:29 PM
The only thing I ever found remotely interesting about TT was the headlines.  Once they appeared over here too, goodbye TT.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Slowbrew on August 12, 2010, 02:22:50 PM
I won't go through any withdrawal symptoms when TT goes away.  I get the mail everyday and skim the headlines.  I may read one or 2 responses a week but most days I just delete it. It's a format that takes too much effort on everyone's part in my opinion (AHA's time to compile it and my time to handle it in email).

On the other hand the folks who post to TT do seem to spend time making sure what they send is correct, accurate and phrased well.  Not always the case on forums but this one does pretty well in this regard too.

It worked well for quite some time but I, personally, am ready to move on.

Paul
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: jeffy on August 12, 2010, 02:45:49 PM
There is so much outcry on TT to keep it that it would seem counter productive to the causes of the AHA to do away with it.  A huge number of people have written in the past week or so that it is a major part of their subscription.  I'm glad that Drew and the GC is reaching out to try to keep it.
I like it and use it.  I find it more polite and a lot easier, but I'm getting used to the forum.
Honestly if I check for new posts on the forum twice a day, it's a bit overwhelming and time-consuming, but I'm one of those compulsive people that wants to read everything about beer so it's hard to skip stuff.
Title: ;)
Post by: denny on August 12, 2010, 03:39:31 PM
but I'm one of those compulsive people that wants to read everything about beer so it's hard to skip stuff.

I used to be like that, too.  Take it from the voice of experience, you'll get over it!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: jeffy on August 12, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
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Take it from the voice of experience, you'll get over it!
How much experience do you think it'll take?  I've been brewing since 1990, judging with the bjcp since 1995......
So far I've learned to skip some of the BBQ style posts, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 12, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
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Take it from the voice of experience, you'll get over it!
How much experience do you think it'll take?  I've been brewing since 1990, judging with the bjcp since 1995......
So far I've learned to skip some of the BBQ style posts, but that's about it.

If you read 6-8 different forums (fora?) a day like I do, you learn to discriminate with your time.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tankdeer on August 12, 2010, 03:58:35 PM
Time to put it out to pasture, or should it be Pasteur in this case?  :P
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: garp on August 12, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
It only takes a few seconds to scan the topics and see what interests you.  As many have already said, TT and the forum serve different purposes.  I see stuff on TT that I wouldnt think to ask about, and look in the forum for specific topics. I've only been brewing for 3 years, and maybe after I've been brewing 20 years, I wont find as much new stuff that interests me, but for me it is still very helpful learning tool.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: stadelman on August 12, 2010, 04:49:07 PM
TT is behind the times technologically. 

If you wanted to continue this you could do it much more easily with something similar to Yahoo or Google groups.

People would submit questions, comments, etc and the person who formats TT could go through and approve or deny posts.  A Daily digest could be sent to all subscribers.  This would still take some time, but would be a lot more efficient than formatting all of the emails manually.

Having said that, I think forums are a better means of communication. 

It also frees up time for the person who maintains this.  Maybe they are spending it on... expanding the pub discount program.  That's a form of communication I can get behind.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: susanr on August 12, 2010, 06:11:08 PM
I have to say I really liked the format of TechTalk.  I have started using the forum but don't find it as useful as TechTalk - it takes longer to read the topics since it is in a tread format and I have to keep returning to see the replies.  New Topics will be fed to your e-mail but I haven't found a way yet to get the replies fed to my e-mail.

Perhaps some of you can help on this but here is what I have found so far:

New topics will come to my e-mail - but if I don't go to the forum - only one/category will come until I go back. - thus if I don't go there for several days - no e-mails come to remind me to go.  TechTalk just shows up Monday thru Friday and I can read it all when I have time.

No quick way to know if someone has replied to your post other than going back to the board frequently and clicking on the reply button at the top - If I am not reminded to go check something - it probably won't happen.

I have checked several of the categories to get an e-mail on when there is a new topic - I will get one e-mail from each category - but unless I follow the new link - nothing more will come from that category - and with 5-10  categories checked I tend to forget which ones I went to check thus I quit getting emails from several of them.

All of these emails from so many categories are filling up my mail box - TechTalk gave me one e-mail a day and altho slower - I only at most had to wait a couple days to get a reply to my question (or I also got several immediate responses from people who prefer to keep their answer private).  I also liked that I got several varying responses from several people who have different ideas - all in one e-mail.

I am not saying that I don't like the forum - it has it's place and I am trying to embrace it - but there are many endearing features of TechTalk that I really liked - antiquated or not - perhaps some of us are also antiquated - or perhaps some of us just like things at a slower pace.   There is also something to be said on the advertising end of it - 15000 members got a reminder 5 days a week that they were AHA members and that the AHA was thinking about them.  Not the case with the forum where you have to sign up and then tend to forget about it.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: dean on August 12, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
I've been reading about TT the last couple of days now with some interest but kept any thoughts to myself because I'm another that has looked at it a few times and gave up reading it because it was hard to cypher through.

I'm not going to vote one way or another because while I don't think its all that great, I do feel for those that like it... once and if its gone.   :-\
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 12, 2010, 06:28:49 PM
Susan, we're hard at work looking at ways we can make the forum behave the way you want it to.  Hang in there!  In the meantime, look at it the other way around...it's great for all of us here on the forum to have the benefit of your knowledge and experience!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: hamiltont on August 12, 2010, 06:33:21 PM
FWIW...  Once the AHA Forum was fired up I dropped my TT subscription.  So much more discussion on the forum & as close to real-time as possible.  Additionally I can't imagine the amount of time spent managing TT that could be used more productively.   The TT has served the AHA community well over the years but I think it's time to move on to more current technologies IMO...
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: ajk on August 12, 2010, 07:32:51 PM
No quick way to know if someone has replied to your post other than going back to the board frequently and clicking on the reply button at the top - If I am not reminded to go check something - it probably won't happen.

Follow the PROFILE (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?action=profile) link at the top of the page, then "Notifications and Email" under "Modify Profile".  Check "Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic."

I have checked several of the categories to get an e-mail on when there is a new topic - I will get one e-mail from each category - but unless I follow the new link - nothing more will come from that category - and with 5-10  categories checked I tend to forget which ones I went to check thus I quit getting emails from several of them.

In the same list of checkboxes, uncheck "Receive reply notification only for the first unread reply."  At least I think that will get you what you want -- I'm still experimenting myself.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: susanr on August 12, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
AJK - Thanks - I will try that.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tschmidlin on August 12, 2010, 09:44:43 PM
it would be nice if there was a middle ground for the notification checkboxes.  Once per topic is no good for the reason Susan mentioned.  Once for every reply is too much for high traffic topics.  Maybe it can be set up to only send one reminder every 6 or 12 or 24 hours.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 12, 2010, 10:10:10 PM
Tom, I think what we're hoping to do is set it up in some sort of "digest" fashion.  Some of us on the GC web subcommittee are testing and talking about possible mods now.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tschmidlin on August 12, 2010, 10:19:09 PM
Cool, thanks Denny. I'm looking forward to seeing how you guys improve the forum.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: witsok on August 12, 2010, 11:47:10 PM
I think TT has an advantage when one is announcing homebrew competition and call for judges and stewards.  The push model likely gets the message to more viewers.  That said, I don't believe discontinuing TT is a big lose.  More often than not, the topics were "where do a get a good beer in city X."  Other major group of topics were very basic/fundemental questions about brewing - when do I add yeast?  How long till my batch is ready?  I don't mind answering questions, but I also expect people to do a little homework themselves.  I find the forum to have more/better topics of interest.  Yes, some of the same basic questions are asked, but at least there are more intering threads.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: chadada on August 13, 2010, 01:30:07 AM
Put me down as another vote to keep TT.  The forum is useful, but TT is a better fit for my daily life.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: aubreygayle@yahoo.com on August 13, 2010, 01:35:59 AM
Yes. Please keep TT!
By the way, it just took me over five minutes to figure out how to vote on this poll. GRRR!

