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Title: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 15, 2018, 06:53:12 pm
About a year ago, I set out to construct a professional "German" brewhouse in my basement. While its not completely finished as of yet, it's getting close. I still have the room left to finish, grain storage and delivery, and hop automation left.

I partnered with stout tanks and kettles to come out with a Low Oxygen Brewing specific kettle line, so others could buy these if interested. I designed theses kettles specifically to be optimized for my brewing. So this really is a from scratch build, all the way from designing the kettles, to them being custom built to my specs, etc.

The Vessel specs:

26 gallon HERMS HLT
50ft SS herms coil
Tangential  whirlpool inlet
100% tri clover, sanitary welded and mirror polished inside and out
Bottom Drain
On legs and wheels.
Gasketed and clamped lid
Sample Port
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37337304_1183921815083750_8388942148455628800_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fb87c7b8cd69397a48be3a25a4377afd&oe=5C18EE03)

20 gallon mash tun
100% tri clover, sanitary welded and mirror polished inside and out.
Custom Lautering pipe
Custom hangers inside for a BIAB bag
Bottom drain
On legs and wheels.
Gasketed and clamped lid
Sample Port
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37370440_1183921718417093_1095307331534585856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=4f95699e7b950043ff71dd4c4e46d884&oe=5C19A019)

20 Gallon Boil kettle
100% tri clover, sanitary welded and mirror polished inside and out.
Domed bottom, with trub dam
Tangential whirlpool inlet
On legs and wheels.
Gasketed and clamped lid
Sample Port
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37399508_1183921778417087_2496542911525552128_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=87e96ebf4c8447085076a55de0315b91&oe=5C2311D1)

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37325972_1183921868417078_3868199532785303552_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=57a79a4f8208dbb79d3364372ce0d9c2&oe=5C1F772F)

To control the system, I built a control panel from scratch using a 24" touch screen monitor. I 3d modeled the system from scratch as well, and use that as my background.
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38796878_1210625329080065_727148752170647552_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e38244d11fcd22243f6aafdf85921c83&oe=5C2AE1BA)

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38774645_1210625285746736_3569245632612794368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=1fc37b3db5c50d21309ebfd04571baa0&oe=5C29419F)


Assembled system
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38029528_1198242033651728_8783750145192755200_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c91d67e08868486a5fbc85f696e7fbd5&oe=5C25CBF3)

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38008009_1198561786953086_4174991649488764928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=19d269fd4a584de4e597b587b67c9491&oe=5C302292)

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38770666_1210625319080066_5494677667523330048_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=18c997b22fcb9110c01deb14620abc0e&oe=5C2B4FEF)

The Setup:
The system features roughly 24 electric ball valves
15 solenoid valves
5 proportional valves
4 pumps
8 flow meters
9 temperature sensors
2 Mirco motion mass flow meters, for realtime gravity in the mash tun and boil kettle
Each vessel has its own DO and pH probes.
Each vessel has its own volume sensors
Each vessel has it own Pressure sensors (for monitoring pressure in the vessels)
4 CFC chillers
Each vessel has a dedicated oxygen sensor for o2% in the headspace
Built in acid dosing, and auto ph logic
CIP
RO TDS and replacement automation

I have built the automation scripts from scratch, and as of right now it is nearly 100% automated ( minus grain delivery and hop additions, but thats in progress)

The brewing interface looks like this :
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41962024_1241635472645717_5429686445738557440_o.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=ae4d252f452377de3331b1e627febcd8&oe=5C35AA46)


On brewday, I have a separate page that I upload all the variables to that day of brewing
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41837212_1241635442645720_1756466436642963456_o.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=101e08f414ae1cbe8749927f0799840c&oe=5C342983)

Once I click "Recipe Input", it then goes about its way on brewing.

Which makes it very easy to start brew sessions early in the morning, or even from work, and time it to be home just for hop additions.

Stress free remote brewing:
(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40524709_1233458420130089_8712904925933207552_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ad4948f1c47b57dab725f41ea2f6ff84&oe=5C355E77)

When brewing is done, the fermentation automation takes over with a few stout conicals, and some SS brew buckets.

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36242414_1161636000645665_2298235690124574720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7bc665b058f27ef9782d41890821fad1&oe=5C1A883B)

Again I 3d modeled everything and built the scripts to control it

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41838968_1241635492645715_6108348848248193024_o.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=efdb5a72e4702d77606329d1b52d01b0&oe=5C27D2E5)

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41776858_1241635482645716_5101224943421489152_o.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=4db4e3b1a39dbf8e3ffa362a90c02ebd&oe=5C33CB00)

Once fermentation is nearing completion and since I brew according to the RHG, the system will transfer the beer over to the serving kegs where its using some more custom scripting to "Auto Spund" the kegs based on their temperature and carbonation level desired. It's all dynamic, and no human interaction is needed.

(https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41815199_1241635525979045_5180744270042103808_o.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=e68e26508c466859a75220feaba9ccb5&oe=5C1FD6CD)

I built this brewery because the Continental macro brewers and their technology fascinate me. I have the strictest of standards when it comes to beer, and this system allows me to always reproduce the beer I set out to brew. Automation is one of my favorite things to do, and it allows me to have stress free, and always consistent product.



Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: narvin on September 15, 2018, 07:59:03 pm
About a year ago, I set out to construct a professional "German" brewhouse in my basement. While its not completely finished as of yet, it's getting close. I still have the room left to finish, grain storage and delivery, and hop automation left.

...

Well that's incredible.  Nice job.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: JT on September 15, 2018, 11:51:29 pm
Be VERY careful.  I've seen this before.
 
Seriously though, admirable pursuit (understatement of the year) and much appreciated contributions.  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180915/4e243ef204aaeb262db13bf30ca4d4d0.jpg)
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: JT on September 15, 2018, 11:55:47 pm
Also, when does this hit the shelves?! 
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180916/161592dd6d999b8229df107ae46bac37.jpg)
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 16, 2018, 12:37:52 am
Also, when does this hit the shelves?! 
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180916/161592dd6d999b8229df107ae46bac37.jpg)


It did!

https://conical-fermenter.com/low-oxygen-brewing-systems/?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=New+Product+Alert%21&utm_campaign=20180913_m147156171_NEW+PRODUCT+ALERT%21&utm_term=Low_Ox_Brewing_-_Mash_Step_-_Sept-Oct_newsletter_jpg_3F1536856089


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Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: denny on September 16, 2018, 03:53:21 pm
It's very nice looking and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. But it's not something I'd be interested in.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Robert on September 16, 2018, 04:39:41 pm
It's very nice looking and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. But it's not something I'd be interested in.
That's one of the cool things about the hobby, so much diversity in people and what draws them in.  Bryan is obviously deeply into this engineering aspect of brewing, while I am attracted to the somewhat romantic, hands-on,  craftsman-like thing.  Heck, Denny, I never would have touched that Pico thingy you've got!  And then there are people into hyper-local wild yeast, foraged ingredients, wood, and such....  I surely admire anybody who pursues their passion to this level!  Congratulations,  Bryan.  (Now turn off that soccer match and put some sheetrock up.  ;) )
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Wilbur on September 16, 2018, 07:36:03 pm
Pretty amazing. Also, a lot of work to save yourself some effort! I'm guessing the black box is your glycol chiller?
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: hopfenundmalz on September 17, 2018, 12:30:56 am
I don't have the energy for a build like that. Nice job.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: jeffy on September 17, 2018, 12:52:33 am
I don't have the energy for a build like that. Nice job.
Heck, I wouldn’t even have the time or energy to keep it shiny.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: JT on September 17, 2018, 01:35:10 am
Dont mind me, just stopping back in to look at the pictures for the third time today.  Bottom line: this brewery is awesome.  It may not be for everyone, but damn if it isn't cool when you see someone just pour their heart into a goal.  Well done man, well done!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: RC on September 17, 2018, 05:29:39 am
This is a very beautiful system. I appreciate the passion, expertise, and motivation that went into making it. Even though it's not for me, and I have no desire to have a system like this, I'm envious and amazed! Prost!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 17, 2018, 02:03:39 pm
Thanks all!!!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: reverseapachemaster on September 17, 2018, 03:13:05 pm
What role do the BIAB hooks have for you?
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 17, 2018, 03:35:37 pm
What role do the BIAB hooks have for you?

I mash with a BIAB bag. I like the way it works so I get zero particulate coming though the pipes. I custom made my bag to have a finer mesh so I get some filtering as well. It also makes cleaning a breeze. Lift out bag and CIP takes over. No dumping, scooping, etc.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Big Monk on September 17, 2018, 03:44:24 pm
As someone who gets to be a "fly on the wall" to many of Bryan's plans for things like this, the planning and execution here was nothing short of staggering.

Definitely not for the faint of heart but the results are amazing.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: jeffy on September 17, 2018, 05:17:03 pm
What role do the BIAB hooks have for you?

I mash with a BIAB bag. I like the way it works so I get zero particulate coming though the pipes. I custom made my bag to have a finer mesh so I get some filtering as well. It also makes cleaning a breeze. Lift out bag and CIP takes over. No dumping, scooping, etc.
I was going to ask that as well.
Can you show a clearer picture of the domed bottom and trub shield?  It's so dang shiny I can't see what it looks like.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: a10t2 on September 17, 2018, 05:17:16 pm
Holy krausen. I think that may have cost more than our 7 bbl system... :o
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 17, 2018, 05:35:06 pm
What role do the BIAB hooks have for you?

I mash with a BIAB bag. I like the way it works so I get zero particulate coming though the pipes. I custom made my bag to have a finer mesh so I get some filtering as well. It also makes cleaning a breeze. Lift out bag and CIP takes over. No dumping, scooping, etc.
I was going to ask that as well.
Can you show a clearer picture of the domed bottom and trub shield?  It's so dang shiny I can't see what it looks like.
Sure, This may be easier.
http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/stout-tanks-and-kettles-llc/
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Big Monk on September 18, 2018, 12:39:14 am
It's very nice looking and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. But it's not something I'd be interested in.