Cheers!
  --Aubrey
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: richara on August 13, 2010, 04:40:32 AM
I just cast my vote for keeping TechTalk.  I am very pleased that the Governing Committee has asked for suggestions, and I hope that they will find a reasonable solution.  From reading the posts on TechTalk, it is clear that even if they are in the minority, the users of TechTalk are very passionate about the service (me included).  I would also like to point out, that while this poll may be interesting, just the fact that it appears in the Forum makes it extremely biased.  No one would conduct a political poll by walking into the Republican National Convention and asking how many people favor the Democrat.
Thanks,
Andrew Richardson (one aspect of the Forum that I don't like is the anonymity)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Bruce B on August 13, 2010, 06:09:31 AM
Although I'm a fan of TT I casted my vote to retire it.  When it comes down to it the forum offers more information on a broader range of topics while at the same time produces less overhead and cost for the AHA.  How I get the information has changed but I can adapt to that.  Plus I'm all for taking 3 hours of copying and pasting emails out of any one's work load.  Thank you very much to the person who has been assembling those emails and sending them out all this time.  If I had to do 3 hours of copying and pasting for my job I might would probably do some sort of career end-er like the JetBlue guy.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: beerrat on August 13, 2010, 01:56:52 PM
I posted questions via tech talk a few time, but found it less effective in getting responses then this AHA forum.  The interaction in AHA forum threads and spawning new threads from them in a short amount of time has been very valuable to me. Tech talk emails not as dynamic, response would go to personal emails and not seen by all participants, and the time lag hindered its effectiveness for me.

I'm learned so much in the 9 months I've been on AHA forum.  The forum is like sitting down having a conversation, were techtalk was like letter correspondence.

Regards,

Dan Schreffler
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: j.ed on August 13, 2010, 02:18:52 PM
Really dislike the forum. I find the entire website difficult to navigate (It took 3 logins to get here).
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: stadelman on August 13, 2010, 03:32:46 PM
I really dislike bikes.  I fell off the first 5 times I tried to ride one.

Just messin' with ya!  Give the format a chance.  The RSS feed is especially nice.

Really dislike the forum. I find the entire website difficult to navigate (It took 3 logins to get here).
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tankdeer on August 13, 2010, 03:40:09 PM
I'm actually surprised at how close this poll is.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: BrewArk on August 13, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
...  I would also like to point out, that while this poll may be interesting, just the fact that it appears in the Forum makes it extremely biased...

I thought of that before I started the poll, but I couldn't figure out how to put a similar poll on TT.  Anyway, this isn't California so the majority of the vote doesn't matter here,*  A significant showing should be enough.

(*meant to be humorous not political - please don't respond to this)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 13, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
I really dislike bikes.  I fell off the first 5 times I tried to ride one.

Just messin' with ya!  Give the format a chance.  The RSS feed is especially nice.

Really dislike the forum. I find the entire website difficult to navigate (It took 3 logins to get here).

Bwahaha! Hysterical.

The reason it is so close is because the TT people don;t want to lose TT and they are coming together - and I don't blame them. I'd do the same thing. Too bad none of them really are giving the forum a chance, though. I only see one post, then out, on most of them. :-[
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 13, 2010, 03:43:45 PM
I'm actually surprised at how close this poll is.

Well the posting about the poll was in today's TT, so I'm sure there are a lot of people signing up just to vote to keep it.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 13, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
...  I would also like to point out, that while this poll may be interesting, just the fact that it appears in the Forum makes it extremely biased...

I thought of that before I started the poll, but I couldn't figure out how to put a similar poll on TT.

Score 1 for the forum, IMO!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tschmidlin on August 13, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
I'm actually surprised at how close this poll is.

Well the posting about the poll was in today's TT, so I'm sure there are a lot of people signing up just to vote to keep it.
Then there are those of us who aren't voting because we using the forum now and are ambivalent about what happens to TT.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 13, 2010, 03:50:06 PM
I'm actually surprised at how close this poll is.

Well the posting about the poll was in today's TT, so I'm sure there are a lot of people signing up just to vote to keep it.
Then there are those of us who aren't voting because we using the forum now and are ambivalent about what happens to TT.

Hence the No Pants option :)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tschmidlin on August 13, 2010, 03:58:43 PM
Hence the No Pants option :)
Ok, no pants it is then. :)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 13, 2010, 06:17:55 PM

Too bad none of them really are giving the forum a chance, though. I only see one post, then out, on most of them. :-[
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Not to repeat on different threads, but...

There are significant differences in usage patterns between the forum and TT.  Thus, you don't have too many TT readers engaged in back and forth, real-time, responses on the forum.

I wouldn't say none of us are giving it a chance.  That's a gross generalization of the sort that helps polarize the conversation.

For those of you who don't/won't read TT, you might be surprised to know that a good deal of the hue and cry (though certainly not all of it) has been related to the fact (or the feeling) that the decision was made without input (or with minimal input) from the members. 

There are certainly those who have had a negative response to the forum, but on the whole I think people would have responded better had there been an open discussion in advance of a decision and the members had input.

As for me, I've already spent too much of my work day here and you're keeping me from the saabcentral forum!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: 4himarks on August 13, 2010, 09:44:08 PM
I voted to keep TT. I've used both, and while the forum has it's place, I feel the format has a tendency to "wander" and go off-topic too easily. There is also way too much "white space" and other extraneous real estate compared to the information density in TT.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 13, 2010, 09:52:19 PM
Do I detect a general current here? People who say they use both but prefer TT .... but who don't really seem to be usingt he forum at all. 4 posts?? You have looked at it once or twice ... maybe 4 times tops.  ;)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: beerocd on August 13, 2010, 10:20:36 PM
The gist of it I get, is that the "TT" people prefer textbook answers. No bs, no jokes, just the facts. I say that's what books are for.
I have an idea, what if the best answer from each thread could be plucked -  and the question and answer get put into a digest. Would that be TT-ish enough? Still need a volunteer or mod to flag the answers (or do a voting system); but the consolidation could probably be run as a nightly script - resulting in an email. And the pub gets no flags.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: danryankc on August 13, 2010, 10:45:06 PM
New to the forums, so maybe I'll learn to enjoy them, but TT has been a major source of knowledge and enjoyment.  Even if I evolve into one of the insider-joking, opinion-spouting forum regulars, it will be the TT that brought me along.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: paul62 on August 13, 2010, 10:48:41 PM
I voted to keep TT.  Yes, I do not use the Forum that much.  I find it less useful than TT.  It reminds me of Usenet from decades ago.  Are there benefits to both formats?  Sure.  But what I read here in opposition to keeping TT, is condescending, and quite frankly, not very intelligent.  Hence the dislike of many of us for the Forum over TT.  I see the same sophmoric, snarky defensiveness.
Yes, we will get over it.  As stated above, one of the reasons (apart from the merits or demerits of each approach to information sharing) for the opposition is how it was decided and announced.  No input from the membership.  Sadly it is another example of something good being taken over by the beancounters.  That is how Budweiser became tasteless, alcoholic fizz.  Once upon a time it was a good beer.  I see the same progression for the AHA.  I guess this is another change we can believe in.

Paul Mahoney
Star City Brewers Guild
Roanoke, Va.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: weithman5 on August 13, 2010, 11:45:54 PM
i have never been able to actually find and use techtalk to try it.  and yes i am a member. 
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 14, 2010, 01:01:19 AM
That is how Budweiser became tasteless, alcoholic fizz.  Once upon a time it was a good beer.  I see the same progression for the AHA.  I guess this is another change we can believe in.

Paul Mahoney
Star City Brewers Guild
Roanoke, Va.

...and you complain about "condescending, and quite frankly, not very intelligent".  Might want to look in a mirror, seems that argument might apply both ways.

We can have much more constructive conservations and, hopefully, reach more reasonable conclusions if everyone just sticks to the facts and avoids the personal attacks.  Talk about what it is you like/dislike about TT and what you like/dislike about the forum (assuming you give it an honest shot).

ps.  Tell Beth D. I said Hi!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: wfaris on August 14, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
I skim through TechTalk everyday but don't get a whole lot out of it.  I would participate in it a lot more except that it is a PITA to reply to an individual post without doing major edit of the quote.  In addition, the lag between posting a question and getting a response ends up with with many responses stating basically the same thing over and over.  Gets a bit boring to read.  I like the quick response you can get off forums like this.  You can see how others have responded and then limit your response to something that actually adds to the content rather than just repeating what has already been said.