Oh Denny.  :-\

Good thing you’re not sponsored by a company that offers multiple automated brewing systems. That would be a shame.  :P
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: hmbrewing on September 18, 2018, 01:25:07 am
My system looks EXACTLY like that!......no it doesn't. Seriously though, that looks incredible. Great job! Any idea how many hours you have into it? Just curious.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: a10t2 on September 18, 2018, 01:39:38 am
Good thing you’re not sponsored by a company that offers multiple automated brewing systems. That would be a shame.  :P

Fundamentally, it seems unfair to me to imply that Denny is a shill for making an innocuous comment, that mentions no competing brand, in a post that is showing off a new commercially-available brewing system. Goose, gander, etc.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Bilsch on September 18, 2018, 04:48:43 am
I would have thought the lazy brewers round here would be all over a system like this.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Slowbrew on September 18, 2018, 10:47:34 am
I would have thought the lazy brewers round here would be all over a system like this.

It's pretty but laziness is offset by cost. 

In a world with unlimited funds I'd likely start down this path, sadly, my two youngest would like to get through college, SWMBO thinks paying off the mortgage and eventually replacing her van would be a good idea and I'd like to retire, someday.  Those dang priorities.   ::)

I love the look but could never bring myself to spend the money.  My blue cooler and turkey burner will have to suffice.  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Big Monk on September 18, 2018, 11:30:28 am
Good thing you’re not sponsored by a company that offers multiple automated brewing systems. That would be a shame.  :P

Fundamentally, it seems unfair to me to imply that Denny is a shill for making an innocuous comment, that mentions no competing brand, in a post that is showing off a new commercially-available brewing system. Goose, gander, etc.

You misunderstood my post. It was in jest that I pointed out how Denny is involved with a product that provides basically a hands off automated brewing experience but wouldn't be interested in a basically hands off automated brewing system. Just messing around.

Also, this isn't a commercially available brewing system. Sure, the kettles are, but the rest of the system is Bryan's idea.

This is a Pimp My System post and as far as I can tell it is literally just Bryan showing off his new system. Maybe that was the confusion. Maybe Denny thought this was a product post.

I would have expected a "Good on ya" or something.  :P
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 18, 2018, 12:43:08 pm
Please, lets not flood this thread with off topic stuff.

FYI full disclosure, the kettles are commercially available because I gave them (stout) the rights. I don't benefit off this in any way shape or form. It was given to them, because of all the people I reached out to, to build these for me. They were easily the best, most talented, and easiest to deal with. Much like everything else we do for free, it's for the greater good. Not in this to make a buck.

So lets please just leave the bickering for other threads. Please.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: denny on September 18, 2018, 02:26:05 pm
It's very nice looking and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. But it's not something I'd be interested in.

Oh Denny.  :-\

Good thing you’re not sponsored by a company that offers multiple automated brewing systems. That would be a shame.  :P

I am not the only one to compliment Bryan on his ingenuity but say it's not for me.  Why single me out? 
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 18, 2018, 02:36:52 pm
You guys.... Please.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: denny on September 18, 2018, 02:48:32 pm
You guys.... Please.

My apologies.  I was kinda shocked to be singled put for what I thought was an innocuous comment.  And I still say, good on ya Bryan.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Big Monk on September 18, 2018, 04:20:44 pm
You guys.... Please.

My apologies.  I was kinda shocked to be singled put for what I thought was an innocuous comment.  And I still say, good on ya Bryan.

It's part my fault. I thought I made it clear my post was in jest and partially tongue in cheek. I am always under the false assumption that Emojis on a post make it instantly not serious.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: JT on September 19, 2018, 03:56:06 am
Rough day at work.  Just back again to look at the pics.  Yep, still awesome. 
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: waltsmalt on September 20, 2018, 12:06:46 am
Really cool.  I’ll add it to my “when I win the lottery” list. 
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Big Monk on September 20, 2018, 11:27:31 am
Really cool.  I’ll add it to my “when I win the lottery” list.

You know, a lot of people say this, but pound for pound (I was fortunate enough to be "on hand" for much of the design and procurement so I got to be a fly on the wall) I would bet my bottom dollar that Bryan didn't spend much more than most people do on a 3 vessel build.

People make the false assumption that complexity = large capital expenditure. That's just not the case. Granted, the Stout vessels might be a bit more expensive than others but the automation and control isn't as expensive as you'd think.

Now the time to build...That's a whole other story that I also got to see as it progressed. I envy the completed product but not the hours and hours and hours that went into it!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: goose on September 20, 2018, 01:45:53 pm
Very nice looking brewery, Bryan!  I too am a gadget guy and am always thinking of improvements for my brewery, but I don't have that kind of energy to take on what you have done.  Congrats!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: klickitat jim on September 20, 2018, 02:14:03 pm
I have a deep appreciation for this post! If the wife starts raising an eyebrow because I'm thinking about getting a new tackle box, or a new fishing rod, or a new boat... I can just show her this brewery and say. "Wow babe, wouldn't THIS be neat?"

Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Big Monk on September 20, 2018, 03:17:16 pm
I have a deep appreciation for this post! If the wife starts raising an eyebrow because I'm thinking about getting a new tackle box, or a new fishing rod, or a new boat... I can just show her this brewery and say. "Wow babe, wouldn't THIS be neat?"



"This just in: Washington native and avid homebrewer found dead this morning. Foul play suspected. Wife is currently a suspect. Tonight on the 6 o'clock news..."
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Slowbrew on September 20, 2018, 04:41:21 pm
Really cool.  I’ll add it to my “when I win the lottery” list.

You know, a lot of people say this, but pound for pound (I was fortunate enough to be "on hand" for much of the design and procurement so I got to be a fly on the wall) I would bet my bottom dollar that Bryan didn't spend much more than most people do on a 3 vessel build.