Wayne
Bugeater Brewing Company
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 14, 2010, 02:26:52 PM
Hey Wayne - its great to see you here. haven't seen a post from you in quite some time!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 14, 2010, 03:08:06 PM
Do I detect a general current here? People who say they use both but prefer TT .... but who don't really seem to be usingt he forum at all. 4 posts?? You have looked at it once or twice ... maybe 4 times tops.  ;)

Hey, Major.  Isn't one of the objections to TT that people post the same question over and over and never search for the answer?

If people are using the forum as it's intended - an information resource - then chances are they are searching, reading and learning perhaps never posting.

If, instead, the forum is a social network where number of posts is important, I think it has a lot less value.

Is the number of posts really that important to you?  Should we not be looking at the quality of someone's posts rather than the volume?  I can post a hundred "me too"s and "+1" and I add nothing to the community.

As one of the loudest and most frequent proponents of the forum, you do yourself no benefit by harping on number of posts.

As I think I pointed out previously, there appears to be a small number of frequent posters on the forum, similar to that of TT.  That of course does not mean there is not a vast quantity of silent brewers gleaning information and enjoying the repartee.

Try listening to what people have to say rather than looking at their post-count.  Since the forum is open to all, I would assume all opinions matter and all voices should be heard.

The judgemental nature of some of your posts on this topic is entirely absent from the conversation that occurs on TT (but for the current rancorous debate) as well as from the majority of your other posts on the forum, from what I have seen. 

Help yourself out and rise above it.  You do a lot better when you stick to what you honestly believe are the benefits of the forum, but this sort of noise detracts from your message.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 14, 2010, 03:53:50 PM
WOW!  jrdunne, quite frankly, its hard not to find your post insulting and you have really got me pegged wrong! And if you REALLY read my posts on this thread you will see where I have said numerous times that I think that if people want to keep TT then I am behind them 100 percent. To insinuate that I care about post count at all really is more of a reflection of yourself.  Or perhaps it is a projection of your own. But it is not at all what I care about.

I absolutely agree that people can use it as a search tool. But It is also incredibly obvious that way too many TTers are coming over, voting for the poll and not really trying to give the forum a shot - period. I could care less how many post counts people have, but it is hard to overlook that when people come in and say "I hate the forum" and it is their first post, that they surely haven't given it a fair shake.

I'l be frank, in every case where people have brought up instances where they say TT beats the forum, I'm baffled! I can find absolutely no instance. When people have a question or want to share ideas or make an announcement the forum does this instantly. It's quicker to navigate, not slower. Its easier to search on. Easier to skip topics that don't interest you. I understand that the people who enjoy TT are looking at it as a routine, something they enjoy with their coffee in the AM (the way I do with this forum, BTW). And I am in no way an advocate for people to lose this. But I also think people could get the same thing from this forum, and more.

Oh, and for the record, I voted No Pants. I am in no way against the TTers.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 14, 2010, 03:53:56 PM
I am also subscribed to TT and read the emails occasionally.  I find that they are informative in nature and provide much insight to homebrewing as a craft. I can understand the disappointment form the folks that regularly use TT.

I find that on the forum I can search, read and learn from the massive amount of information that the forum has generated in less than only one year. The forum is a living and breathing entity that is very dynamic in nature. Some days I'm troubleshooting a fermentation issue while others I'm helping another newbie homebrewers reconcile a mash efficiency issue.  The forum is a great entity that not only helps me learn but allows me to help others as well. 

I have often times found myself laughing at posts not in a destructive way but in a way that is inherently part of the everyday business here.  Many of the members here have a sense of humor which I find to be a benefit because if I can't laugh and learn from my mistakes I might as well just go home.

Give the forum a chance.  I think you'll find it to be a valuable resource and a place to call your own.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: brushvalleybrewer on August 14, 2010, 07:28:46 PM
Is it okay if I like both the Forum and TechTalk? Can I like Ales and Lagers? Is it all right to eat meat and vegetables? Is it acceptable to like wine and mead? Beer and cider? Extract and all grain?

There is a situation called the sucker’s choice. It is when we accept a false choice where no choice exists. It does this by ignoring the third choice. The choice of “and.”

Should the AHA only have a forum?
Should the AHA only have a mailing list?
Should the AHA have both a forum and a mailing list?

I like the third option. I enjoy the Forum and TechTalk (though I have to admit I have replies and image loading disabled so that spammers cannot tell they have reached a valid account and deny them a valuable property to resell to their fellow spammers).

I tend to lurk in both, but I think that is the default behavior on most lists and forums. I have a pretty good system worked out for reading everything on the forum, though I have to remember to use it (that’s the “pull” that people talk about). The mailing list has much more marketing value (that is the “push” that people talk about). It reminds me every day that I am an AHA member in a way that does not get annoying or seem like marketing spam. I don’t know why you would want to throw that away.

If there are labor, skill set, or economic issues, then let’s address those.

Can we talk about beer now?  ;)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 14, 2010, 08:22:30 PM
Keith - apologies for any insult given, as none was intended.

However, I remain at a loss as to why you point out post counts in this discussion.  I don't see that as relevant even if the only reason they posted was to say they prefer TT.  For those who say they hate the forum, whatever.  They won't be participants so who cares?

Someone can be a part of this community, or the TT community, without ever posting.  That's my point.

I think you'll notice I'm giving the forum a chance.  This is not the only thread I've posted on.

I appreciate your support of TT and would note that I have not been opposed to the forum or negative about it in any way.  For the record, I did post on TT that I don't believe I will be an active participant in the forum, but that is clearly falling by the wayside...

JOE
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 14, 2010, 08:57:36 PM
Joe - here's the thing about post counts. There's only two that matter. The FIRST FEW (1 or 2 or 3 or even 4) post counts that let people know that someone is new to the forum and should be welcomed as such. And any numbers that are rediculously and embarrassingly high like mine (and a few others) that show people are spending way too much time here.  ;) Honest to goodness I do not take my post count with any amount of pride. If there as a way I could hide it or lock it in at 501 I would.  ;)

My only point in bringing up post counts here was that it is obvious that a lot of TTers are coming over, posting once (or joining, voting and not posting), saying they "hate the forum" and not giving it a fair shake. Its not really about post counts per se. My emphasis is simply on people not really giving the forum a genuine try. The fact that I bring up "post count" is only a necessary evil. I will also point out that I often scan the users lurking on the forum and I recognize a lot of them from day to day or week to week. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with lurking! And perhaps it was unfair of me to criticize someone initially with a total of four posts. The "winky" emoticon was there to make whomever it was know that I was teasing and not being entirely serious. But I am being serious when I say that many people are not really giving the forum a genuine try.

I will restate, just to be clear, that it is not the post count I am concerned about at all. I just think that - to be fair - people should actually give the forum a genuine try before they come over here and make the pronouncement that they "hate it" for what ever reason, or make criticisms that, in all honesty, don't seem to hold a lot of water. That is really my point - not post count.

I appreciate you giving it a try and I hope to see you around participating in the future. A sincere welcome to everyone who is coming over and trying the forum! :)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Malticulous on August 14, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
I've searched but can not find out how to subscribe to TT. I'd guess that's something that comes with the membership card I've never gotten? (no vote from me)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 14, 2010, 09:41:18 PM
The "winky" emoticon was there to make whomever it was know that I was teasing and not being entirely serious.

Missed it.  Saw it later.  Not my thing but I suppose I should get used to emoticons.  As another poster noted, some of the humor/sarcasm/good-natured ribbing gets lost in the reading...  No fix for that I suppose.  Perhaps my fault in being reactionary.

I just think that - to be fair - people should actually give the forum a genuine try before they come over here and make the pronouncement that they "hate it" for what ever reason

Fair enough and agreed.  However, on the flip side just because some people like the forum doesn't mean TT doesn't have it's place, though I believe you agree with that.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: beerocd on August 15, 2010, 01:03:45 AM
And any numbers that are rediculously and embarrassingly high like mine (and a few others) that show people are spending way too much time here.

Hey!  >:(
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 16, 2010, 01:37:41 PM
Hey Wayne - its great to see you here. haven't seen a post from you in quite some time!