People make the false assumption that complexity = large capital expenditure. That's just not the case. Granted, the Stout vessels might be a bit more expensive than others but the automation and control isn't as expensive as you'd think.

Now the time to build...That's a whole other story that I also got to see as it progressed. I envy the completed product but not the hours and hours and hours that went into it!

I can see that. 

With my current schedule I'd likely need a line in the Will to say something like "To my children, I leave the automated brewery.  Whichever of you can find the 500 hours left to build it, gets it."
 ;D 8)

Still pretty though. 

Paul
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: chezteth on September 20, 2018, 06:07:06 pm
Wow, that system looks awesome Bryan! Great work!

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Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: klickitat jim on September 21, 2018, 01:03:36 am
I have a deep appreciation for this post! If the wife starts raising an eyebrow because I'm thinking about getting a new tackle box, or a new fishing rod, or a new boat... I can just show her this brewery and say. "Wow babe, wouldn't THIS be neat?"



"This just in: Washington native and avid homebrewer found dead this morning. Foul play suspected. Wife is currently a suspect. Tonight on the 6 o'clock news..."
Too funny

Except she's smart enough to never be a suspect lol
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 25, 2018, 10:14:10 pm
I am late to this party, but damn, that is some impressive work, Bryan! 

I don't think I have the aptitude to set something up with that level of detail, but I have to say, I went whole hog with Low Ox right after the German Brewing group's article a couple (3?) years back and went electric at the same time.  My set up is not to Bryan's level by any means, but with a Stout 18 gallon BIAB set up (basket that I line with a Brew Bag), gasketed mash cap lid (made from a pizza pan) that is fitted with a submerged Locline halo and a 9 gallon Stout HERMS/HLT tun with stainless coil (that was available pre-LowOx days and is still sold by them, I think) and the simple single control EBC 130 Wort Hog from High Gravity, I have made the best beer in my life.  Never looked back.  I pre-boil for driving off the O2 and use the HERMS coil to chill the boiled strike water back to mash temp level and manually switch the electric over to the HERMS element to cover step mashes.  It isn't automated by any stretch (compare to Bryan's system or even a Grainfather), but it works pretty well.

If I could wrap my head around the details in Bryan's system, I would be considering a run at (towards?) that one, for sure.  My next upgrade is going to be butterfly valves, though.  I like the ease of sanitizing them and I am tired of breaking down the ball valves every couple months.

Again, you don't have to go "whole hog" to get much of the benefits of a system like this.  But I am very impressed, indeed at Bryan's initiative.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: BrewBama on September 26, 2018, 01:08:46 pm
... you don't have to go "whole hog" to get much of the benefits of a system like this.  But I am very impressed, indeed at Bryan's initiative.

I agree. Beautiful system. ...and well designed.



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Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on September 26, 2018, 01:15:10 pm
Thanks all..
Update for those who care.

Still tweaking and adding stuff. Hardware wise only 3 things are left.. On the list is Hop additions, grain delivery, and grain storage. I plan on working on these things in that order.

Whats new?

Added pressure sensors to the brewing vessels to monitor pressure for purging and vac.
Added N2 tank solenoid
Added HLT Boil valve
Added BK  Boil valve
Added Mash Bypass valve
Added Fermenter volume sensors (x4) (in anticipation for auto fermenter transfers)
Added more spunding setups (x4)
Added co2 tank monitoring with high pressure sensors, created a dynamic script showing % left (based on temp and pressure), and alarm notifications for leaks and low tanks (x3)
Closed up the Panel
Revised some scripts
Modified my brew buckets for larger valves (x2) (in anticipation for auto fermenter transfers)
I am sure there is more I am forgetting.

Panel Completed:
(https://i.imgur.com/H4mNybu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C4BMNlc.jpg)

Revised Brewing Interface:

(https://i.imgur.com/YHlE0W8.png)

Revised Fermentation interface, Tank volumes in top right
(https://i.imgur.com/tgVgR7E.png)

Fermenter Modification
(https://i.imgur.com/GXxYqqZ.jpg)

Some beers are finally starting to fill the pipeline. They are not quite ready, but close enough to start drinking.
Festbier:
72% Barke pils
20% Barke vienna
8% carahell
24ibu

(https://i.imgur.com/G8KQttt.jpg)

Marzen:
80% Barke Munich
10% Barke Pils
5% carared
5% caraaroma
2oz sinamar (for color)
24ibu
(https://i.imgur.com/ltDJRv1.jpg)

Keller Pils
80% Barke Pils
20% light Munich
45ibu

(https://i.imgur.com/YyMFLLm.jpg)
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Brewtopalonian on September 26, 2018, 03:59:47 pm
Thanks all..
Update for those who care.

Still tweaking and adding stuff. Hardware wise only 3 things are left.. On the list is Hop additions, grain delivery, and grain storage. I plan on working on these things in that order.

Whats new?

Added pressure sensors to the brewing vessels to monitor pressure for purging and vac.
Added N2 tank solenoid
Added HLT Boil valve
Added BK  Boil valve
Added Mash Bypass valve
Added Fermenter volume sensors (x4) (in anticipation for auto fermenter transfers)
Added more spunding setups (x4)
Added co2 tank monitoring with high pressure sensors, created a dynamic script showing % left (based on temp and pressure), and alarm notifications for leaks and low tanks (x3)
Closed up the Panel
Revised some scripts
Modified my brew buckets for larger valves (x2) (in anticipation for auto fermenter transfers)
I am sure there is more I am forgetting.

Panel Completed:
(https://i.imgur.com/H4mNybu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C4BMNlc.jpg)

Revised Brewing Interface:

(https://i.imgur.com/YHlE0W8.png)

Revised Fermentation interface, Tank volumes in top right
(https://i.imgur.com/tgVgR7E.png)

Fermenter Modification
(https://i.imgur.com/GXxYqqZ.jpg)

Some beers are finally starting to fill the pipeline. They are not quite ready, but close enough to start drinking.
Festbier:
72% Barke pils
20% Barke vienna
8% carahell
24ibu

(https://i.imgur.com/G8KQttt.jpg)

Marzen:
80% Barke Munich
10% Barke Pils
5% carared
5% caraaroma
2oz sinamar (for color)
24ibu
(https://i.imgur.com/ltDJRv1.jpg)

Keller Pils
80% Barke Pils
20% light Munich
45ibu

(https://i.imgur.com/YyMFLLm.jpg)


That HEAD THOUGH!!! Holy Head batman!  Looks amazing!  I'm super jealous.  I'm going to school for Mechanical Engineering and thought my Capstone Project might be something similar to this.  Full automation and super shiny!  I love it man!  I want one!  Good job!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: narvin on October 01, 2018, 04:24:30 am
So any suggestions on where to get parts?  In my limited experience sensors, solenoids, valves, and generally anything shiny or even plastic costs an arm and a leg when buying a few at a time.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on October 03, 2018, 12:27:24 pm
So any suggestions on where to get parts?  In my limited experience sensors, solenoids, valves, and generally anything shiny or even plastic costs an arm and a leg when buying a few at a time.

All of mine are from surplus industrial equipment auctions, ebay, and I farmed out to China for a lot of manufacturing.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Wyowolf on October 13, 2018, 12:58:52 pm
Wow... just wow.... any chance of a brief video of this thing in action?
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on November 26, 2018, 08:30:51 pm
Not yet on the videos, still working on finishing the brew room.

A lot of people here have been pm'ing me about my system though, so I threw together a post that details it.

http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/brewing-science-and-technology/the-system/

Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 29, 2018, 12:26:43 pm
Congratulations!  That is beyond compare in the homebrew world (or likely any pro brewery).  You have every reason to be very proud of your work.  And thanks for sharing that with us - it is so impressive and beyond overwhelming to me. 

I have two simple Stout tanks (BIAB kettle and HERMS tank), so my system is fully hands on, but I use most of the oxygen purging steps you developed to achieve real improvements in my Beers.  So thanks for putting that out there, too!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on November 29, 2018, 02:33:53 pm
Congratulations!  That is beyond compare in the homebrew world (or likely any pro brewery).  You have every reason to be very proud of your work.  And thanks for sharing that with us - it is so impressive and beyond overwhelming to me. 

I have two simple Stout tanks (BIAB kettle and HERMS tank), so my system is fully hands on, but I use most of the oxygen purging steps you developed to achieve real improvements in my Beers.  So thanks for putting that out there, too!

Thanks!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: egibert on December 05, 2018, 03:55:12 pm
What parts did you use for modifying the valves of the brew bucket?
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on January 02, 2019, 04:48:01 pm
State of the State with the interfaces and whatnot.

(https://i.imgur.com/dDJpQSf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RaIgO6I.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OfExlzE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/marDObV.png)
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: HopDen on January 02, 2019, 11:59:46 pm
This has to be, hands down, the best!#@$%#! basement brew system I've ever seen in person or online. Absolutely stunning what you have built! I'm humbled at the sight of it. WELL DONE!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on January 08, 2019, 10:24:23 pm
This has to be, hands down, the best!#@$%#! basement brew system I've ever seen in person or online. Absolutely stunning what you have built! I'm humbled at the sight of it. WELL DONE!

Thanks!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on January 08, 2019, 10:24:49 pm
Just added automatic hopping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptmNEXj7WYQ
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Robert on January 08, 2019, 11:54:19 pm
Just added automatic hopping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptmNEXj7WYQ
"Pretty darn neat,"  he says.  Because I think we've all really just run out of words here.  ;D

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Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: JT on January 10, 2019, 01:09:48 am
Pretty darn neat indeed.  Well done man!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: bmc1313 on April 17, 2019, 04:00:46 pm
Any chance of seeing the original pictures? None of the ones in the first post will load for me.  :-\
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on April 24, 2019, 04:45:47 pm
Any chance of seeing the original pictures? None of the ones in the first post will load for me.  :-\

http://www.lowoxygenbrewing.com/brewing-science-and-technology/the-system/
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on June 09, 2019, 12:49:08 pm
Did some streaming vids of the system working. 

https://youtu.be/vZp_9EloqPk


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Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: HopDen on June 09, 2019, 03:39:04 pm
By far, this is the baddest ass system ever!
Good show!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: The Beerery on June 15, 2019, 01:58:36 pm
Brewing a Kolsch today and live streaming it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1XPQC7NdLQ
https://www.facebook.com/thebeerery/videos/2735930569814250/
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: coolman26 on June 25, 2019, 01:29:02 pm
What role do the BIAB hooks have for you?