You should head over to the Brewing Network forum...you can't shut this guy up  ;)

Just kidding Bugeater....this guy has helped me out of a jam several times through the BN forum!!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: homebrewgamecock on August 16, 2010, 10:22:34 PM
I read both TT and the forum.  While I don't post much over here, I do skim through and read what I want.  The biggest problem with any forum is sometimes people just want to argue, show their a$$ and generally act like an idiot.  TT just provides information.  I see the need for both if it's feasible by the AHA. 

I will still renew my membership to the AHA even if TT disappears.  While I do enjoy TT and Zymurgy, the AHA provides benefits way beyond these two things IMO.  Sure, some of the benefits are not easily noticed by me, but I know the AHA is working for homebrewers.  Whether it is legislation to get homebrewing legalized in some states or other law making decisions, I feel the AHA provides me a pretty big benefit. 
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 16, 2010, 10:26:57 PM
Naw - The BN is like the Wild West and I'm a more civilized guy than that.  :P
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: jdurose on August 17, 2010, 02:06:26 AM
This is my first post to the forum, although I have been searching through it for a while now.  I would like to vote to keep both TT and the forum.  I think they are both valuable tools.

I'd have to say that there are some nice features I really like about this forum, and I can see myself using it to look up specific information.  However, I am definitely more of a lurker than a participator when it comes to TT or forums.

What I really dislike about the forum (and all forums and comment sections in general) is the anonymity which often leads to a joking and sarcastic tone that just disagrees with me.  Sarcasm simply doesn't portray well through text even with the use of emoticons.

Excluding the current thread on the closing of TT, it just feels like folks are more respectful in their replies on TT and I prefer that.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 17, 2010, 02:24:11 AM
Welcome and thanks for your thoughts! You will notice that about 95% of the "sarcasm" and "joking" goes on between people who have gotten to know each other over months and even years (here and elsewhere). This doesn't generally happen to people who are simply in asking questions or posting revelations. There's absolutely no reason to feel threatened coming over and posting in this forum.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 17, 2010, 02:24:58 AM
Welcome to the forum jdurose.

The AHA forum as well as TT provide exclusive and cutting edge knowledge and information on homebrewing as a craft.  I read TT emails as often as I can and find them to be very helpful.  The forum is a dynamic entity that enables one to search, read and learn from the huge amount of information that the forum has generated in less than only one year.

I think if given a chance you'll find the AHA forum to be your "go to" resource for your homebrewing needs.  There are users that frequent here on a daily basis as well as some that interact less frequently and others anywhere inbetween.  Most come here to learn and inquire while some like to help others.  I find that some of our members here have a keen sense of humor which I find to be a benefit because not only is it funny but it lightens the mood as well.

Hope to see you back soon.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: freddy2 on August 17, 2010, 03:03:56 AM
I just joined the forum, so I know nothing about TT. Not even sure how to get there. However, there's a lot of knowledge here, and the pub seems fun as well, just not a lot of participation right now.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: richara on August 18, 2010, 12:17:46 AM
I've searched but can not find out how to subscribe to TT. I'd guess that's something that comes with the membership card I've never gotten? (no vote from me)

I let my AHA membership lapse a while back, and when I rejoined I also had a difficult time trying to get signed up for TechTalk.  I ended up just sending an email to ahamoderator@brewersassociation.org and was on the list the next day.  I recommend signing up now, so you can see how great TT is/was before it gets canceled.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: piratebrewer on August 18, 2010, 12:36:14 AM
I was in favor of keeping TT but after spending a little time with the forum and learning how to use it I think I like this better.  It seems to be easy to use and well organized.  The users here also seem to be friendly which is not always the case with other forums when people are not identified.  I just need to figure out how to search on key words and I'll be set.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 18, 2010, 12:43:25 AM
I just need to figure out how to search on key words and I'll be set.

Look at the top of each page.  There's a line "Home  Help Search..."  Just click on search and you've got a wealth of options.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 18, 2010, 01:19:39 AM
I was in favor of keeping TT but after spending a little time with the forum and learning how to use it I think I like this better.  It seems to be easy to use and well organized.  The users here also seem to be friendly which is not always the case with other forums when people are not identified.  I just need to figure out how to search on key words and I'll be set.

Welcome to tha AHA Forum.

I'm glad you like it here.  I think you'll be surprised at the wealth of info and knowledgable folks that frequent here on a regular basis.  I look forward to sharing shop talk with you.


Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: piratebrewer on August 18, 2010, 02:24:19 AM
Thanks for the tips.  I have had a few questions nagging at me (no big priority) and I've found most of what I was looking for already. 
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 18, 2010, 05:16:04 PM
I was in favor of keeping TT but after spending a little time with the forum and learning how to use it I think I like this better.  It seems to be easy to use and well organized.  The users here also seem to be friendly which is not always the case with other forums when people are not identified.  I just need to figure out how to search on key words and I'll be set.

I'd just like to say welcome and that your comments just made my day!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: charlie on August 19, 2010, 12:02:27 AM
I've been getting Tech Talk since I rejoined AHA in '08, but frankly don't get a lot from it. The brewing forum provided better info in a more timely fashion.

When Gary sent the e-mail about discontinuing Tech Talk I responded on the list approving the decision, and got a raft of e-mails critical of my parentage and motives. Going over the previously ignored Tech Talk issues I was frankly amazed to read that people were bitter about it, and considering quitting the org, as though Tech Talk was the AHA!

I suppose that AHA could seem remote and aloof to some, merely a magazine and a yearly money grab, but AHA was there for me in the '80s before Tech Talk came along, and they were there for me in March of this year when Gary put the case for Louisiana's HB 1484 which regularized the status of homebrew in Louisiana.

When the smoke cleared we had won the day (Praise the Lord!), and it was Gary and the AHA legal team that did it as much as anyone. So the AHA is not a faceless, nameless money grab to me, and I'm proud to be a part of it (but I wish I could get my old number back!).

Charlie (#15052)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: hopaddicted on August 19, 2010, 02:43:16 AM
Based on what I've read about TT and my experience here, it seems like TT still has a piece at the table. I have seen lots of topics go unanswered, so TT provides another outlet for the information. Though other sites may be available, if you do not regularly spend time on them you do not have a feel for knowledge levels of people responding to you.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: ragnorok on August 19, 2010, 11:22:31 PM
Tech Talk should stay for a couple of reasons.  First it is an easy to use system compared to the mess that all forums are.  This may be well organized to some people, but not to everyone.  Second, as soon as they take thier eyes off of what gets posted we will be hip deep in ads for either porn, penis enlargement, get-rich-quick schemes or all of the above.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: dbeechum on August 19, 2010, 11:34:17 PM
Second, as soon as they take thier eyes off of what gets posted we will be hip deep in ads for either porn, penis enlargement, get-rich-quick schemes or all of the above.

Not a chance, we moderators are eagle eyed and move all that stuff to a private forum for our own use. huh? :)

Seriously, we have a fleet of volunteer mods and we're quick on thr trigger and we're well spread out timewise.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 20, 2010, 12:23:46 PM
Second, as soon as they take thier eyes off of what gets posted we will be hip deep in ads for either porn, penis enlargement, get-rich-quick schemes or all of the above.

You say that like it's a bad thing  ;).

If by some miniscule chance something like that does get by the moderator, everyone on the forum can click the link to "Report to Moderator" so that it is flagged.  I've done it several times on other forums.

And finally, I just unsubscribed from Tech Talk...just haven't gotten much from it over the last few months and especially the past couple weeks with some of the insults and remarks.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 20, 2010, 12:31:20 PM
Second, as soon as they take thier eyes off of what gets posted we will be hip deep in ads for either porn, penis enlargement, get-rich-quick schemes or all of the above.

Yeah, that's a terrible excuse. Not going to say you won't ever seen something like that here but it will be cleaned up quickly, I can promise you that. We've had a few spam attacks and we have been all over it before most of you ever saw a thing. And had a few reported to us from users as well (thanks guys/gals).
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bonjour on August 20, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
We won't even allow a blatant advertisement for brewing software or equipment, even if we like or support the product (may be mentioned in support of another topic, so no flooding over here.