I mash with a BIAB bag. I like the way it works so I get zero particulate coming though the pipes. I custom made my bag to have a finer mesh so I get some filtering as well. It also makes cleaning a breeze. Lift out bag and CIP takes over. No dumping, scooping, etc.

I'm not sure how I missed this.  I remember when you were talking about working with Stout.  I'm always blown away with people and their abilities.  I too agree on the BIAB bag.  I had one custom made for my MT and love it.  The filtering is fantastic, but second to the ease of cleaning up.  Until you talked about it, I had never thought about the other uses.  Really nice work Bryan!  Back to my manual ball valve controls.  :-\
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: fredthecat on February 16, 2021, 06:45:38 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/QIZM095.jpg)

lol the text on the window (dude, please just take some german lessons) and just the whole idea. i dont want to troll here, but can you imagine the reaction to someone in his basement (yes this is a basement in a house lol) touching something or playing with some object in this room. "what does this thingy do?"

i wonder if this "brewery" is capable of making an english bitter or will he not allow that?
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: BrewBama on February 16, 2021, 08:43:17 pm
I love German recipes. Three main ingredients (Pils, Munich, Vienna) in different proportions to create completely different beers.


Some beers are finally starting to fill the pipeline. They are not quite ready, but close enough to start drinking.
Festbier:
72% Barke pils
20% Barke vienna
8% carahell
24ibu

(https://i.imgur.com/G8KQttt.jpg)

Marzen:
80% Barke Munich
10% Barke Pils
5% carared
5% caraaroma
2oz sinamar (for color)
24ibu
(https://i.imgur.com/ltDJRv1.jpg)

Keller Pils
80% Barke Pils
20% light Munich
45ibu

(https://i.imgur.com/YyMFLLm.jpg)


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Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: chinaski on February 18, 2021, 09:02:48 pm
i dont want to troll here, but
It's pretty easy NOT to troll.  And yet...

To each their own- we all brew, build, design for different reasons.  No reason to poo poo someone who puts up some photos that they are proud of.  Its all good.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: fredthecat on February 18, 2021, 10:32:43 pm
i dont want to troll here, but
It's pretty easy NOT to troll.  And yet...

To each their own- we all brew, build, design for different reasons.  No reason to poo poo someone who puts up some photos that they are proud of.  Its all good.

the key thing i want to point out is that the likely very expensive customized window has grammatically incorrect german on it. and he has vids of him doing the lederhosen and sorta cringey stereotype stuff. idk just kinda funny to me.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Bilsch on February 19, 2021, 04:55:57 am
the key thing i want to point out is that the likely very expensive customized window has grammatically incorrect german on it. and he has vids of him doing the lederhosen and sorta cringey stereotype stuff. idk just kinda funny to me.

Look past the window at that shiny stainless thing there.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Richard on February 19, 2021, 05:24:10 am
the key thing i want to point out is that the likely very expensive customized window has grammatically incorrect german on it. and he has vids of him doing the lederhosen and sorta cringey stereotype stuff. idk just kinda funny to me.

Look past the window at that shiny stainless thing there.
The table?
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Bilsch on February 19, 2021, 06:02:51 am
I wouldn't blame anyone who mistook that for a brewery but it's actually a brewing science laboratory. That piece of equipment can measure and record in real time all the parameters of a brewday. Temperature, pressure, flow, gravity, pH, wort color, dissolved oxygen etc. It's function is not just to produce beer but more importantly data. Data one can look back though in order to answer a lot of questions and solve problems brewers struggle to figure out and waste a lot of time on. For instance it can tell the pressure differential between the top of the mash and the bottom in order to look at the effects of different crushes on the flow through the column. It has variable speed pumps that can try different flows at different rest temps looking for best efficiency or quality on the wort. It doses acid into the mash as needed and can change on the fly. It can tell you what flow is best for the underlet and how temperature of the strike water effects that. It tracks the dissolved oxygen at multiple points and can determine antioxidant consumption during the mash program. How small changes in mash pH can effect the enzymes and efficiency. What point in the process does different pH make a difference. What is the best temperature step profile to maximize the malt enzymes and foam proteins. And many other interesting details like how much O2 is picked up by the wort while raising temperature to boil. How does heat stress effect the wort color and how much power does it actually take to actually generate a decent boil and how that effects heat stress. How inline oxygenation compared to direct injection and how it effects the final Do number. How fast yeast scavenge that oxygen during the lag phase. How fast the pH drops, what is the timing between the two. And so many more things I can't even remember at the moment.

But most importantly, at least to me, unlike commercial breweries who keep this kind of information to themselves for any business advantage, this brewery's owner shares all of this data and experience. It has taught me a wealth of things I would not have otherwise known about the process of brewing.