Feel free to use the Report to moderator on any suspected post.  just state why but no matter what we will look into it.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 20, 2010, 12:50:54 PM
I consider it to be like junk my that I get in my mail box on a regular basis.  It immediately gets filed into "File 13"

Spam posts will get deleted as soon as they are identified.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: kgs on August 20, 2010, 02:30:29 PM
Second, as soon as they take thier eyes off of what gets posted we will be hip deep in ads for either porn, penis enlargement, get-rich-quick schemes or all of the above.

Not a chance, we moderators are eagle eyed and move all that stuff to a private forum for our own use. huh? :)

Seriously, we have a fleet of volunteer mods and we're quick on thr trigger and we're well spread out timewise.

If it makes any difference, when I led a large (9,000+) discussion group from moderated to unmoderated status about a decade ago, this was a great concern, but it didn't pan out. Moderation after the fact works out pretty well in many cases, especially where there are strong volunteers as there are here.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bobburchler on August 20, 2010, 02:56:04 PM
Based on what I'm reading here, TT should stay. A lot of people still use it, so why not?
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 20, 2010, 03:41:03 PM
A lot of people still use it, so why not?

There's more to it than that.  Yeah, people still use it but it's costing way too much money.  Drew posted a request for help with cheaper alternatives but I don't know how that's going.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 20, 2010, 03:57:21 PM
Second, as soon as they take thier eyes off of what gets posted we will be hip deep in ads for either porn, penis enlargement, get-rich-quick schemes or all of the above.

I don't know who you think "they" are, but as "one of them", that ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: lom718 on August 20, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Personally, I love TechTalk, the reason being that I generally read it as a digest on my Droid. The Forum doesn't work so well on my phone, I like the 15-20 minutes I spend every afternoon/evening reading posts and learning new things (I would've never thought of Rhubarb beer otherwise). Is there a daily digest feed that I could subscribe to through the Forum?? I am so bad about regularly checking website, I do much better if I get a reminder email (with the information I need/want in it).
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: deaconbluez on August 20, 2010, 05:31:11 PM
It took me a considerable amount of time to login and find this discussion to post and I still am not sure if I posted as response to another post or I am adding. Can't find the poll. PLEASE KEEP TECH TALK!!!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: stoptime on August 20, 2010, 05:45:53 PM
So I registered to vote on this poll. It is most confusing is that you need to login to both the AHA main site, and then login *again* to the forum. It's not a transparent operation and seriously fails on a UX scale - a registration/login process should not be so convoluted, and I think you'd be seeing a lot more votes if it wasn't. As someone in the field, I realize that system/database integration isn't everyone's cup of tea - so let's just put that on the wish list.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: weithman5 on August 20, 2010, 05:46:50 PM
(I would've never thought of Rhubarb beer otherwise).
i personally have brought up rhubarb twice in the forum.  it started after eating a rhubarb jelly and peanut butter sandwich with rye bread.  and shortly after that found a recipe with rye and rhubarb.  so even something that off the wall is in the forum.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: lom718 on August 20, 2010, 05:50:55 PM
(I would've never thought of Rhubarb beer otherwise).
i personally have brought up rhubarb twice in the forum.  it started after eating a rhubarb jelly and peanut butter sandwich with rye bread.  and shortly after that found a recipe with rye and rhubarb.  so even something that off the wall is in the forum.

I know this stuff is on here, it's a matter of me finding it. With TT it just popped into my inbox, no effort required on my end, which I like! I've found a lot of really useful stuff on the Forum, but it's all questions that I have. TT brings to my attention others questions which I may have never thought of - if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: macbrews on August 20, 2010, 06:01:49 PM
It is not a question of either / or, it is a question of whether or not to keep TT.  The forum is a great resource, but I love tech talk.
And I agree about the poll.  Lets have a poll that everyone in tech talk can reply to without going to the forum. The current one is biased towards those who either can find it, or use the forum.

Mac
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: blatz on August 20, 2010, 06:25:25 PM
TT brings to my attention others questions which I may have never thought of - if that makes sense.

If you start using the forum frequently, you will find the "Unread" button gives you the latest of what's been posted since you last logged on - you can then decide what threads look interesting and ignore those that don't.  a little different in the pushing/pulling information debate, but its close.

It took me a considerable amount of time to login and find this discussion to post and I still am not sure if I posted as response to another post or I am adding. Can't find the poll. PLEASE KEEP TECH TALK!!!

so because the first time you got on a bike, you couldn't ride it right away, so you just decided to walk instead?  come on.  it may take a little getting used to, but what doesn't?  it will become second nature to you once you use it a few times.

to be quite honest, I am an AHA member and had never heard of TT until all this ruckus stirred up.  then when I went to go sign up for it to see what it is all about, I can't find where to sign up - I guess TT should be nixed because I can't find it  ;).

Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: 4jhds on August 20, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
Tech Talk has been great over the years. I see no reason to abandon the format. I enjoy the ease with which I can access topics of interest and skip over items of little interest to me. I have never posted on the site but review and view it faithfully when received. I would probably not be counted in any poll of viewers because I have not posted. This does NOT mean I don't read and appreciate the questions and answers given.
   I recently attended an AHA rally and signed up for another two years. I now wish I had waited for awhile to see what becomes of Tech Talk before putting down my dollars. Tech Talk is the major reason I am an AHA member.

John- brewing since 1954

"When the beer bubbles the masses forget their troubles"
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: hamiltont on August 20, 2010, 06:40:40 PM
Let's face it.  Human nature dictates that change threatens our comfort zone & the TT subscribers are threatened right now.  It would be unfortunate if some AHA members would drop their membership because TT is dropped.  I can't imagine  many would do that and if they did, well it's really their loss IMO. It's nice to gather input from the masses but ultimately, if TT is too costly to support, the AHA needs to make an "executive" decision & move on.  Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 20, 2010, 06:59:01 PM
Please everyone keep in mind that this is an informal poll, and the final outcome will not necessarily affect what happens to TT one way or the other.  I certainly don't speak for the AHA, but I'm certain that Gary and other AHA staff and directors will take the results into account.  But that doesn't necessarily mean that the outcome of the poll will be the outcome of TT.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Steve on August 20, 2010, 07:19:15 PM
Now that I've used both the Forum and Tech Talk I can weigh in on this. 

I'd like to pose an analogy.  Take your cellphone out of your pocket and look at it.  It's not big and clunky anymore or anything like A. G. Bell intended, but you can still talk to someone.  You can also use it to send and receive text messages, search the web and get your email.  Each generation of Smart Phone gets better and better with technology but you can still use it as it was originally intended... as a phone. 

So let's keep Tech Talk as a "phone" and the Forum as "texting!" both have advantages and disadvantes, likes and dislikes.  I want information and I like both methods.  There's room for both.

Respectfully,
Steve Espach
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: thcbrew on August 20, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
Most definitly they should keep AHA tech talk. It is a big advantage to baing an AHA Member. Not only doe sit allo wus to help eachother, but it creates a network of of like minded individuals that are much stronger as a group. I hate forums, "sifting thourhg the s***" gets old quick and I would lose interest pretty quick as well. I lveo tech talk, it gives me ideas and stimulates m ybrain into creating new ways of doing things and brewing.

Keep it and either charge more for membership (Couldn't be too much spread over 15,000 members could it?) or change the system in which you utilize to send it out. I'm no techie, so I do not have an answer for the latter of my suggestions, but I know there are plenty of techies out there who could take care of this for you guys.

KEEP TECH TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH 1 MORE THING, I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE *********** ANNOYING EMOTICONS ON TECH TALK. Another big advantage over the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edited words, you know the kind fb
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 20, 2010, 07:45:12 PM
Keep it and either charge more for membership (Couldn't be too much spread over 15,000 members could it?)

If, as it should be, only those who actually want TT get charged more then, yes, it probably would be too much.  I see no reason for one dime of my dues going toward keeping TT.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 20, 2010, 07:53:28 PM
OH 1 MORE THING, I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE ********** ANNOYING EMOTICONS ON TECH TALK.

 :o
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: blatz on August 20, 2010, 08:04:51 PM
Most definitly they should keep AHA tech talk. It is a big advantage to baing an AHA Member. Not only doe sit allo wus to help eachother, but it creates a network of of like minded individuals that are much stronger as a group. I hate forums, "sifting thourhg the s***" gets old quick and I would lose interest pretty quick as well. I lveo tech talk, it gives me ideas and stimulates m ybrain into creating new ways of doing things and brewing.