Remember sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: fredthecat on February 19, 2021, 02:13:42 pm
I wouldn't blame anyone who mistook that for a brewery but it's actually a brewing science laboratory. That piece of equipment can measure and record in real time all the parameters of a brewday. Temperature, pressure, flow, gravity, pH, wort color, dissolved oxygen etc. It's function is not just to produce beer but more importantly data. Data one can look back though in order to answer a lot of questions and solve problems brewers struggle to figure out and waste a lot of time on. For instance it can tell the pressure differential between the top of the mash and the bottom in order to look at the effects of different crushes on the flow through the column. It has variable speed pumps that can try different flows at different rest temps looking for best efficiency or quality on the wort. It doses acid into the mash as needed and can change on the fly. It can tell you what flow is best for the underlet and how temperature of the strike water effects that. It tracks the dissolved oxygen at multiple points and can determine antioxidant consumption during the mash program. How small changes in mash pH can effect the enzymes and efficiency. What point in the process does different pH make a difference. What is the best temperature step profile to maximize the malt enzymes and foam proteins. And many other interesting details like how much O2 is picked up by the wort while raising temperature to boil. How does heat stress effect the wort color and how much power does it actually take to actually generate a decent boil and how that effects heat stress. How inline oxygenation compared to direct injection and how it effects the final Do number. How fast yeast scavenge that oxygen during the lag phase. How fast the pH drops, what is the timing between the two. And so many more things I can't even remember at the moment.

But most importantly, at least to me, unlike commercial breweries who keep this kind of information to themselves for any business advantage, this brewery's owner shares all of this data and experience. It has taught me a wealth of things I would not have otherwise known about the process of brewing.

Remember sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees.

that is true. really valid points. i do imagine he makes excellent specialized beer, but it is a funny example of extreme obsession for me. though i imagine a lot of people here have an obsession to varying degrees.

thats why i like this place, a lot of extremely knowledgeable people.

Sorry Beerery!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: HopDen on February 19, 2021, 05:00:48 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: denny on February 19, 2021, 05:06:11 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!

See, I'd have to disagree with that.  I don't see bigger, more complex systems as necessarily better.  If others do,  no problem.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: jeffy on February 19, 2021, 05:45:47 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!

See, I'd have to disagree with that.  I don't see bigger, more complex systems as necessarily better.  If others do,  no problem.
From what Bilsch says above, it's less about homebrew and more about science and experimentation.  it's fancier than even some of the most sophisticated breweries and pretty cool that he can afford the time and money for such a project.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: HopDen on February 19, 2021, 06:13:20 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!

See, I'd have to disagree with that.  I don't see bigger, more complex systems as necessarily better.  If others do,  no problem.

To be fair, I never said that it made a better product. The subjective quality end product is from the brewer not necessarily the brewery. I think we know a lot of guys who made award winning beers from a gott cooler and a keggle, yourself included. Just saying.

Cheers!!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: denny on February 19, 2021, 06:19:00 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!

See, I'd have to disagree with that.  I don't see bigger, more complex systems as necessarily better.  If others do,  no problem.

To be fair, I never said that it made a better product. The subjective quality end product is from the brewer not necessarily the brewery. I think we know a lot of guys who made award winning beers from a gott cooler and a keggle, yourself included. Just saying.

Cheers!!

No problem...I wasn't referring to the end product.  For me, that's a secondary goal.  But we all have our own reasons.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Richard on February 19, 2021, 09:42:40 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!

See, I'd have to disagree with that.  I don't see bigger, more complex systems as necessarily better.  If others do,  no problem.
From what Bilsch says above, it's less about homebrew and more about science and experimentation.  it's fancier than even some of the most sophisticated breweries and pretty cool that he can afford the time and money for such a project.
I am retired now but before that when I wanted to do science and experimentation using fancy equipment I went to work. When I came home I wanted something different.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Bilsch on February 19, 2021, 09:52:01 pm
There are at least 5 of these Stout Brucontrol based systems of varying level of installed data gathering sensors now in operation and people get really interesting ideas all the time on what to test. For example, in the past brewers have wondered and tried to calculate/guess, how long it takes for ferment CO2 to bring an empty keg down to zero oxygen. So someone with a system like this and the probes decided to actually test how long it took. He had O2 sensors in the keg and one in the outflow stream just to be sure the data was good. Now we know the actual answer, not just a guess. We also know how long it actually takes the yeast DO method to scavenge all the O2 in the strike water, what is the best dose of yeast and sugar and how do different temperatures effect that speed. Also how long the water will hold at zero DO. Another guy also has a nitrogen generator and set out to find out how long it takes to purge the grist to zero DO. We also found out how many purge/fill cycles is takes a beer gun type filler to bring a bottle down to zero DO. Currently there is a lot of work going on about getting the most out of grain enzymes and improving attenuation. These are just a few examples of the mounds of data that is amassing.

It used to be when you asked a question on a brewing forum about some process, the best answer you could get was, "I tried that but didn't notice any difference".
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: BrewBama on February 19, 2021, 10:10:49 pm
Y’all should write a book.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Richard on February 19, 2021, 11:26:02 pm
...
It used to be when you asked a question on a brewing forum about some process, the best answer you could get was, "I tried that but didn't notice any difference".

That seems to be the standard Brulosophy conclusion. They try lots of things and few of their tasters appear to notice the difference.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Megary on February 20, 2021, 12:12:34 am
Y’all should write a book.

LODO for Dummies would be right up my alley!  :)
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 20, 2021, 12:35:46 am
Y’all should write a book.
I would buy it.

Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Bilsch on February 20, 2021, 12:57:46 am
Couple problems with that. It's not any single persons data to sell, it belongs to everyone who participated. And a book would go against the idea of communally sharing the knowledge. Besides (IMO) it's an outdated communication method that does not work well with dynamic topics that are constantly being refined and updated.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: majorvices on February 20, 2021, 04:17:40 pm
I said it earlier and Ill say it again! THAT IS THE BADDEST BAD ASS HOME BREW SET UP I HAVE EVER LAID MY JEALOUS EYES ON! We all have our degree of obsession with our own hobbies and this guy is at the apex of homebrewing systems, ever!!

Good for you Sir!

See, I'd have to disagree with that.  I don't see bigger, more complex systems as necessarily better.  If others do,  no problem.
From what Bilsch says above, it's less about homebrew and more about science and experimentation.  it's fancier than even some of the most sophisticated breweries and pretty cool that he can afford the time and money for such a project.

It's an awesome brewery/lab/whatever. I have worked on two different 30 bbl brew house breweries that have colandria/3 vessel/steam/etc. that also had inhouse labs and the brew house/labs that were no where near as complex as what is going on here from what I can tell. If he's got the money and the passion why the hell not? Not sure why anyone would be anything but impressed by this.

Personally if I had that bank roll to spend I would unload it on my motorcycle, or stereo equipment, back packing gear, ...etc. I'm pretty satisfied with what I have as far as homebrewery goes. But I can certainly appreciate Rabe's brewery .... it's freaking awesome.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: chinaski on February 20, 2021, 05:36:34 pm
There are at least 5 of these Stout Brucontrol based systems of varying level of installed data gathering sensors now in operation and people get really interesting ideas all the time on what to test. For example, in the past brewers have wondered and tried to calculate/guess, how long it takes for ferment CO2 to bring an empty keg down to zero oxygen. So someone with a system like this and the probes decided to actually test how long it took. He had O2 sensors in the keg and one in the outflow stream just to be sure the data was good. Now we know the actual answer, not just a guess. We also know how long it actually takes the yeast DO method to scavenge all the O2 in the strike water, what is the best dose of yeast and sugar and how do different temperatures effect that speed. Also how long the water will hold at zero DO. Another guy also has a nitrogen generator and set out to find out how long it takes to purge the grist to zero DO. We also found out how many purge/fill cycles is takes a beer gun type filler to bring a bottle down to zero DO. Currently there is a lot of work going on about getting the most out of grain enzymes and improving attenuation. These are just a few examples of the mounds of data that is amassing.

It used to be when you asked a question on a brewing forum about some process, the best answer you could get was, "I tried that but didn't notice any difference".

This seems like the analytical/instrumentation-based version that is somewhat analogous to the Brulosophy crew that does a (limited and/or biased) sensory analysis typically.  I think it would be very cool to pair the analytical experimental results in a well-replicated fashion with a trained and consistent sensory panel.  It's a tall order I know- but then you could get whether the differences documented the analytical equipment matters in terms of sensory data, and by how much.


Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: Richard on February 21, 2021, 03:16:47 am
Couple problems with that. It's not any single persons data to sell, it belongs to everyone who participated. And a book would go against the idea of communally sharing the knowledge. Besides (IMO) it's an outdated communication method that does not work well with dynamic topics that are constantly being refined and updated.

Their solution is to charge for access to the web site. You can only make someone pay for a book once (and the publisher takes a cut), but you can charge a monthly fee for access to the web site, and that also gives you the freedom to change anything at any time!
From https://www.themodernbrewhouse.com/new-year-update/

If you are looking for the most up to date information from us, packages start at $5/mo and go up from there. Even at $5/mo you will learn more in a day here, than the years you wasted paying the AHA for cheap and easy drivel. If you want to make the best beer humanly possible, this is the only place you will find that obtainable.

Cheap and easy drivel? Wow!
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: fredthecat on February 21, 2021, 04:18:41 am

Their solution is to charge for access to the web site. You can only make someone pay for a book once (and the publisher takes a cut), but you can charge a monthly fee for access to the web site, and that also gives you the freedom to change anything at any time!
From https://www.themodernbrewhouse.com/new-year-update/

If you are looking for the most up to date information from us, packages start at $5/mo and go up from there. Even at $5/mo you will learn more in a day here, than the years you wasted paying the AHA for cheap and easy drivel. If you want to make the best beer humanly possible, this is the only place you will find that obtainable.

Cheap and easy drivel? Wow!

wow did he explicitly say AHA? lol i can think of much, much worse homebrew forums. what a weird dude. again, he should learn some german if he is so obsessive about "tradition" aka just the contemporary forms of bavarian beer.



This seems like the analytical/instrumentation-based version that is somewhat analogous to the Brulosophy crew that does a (limited and/or biased) sensory analysis typically.  I think it would be very cool to pair the analytical experimental results in a well-replicated fashion with a trained and consistent sensory panel.  It's a tall order I know- but then you could get whether the differences documented the analytical equipment matters in terms of sensory data, and by how much.

related in a way, but i just get the feeling that a lot of the brulosophy new exbeerimenters have "Just started homebrewing two years ago and have really gotten into it. really into kolsch, hazy IPAs and sours". i simply don't respect their opinions, don't care if they have "X certification" because they are in "X local club" and they can get certified at their leisure.
Title: Re: My Professional Basement Brewery
Post by: majorvices on February 21, 2021, 12:45:08 pm
This has gotten pointless and has devolved into trolling.