Does Tech Talk correct typos too?   I mean one or two is understandable, but 8 or 9 starts to get annoying to look at too.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 20, 2010, 08:24:08 PM
Most definitly they should keep AHA tech talk. It is a big advantage to baing an AHA Member. Not only doe sit allo wus to help eachother, but it creates a network of of like minded individuals that are much stronger as a group. I hate forums, "sifting thourhg the s***" gets old quick and I would lose interest pretty quick as well. I lveo tech talk, it gives me ideas and stimulates m ybrain into creating new ways of doing things and brewing.

Keep it and either charge more for membership (Couldn't be too much spread over 15,000 members could it?) or change the system in which you utilize to send it out. I'm no techie, so I do not have an answer for the latter of my suggestions, but I know there are plenty of techies out there who could take care of this for you guys.

KEEP TECH TALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH 1 MORE THING, I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE ********** ANNOYING EMOTICONS ON TECH TALK. Another big advantage over the forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can respect your opinion but I disagree with your judgement that TT as opposed to the forum has a much stronger group and more like-minded individuals.  I read TT emails every week and not only do I find as much disparity amongst opinions but I also find varying personalities as well.  Don't get me wrong, I am not playing the forum against TT, but what I am saying is that I believe you are incorrect in that statement.  The forum is a tight nit group of brewers that together have an abundant amount of experience and knowledge.

I have also found after using the forum a few times that it's very well organized and easy to search and navigate. I also think if given a chance you will find this to be a very fine place.

As far as emoticons go...well I don't know what to tell on that one.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: weithman5 on August 20, 2010, 08:45:35 PM
I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE ********** ANNOYING EMOTICONS ON TECH TALK.
watch your f##king language please. oh. the forum corrects for that 8)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 20, 2010, 11:08:30 PM
OH 1 MORE THING, I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE ********** ANNOYING EMOTICONS ON TECH TALK.

 :o


ITS NOT AS BAD AS ALL CAPS THOUGH!!!  ;) :D ;D :o 8)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: soulrebel on August 21, 2010, 02:21:29 AM
Sorry guys, but TechTalk is outdated. This format is where its at! (or the bee's knees for the older crowd.) Please take a little while to poke around and learn where all the buttons are, then you will find out that this back and forth format allows for much more in depth discussion.
Cheers,
A Fellow TechTalker
AHA# 1234567890
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 21, 2010, 03:04:48 AM
Welcome to the AHA Forum!

Glad to have you on board soulrebel.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: richara on August 21, 2010, 03:07:48 AM
I have been following this conversation and on TechTalk since Gary first announced the decision on August 2nd, and on this thread since I learned about it a few days later. I applaud all of you that have added constructively to the debate.  There have been a number of good points made on both sides of the issue.  It is unfortunate, however, that the conversation has diminished to the point of hurling insults, profanity, all cap screaming, and emoticons at each other.  I hope the conversation can return to a respectful and productive debate, and that it will lead to a solution that the AHA membership can all (or at least mostly) feel comfortable with.  Unfortunately, I do not have the technical experience to help craft a replacement for TechTalk, but I know that many of you do, and I hope that you will take advantage of the leadership's invitation for suggestions.  One suggestion that has been offered by many members is to actually allow them the option of paying for TechTalk.  Even if there are only 2500 people reading TechTalk regularly (I suspect there are more), it would not take much to make TechTalk self-supportive.  Personally, I find TechTalk to be the most valuable aspect of my membership, and would happily give up my subscription to Zymurgy if it would help save TechTalk.  While there may be a technical solution for replacing TechTalk, I hope the leadership will consider additional fundraising options as well.  

Remember, suggestions can be sent to www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/aha-governing-committee

Andrew Richardson
Bellingham, WA
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 21, 2010, 03:19:55 AM
Hi Andrew,  you have presented the most respectful response I've heard in this thread.

It is my hope that regardless of what the outcome to this serious issue may be that you keep in mind that we here at the AHA Forum will be here for you and for all to address your concerns ans issues in regards to homebrewing as a craft.

I truly believe that this forum has set the standard for homebrewing and will continue to do so.

Hope to see you posting.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: majorvices on August 21, 2010, 10:50:57 AM
 It is unfortunate, however, that the conversation has diminished to the point of hurling insults, profanity, all cap screaming, and emoticons at each other.

In my best dean Martin. "Just trying to have a little fun folks."  ;) Seriously though, I used to think emoticons were 7th grade high school girl stuff. But then I realized they can be the difference between someone being insulted by a comment and someone realizing that a comment was made in a light hearted jest. And, in all honesty, we can get very serious when talking about beer and brewing here. But we also like to have fun with each other. Never in a hostile way. Never in a mean spirited way. Certainly sometimes in a goofy way. I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive, it is certainly not meant to be. OTOH if someone finds an emoticon offensive it may be time to HAHB.   8)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: brushvalleybrewer on August 21, 2010, 03:29:22 PM
I curse like a sailor in person, but realize there are others who do not and it is super simple to type and convey a point without the use of words you would not say under ALL circumstances.

That’s funny. I do the same thing. I don’t think I’m so bad, but my comparison is my wife, who curses like a drunken sailor, but I did get a private chat about my language at work, so it must be true.

When you type out a post, you get a chance to see what you’ve said before anybody else does. The preview button is easy enough to use.  ;)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: thcbrew on August 23, 2010, 08:15:31 PM
From my experience here at the forum, if Tech Talk is scrubbed I will not renew my membership; and seek out other mebers to do the same. I could be myslf and allow my full spectrum of emotion (Which is me!) to shine through in Tech Talk, however, here with hypocritical moderators deleting certain posts that are in violation of the rules; but letting others go unchecked. Deleting posts even if they don't violate any rules, and being such a censored medium. I cannot trust a medium that is censored; it is not 100% of what is ogoing on or how people feel, and choose to convey themselves. I said one obscenity and was attacked by mulitple people. Was my obscenity any less or more offending than being attacked? Even a moderator/administrator was being rude regarding my spelling errors; isn't that flaming; and against the rules?

Keep tech talk, because this forum is just like all the others out there, nothing new, nothing different. TEch talk was something different; and without it; AHA is going to feel a fiscal pinch.

Never have I been so disenfranchised from the AHA; I have donated plenty of time and money to many events and it is unsettling to know that my money and time has gone into this type of censored totally un free forum. Just rediculous to think the techtalkers would transition from a free-medium to a complettely closed loop censored controlled medium. The AHA Committe is going to get verbaly attacked at GABF; so be ready for a bunch of pissed of people who pay for your association to exist!

Good day to this closed minded, freedom hating forum.

Are we so childish and closeminded that we cannot look past a few four letter words; being used to convey emotions; not being hurled as insults? Really? So pathetic...

I think 64% of members saying it is a majority of the reason for membership speaks for itself; and you will either choose to listen, or ignore us.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: chumley on August 23, 2010, 11:17:13 PM
Typical TechTalk post:

"Hello.  I am new to brewing, and I am trying to clone Grand Island Brewing Company's Kiwi Lime Rye Ale.  When in the boil do I add the yeast?

Also, does anyone know of good brewpubs in Frostbite Falls, Minnesota?"
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: rabid_dingo on August 23, 2010, 11:53:40 PM
... and it is unsettling to know that my money and time has gone into this type of censored totally un free forum. Just rediculous to think the techtalkers would transition from a free-medium to a complettely closed loop censored controlled medium. ...

Wow. From what I understand there was(is) a moderator for Tech Talk that edits and post everything in
the email before it goes out. There probably wasn't anything that needed to be censored (edited)but I am
sure it was. This forum is run by the same set of folks as Tech Talk, what makes you think they chose to
moderate the AHA forum and not edit (censor) Tech Talk.  They are not mutually exclusive groups. The
forum participants includes AHA members that could post to tech talk. And what may be the point of
contention for thcbrew is that the public is invited to participate in the Forum and it is not an exclusive group.

The involvement of the public, in anything, calls for some guidance. In this forum particularly there
is a set of rule that all must follow. I don't miss anything by following them. And neither will anyone else. Bottom
line, it think the forum is self censoring for the most part, but thankfully there are moderators to make sure
nothing superfluous gets through.

thcbrew, please don't feel unwelcome here. You will find that many AHA members participate here and at TT and
the information is just as good. Not delivered the same way, but the info remains top notch.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Michael Thompson on August 26, 2010, 08:52:59 PM
You will find that many AHA members participate here and at TT and
the information is just as good. Not delivered the same way, but the info remains top notch.

You may be right Ruben, but the information is harder to find in an online forum, partly because of the volume, and partly because of the noise. With TechTalk, I get one message a day, I scan the Table of Contents, and read any messages I find interesting, and I'm done. It comes to me, I don't have to go looking for it or remember to check it.

On the Forum, I go to a web site and I'm presented with twenty-five different boards and four additional child boards. There's no Table of Contents, I have to click on each board name to see what messages have arrived since I last checked. Somebody starts a thread, and lots of good information is presented, then it starts to degenerate into off-topic stuff, or answers that say the same thing that's already been said. No way to tell without drilling down several levels into the discussion, then you have to come back out to the main menu for the next thread.

A lot of people like forums, but some of us prefer the push of an e-mail list over the pull of a forum, and the more manageable format of one simple message over hundreds of disparate messages in two dozen different categories. I didn't join the Forum until I was forced by the demise of TechTalk, just for these reasons. I'm not a Troglodyte or a technophobe, I just happen to prefer push instead of pull. Same reason I don't bother with many RSS feeds, you have to go looking for it.

It's not that big a deal, I won't resign my membership over it, but AHA really ought to keep in mind how many people will, and why some of us would just rather have an e-mail list than a forum. Discussion on the Forum seems to favor the Forum, and that's no surprise, since it's coming from those who chose to be on the Forum, but there are others of us out here too.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: blatz on August 26, 2010, 08:55:27 PM
I have to click on each board name to see what messages have arrived since I last checked.

not true - use the "unread" button in the upper right hand corner.

oh and welcome to the forum - stay a while - it might grow on ya  ;)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Michael Thompson on August 28, 2010, 02:42:59 AM
I do not see an "unread" button. Am I looking in the wrong place? Here's a screenshot of what I see when I log in.

(http://www.dorascuil.com/img/screenshot.jpg)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Michael Thompson on August 28, 2010, 02:45:28 AM
Oh, and thanks for the welcome Paul. I will stay around, though I still prefer an e-mail forum to a web based one.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 28, 2010, 03:01:12 AM
When you click on those yellow mailboxes you will see only unread posts.

Then you can click on blue "new" button to read from where you left off.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tygo on August 28, 2010, 03:02:27 AM
Yeah, but there should be the "Unread" link blatz was referring to.  It should be right under "Welcome back, Michael Thompson".  That's where it is for me as I sit here looking at my screen.  We'll need the admins to weigh in on this one.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on August 28, 2010, 03:06:42 AM
Yeah, but there should be the "Unread" link blatz was referring to.
I learn everyday something new.
Thank you
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bonjour on August 28, 2010, 03:16:56 AM
It should be right under "Welcome back, Michael Thompson". but it is not there

what browser are you using (version number too, and what OS

need to figure this out.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bonjour on August 28, 2010, 03:28:23 AM
OK
it looks like you are browsing with IE5.5.  Later versions of IE work fine, or try Chrome, Safari, Firefox, or a later version of IE all work fine

That should fix it.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 28, 2010, 03:10:10 PM
And until you upgrade your browser, you can try just entering the URL directly.  Put...

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?action=unread

...into the address bar at the top of your browser and that should take you to the same place as clicking on the "unread" button.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: gordonstrong on August 28, 2010, 04:01:26 PM
I've also noticed that the unread button can be covered up if you zoom your IE window (control-scroll button); I've seen this on a large-screen Win7 system with IE8 so it's not an old phenomenon.

Click right under your name and see if it brings something up; it might be hidden in the dark brown border.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Michael Thompson on August 28, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
I've been corresponding with Fred by Private Message, but just FYI for the rest of you, I'm using Firefox 3.6.8 on Macintosh OS X 10.4.11.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Michael Thompson on August 28, 2010, 08:49:54 PM
I've also noticed that the unread button can be covered up if you zoom your IE window (control-scroll button); I've seen this on a large-screen Win7 system with IE8 so it's not an old phenomenon.

Click right under your name and see if it brings something up; it might be hidden in the dark brown border.

Actually, that works! Cool, and thanks.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: rabid_dingo on August 29, 2010, 03:05:03 PM
I've also noticed that the unread button can be covered up if you zoom your IE window (control-scroll button); I've seen this on a large-screen Win7 system with IE8 so it's not an old phenomenon.

Click right under your name and see if it brings something up; it might be hidden in the dark brown border.

Actually, that works! Cool, and thanks.

See? Good info just delivered differently. I hope this small sample of help shows the potential of the group here.
Cheers.  ;D
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Michael Thompson on August 30, 2010, 05:03:28 AM
Well, it's better at least. I can use forums, and I do so in several instances. I just prefer e-mail instead. The Forum has a lot of potential, but also way too much content. The work is sifting through all that to find something. The unread button does help a bit.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: gordonstrong on August 30, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
Here's a fast way to use the forums:
1. When you login, have it remember you so you don't have to do it next time
2. Click the "Unread" button to view the list of new topics
3. If you see a topic you want to read, click the "New" button on that topic; it will jump to the first unread post
4. When you're done reading everything interesting to you, click the "Mark all messages as read" link so that the next time you do this, you'll only see things you haven't seen before

Or you could just bookmark the Unread page http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?action=unread (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?action=unread) and jump straight to step #3. Just hit that once a day, and you have a near TechTalk experience.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 30, 2010, 04:03:24 PM
I have to admit that I find it a bit amusing that so many people have talked about being overwhelmed by the volume of info on the forum.  It seems like they're saying they liked TT becasue it was underused and there wasn't that much there.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bonjour on August 30, 2010, 04:16:09 PM
I have to admit that I find it a bit amusing that so many people have talked about being overwhelmed by the volume of info on the forum.  It seems like they're saying they liked TT because it was underused and there wasn't that much there.
I'm glad you voiced that, but those were my thoughts as well.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 30, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
I have to admit that I find it a bit amusing that so many people have talked about being overwhelmed by the volume of info on the forum.  It seems like they're saying they liked TT because it was underused and there wasn't that much there.
I'm glad you voiced that, but those were my thoughts as well.

+1

Good point Denny.

If I am looking for a resource, I generally look for the best one I can find.  If the forum has more info why wouldn't one want to take advantage of that.  Some folks also seem to be overwhelmed with the level and diversity of info. here on the forum. 

I think that if given the opportunity to learn how to navigate around the forum, one would be hard pressed not to come back again and again.

Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: dbeechum on August 30, 2010, 04:23:26 PM
Before too many people go down the "weird" path - I'll point out the counter argument. TT had lower content volume, but the signal to noise ratio is/was much better on TT.

The forum is great for fostering a sense of community, largely because everyone on here can be a chatty cathy without folks going cross eyed. TT and other email groups inherently self-whittle and with the exception of strong personalities tend to foster a more anonymous community that contributes only when important to them.

Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: susanr on August 30, 2010, 04:28:36 PM
I have to admit that I find it a bit amusing that so many people have talked about being overwhelmed by the volume of info on the forum.  It seems like they're saying they liked TT because it was underused and there wasn't that much there.

Denny,  I think you are misinterpreting the meaning.  It isn't that TT was underused (altho I guess from the forum standards you could consider it that way) but that the information was much more readily available - on TT you do not have to go hunt for anything - it just comes into your e-mail box everyday - you can easily scan the titles to see what is there - those topics of interest can easily be clicked on and you get your brewing fix for the day. It doesn't matter if it is 5 topics or 40 - they are much quicker to scan than the forum is.  I have to admit I really prefer this method - I have been trying to keep up with the forum but I just don't have the time to do so.  Being the brewing junky that I am I have way to many topics that I am interested in now coming into my mailbox - and no time to really focus on any of them.  With TT things do come at a slower pace which many of us like - I don't need to know answers immediately - I like information to come in at a slower pace.  If there is something that I really want information on right away then I would come to a forum or do an internet search.  I think that the forum and TT are two totally different ways of receiving information and I think it is wrong to assume that one is better than the other as that is very dependent on the individual.  TT is better for me - the forum is better for you - but that doesn't make one exclusive to the other - I am sure there are many homebrewers out there that love both and use both.  I will use both (plus HBD) but prefer the TT version overall.

I really hope a solution can be found and TT (or a version of it) can be saved.

Cheers,
Susan


Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 30, 2010, 04:29:49 PM
Before too many people go down the "weird" path - I'll point out the counter argument. TT had lower content volume, but the signal to noise ratio is/was much better on TT.

Yes, very much lower S/N on TT, but still, a very much lower post count in general.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 30, 2010, 04:33:34 PM
Denny,  I think you are misinterpreting the meaning.  It isn't that TT was underused (altho I guess from the forum standards you could consider it that way) but that the information was much more readily available - on TT you do not have to go hunt for anything - it just comes into your e-mail box everyday - you can easily scan the titles to see what is there - those topics of interest can easily be clicked on and you get your brewing fix for the day. It doesn't matter if it is 5 topics or 40 - they are much quicker to scan than the forum is.  I have to admit I really prefer this method - I have been trying to keep up with the forum but I just don't have the time to do so.  Being the brewing junky that I am I have way to many topics that I am interested in now coming into my mailbox - and no time to really focus on any of them.  With TT things do come at a slower pace which many of us like - I don't need to know answers immediately - I like information to come in at a slower pace.  If there is something that I really want information on right away then I would come to a forum or do an internet search.  I think that the forum and TT are two totally different ways of receiving information and I think it is wrong to assume that one is better than the other as that is very dependent on the individual.  TT is better for me - the forum is better for you - but that doesn't make one exclusive to the other - I am sure there are many homebrewers out there that love both and use both.  I will use both (plus HBD) but prefer the TT version overall.

I really hope a solution can be found and TT (or a version of it) can be saved.

Cheers,
Susan




Susan, I agree with you on a day to day basis.  But what about if you recall a topic in TT 6 months back that you want to re-read?  In that case, at least for me, it becomes much easier to search a forum than many back issues of TT.  And I know that because I've kept every TT going back for years so I could search for stuff.  It's quite unwieldy..at least for me.  But as you say, different people have different ways to retrieve and utilize info.  That's why we're working so hard to try to find a replacement/alternative for TT.  We're testing one of those now, and I hope we have good news for TT aficionados soon.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: Hokerer on August 30, 2010, 04:37:55 PM
Before too many people go down the "weird" path - I'll point out the counter argument. TT had lower content volume, but the signal to noise ratio is/was much better on TT.

Yes, very much lower S/N on TT, but still, a very much lower post count in general.

Wouldn't a "better" S/N be "higher"? :)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: susanr on August 30, 2010, 04:56:01 PM
Quote

Susan, I agree with you on a day to day basis.  But what about if you recall a topic in TT 6 months back that you want to re-read?  In that case, at least for me, it becomes much easier to search a forum than many back issues of TT.  And I know that because I've kept every TT going back for years so I could search for stuff.  It's quite unwieldy..at least for me.  But as you say, different people have different ways to retrieve and utilize info.  That's why we're working so hard to try to find a replacement/alternative for TT.  We're testing one of those now, and I hope we have good news for TT aficionados soon.


Denny - maybe that is another difference between the way people that prefer TT to those that prefer the forum - If I remember a topic - or want more info on it - I will just ask about it again - someone else will remember and give me the answer - also there are always new people watching who will benefit from bringing the topic up again.  I don't see a problem with this.  I don't save my TT's and if I did probably wouldn't go back and attempt to read thru them to find the info.  It is just easier to ask again.  This is one thing I do find slightly annoying about the forum - if someone does ask a question that was previously asked - they do seem to get chewed out by someone for not doing a search - not that everyone is impolite - but there is always one.  Maybe because TT was so easy to scan thru the topics and ignore those you aren't interested in no one cared if a question was asked a 2nd (or 3rd) time.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 30, 2010, 04:58:11 PM
Before too many people go down the "weird" path - I'll point out the counter argument. TT had lower content volume, but the signal to noise ratio is/was much better on TT.

Yes, very much lower S/N on TT, but still, a very much lower post count in general.

Wouldn't a "better" S/N be "higher"? :)

As an audio guy, you think I'd get that right.... :-[
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on August 30, 2010, 05:01:01 PM
Denny - maybe that is another difference between the way people that prefer TT to those that prefer the forum - If I remember a topic - or want more info on it - I will just ask about it again - someone else will remember and give me the answer - also there are always new people watching who will benefit from bringing the topic up again.  I don't see a problem with this.  I don't save my TT's and if I did probably wouldn't go back and attempt to read thru them to find the info.  It is just easier to ask again.  This is one thing I do find slightly annoying about the forum - if someone does ask a question that was previously asked - they do seem to get chewed out by someone for not doing a search - not that everyone is impolite - but there is always one.  Maybe because TT was so easy to scan thru the topics and ignore those you aren't interested in no one cared if a question was asked a 2nd (or 3rd) time.

Again, that just points out that different people have different ways to retrieve and utilize info.  That's why we're so insistent on finding a solution that TT users can accept.   And I don't recall anyone getting flamed here for re-asking a question....not that it couldn't happen, but ion general, most people will just post a link to the previous question/answer.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: dbeechum on August 30, 2010, 05:03:55 PM
As an audio guy, you think I'd get that right.... :-[

Yes, but with you being a hippie, we don't expect that much.  ;D
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: bluesman on August 30, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
There's vanilla, chocolate or strawberry.  What's your favorite?

Everyone has a favorite and I can certainly respect that.  We are all different and set in our own unique ways.  Changing the way someone thinks or feels about their favorite things is an unlikely endeavor.

I think that's what it comes down to in regards to this issue.  Everyone has a favorite and most folks will probably remain firm in their comittment to those means. 

It would be great to see all of the regular users of TT join us here on the AHA Forum.  What the future holds for TT is something I can't answer, but it is my hope that one will at least keep the option of joining us here on the AHA Forum open.

 
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: theDarkSide on August 30, 2010, 05:35:10 PM
There's vanilla, chocolate or strawberry.  What's your favorite?

Neopolitan :)
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: gisbrewmaster on August 30, 2010, 08:08:13 PM
I didn't care for TT cause I could follow the history of the tread without saving emails.  Some threads would go on for weeks.  I love the forums as I can pick a topic and read through the whole history. 

I also find it amusing that everyone is complaining that TT was much small and underused so its better.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: jeffy on September 05, 2010, 10:20:43 PM
So I didn't get Tech Talk on Monday the 30th, but did receive it in my email Tuesday the 31st.  That's the last I heard of it.  What happened?  I saw a reference to TT version 2, but so far nothing.  'Just wondering what I missed.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: tschmidlin on September 05, 2010, 10:59:44 PM
V2 will be a few weeks IIRC.  They're working on it, but V1 has been put to bed.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: denny on September 06, 2010, 03:02:55 PM
Yeah, we're still testing the server and software for V2.  AFAIK, there's no firm launch date...it'll go as soon as we're sure it'll work the way we want it to.
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: dragonsfire on September 07, 2010, 06:22:14 PM
I doubt I would use this forum very much. The beauty of Tech Talk was being able to scan the Subjects and sse if there was any applicable interest for the individual.  I am not going to take the time to look through the Forum.
I like the Pimp my system stuff, but as someone who usually posts answers.  My questions go to my NASA engineer turned Brewmaster or my club, which has Chem professors,,,,etc.
Thanks it was fun.....
Title: Re: Should the AHA Keep TechTalk?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on September 07, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
There are instructions above on how to make it like techtalk.  Here goes.
1. Find "unread" in the upper right.  Click it.
2. Look at topics that you might be interested in, just like TT.  Hit the blue "new" button to see the latest post, or click on the title to see all.
3. When done hit 'Mark all as read".
4. Repeat the next time.

This makes it pretty darned quick, and you only sift through what you want.

All the people who don't like the forum might want to give it a chance.  It is a little dynamic, but even an old guy like me has gotten used to it.

I realized this weekend that I don't like texting on the phone, but some people like my sister-inlaw think that is the best way to communicate.  To each their own.