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Title: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: Richard on February 08, 2019, 04:08:54 PM
In November, the AHA website had a recipe for Sierra Nevada Resileince Butte County Proud IPA: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/sierra-nevada-resilience-ipa/

The recipe calls for 11 lbs of base malt and 1.25 lbs of crystal 60L to yield an OG of 1.065 for a 5 gallon batch. As I was planning my brew I realized that this would require a mash efficiency of something like 90%, which is way higher than I get. I decided to increase the amount of base malt to 12.5 lbs, which would give me the correct gravity while still keeping close to the ratio of 90%/10% for the base/C60 blend.

Yesterday I saw a recipe for Resilience on the Brew Your Own magazine web site:
https://byo.com/recipe/sierra-nevada-resilience-butte-county-proud-ipa-clone/

I looked at it and found, much to my satisfaction, that it calls for 12.5 lbs of base malt and 1.25 lbs of C60, which is exactly what I used. 

So far I have had the Sierra Nevada version and a cask ale version from a local brewery. I look forward to tasting my brew in another week or so.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: denny on February 08, 2019, 05:14:29 PM
I adjust very recipe for my own efficiency so in that regard the grain amounts given in a recipe don't matter to me.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: Bob357 on February 08, 2019, 05:35:33 PM
Differences in systems and processes will cause differences in results. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: Richard on February 08, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
I agree that you need to tweak recipes to your own setup, but both of these claimed to come from the same source. At the bottom of both is the identical wording: "This recipe was provided by Sierra Nevada Brewing Company and scaled down from the original by Chip Walton of Chop and Brew."

Given that, I would expect them to be the same.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: KellerBrauer on February 08, 2019, 06:32:21 PM
I adjust very recipe for my own efficiency so in that regard the grain amounts given in a recipe don't matter to me.

+1 to that!
Title: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: BrewBama on February 08, 2019, 08:41:37 PM

It also says “recipe scaled to BYO recipe standards”. Whatever that means.

Chip Walton

There’s your problem right there. LOL.

(Jk Chip. I learned a lot from your videos at NB early on.)


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Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: Slowbrew on February 08, 2019, 08:59:29 PM

It also says “recipe scaled to BYO recipe standards”. Whatever that means.


BYO explains their recipe standards on the 3rd or 4th page in every issue.  They standardize all the recipes they publish to help control variences.   If you use thier recipies a lot, it might help you know what to expect.

Paul
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: Richard on February 09, 2019, 02:37:36 AM
I get the digital edition. It once was a replica of the printed version, and had the information you refer to on pages 3 and 4. I remember seeing it once. Now the digital edition is just a set of articles, and all the non-article information is missing. There are no pages, and I can't access their information on standardizing recipes.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: BrewBama on February 09, 2019, 02:58:13 AM
Sounds like that’s the missing piece to your puzzle. Once ‘un-standardized’ it’s probably the AHA version.


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Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: KellerBrauer on February 09, 2019, 12:25:54 PM
BYO has made many ridiculous changes lately that, in my opinion, have taken down an otherwise good and informative publication.  My paper subscription ends this fall.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: dmtaylor on February 09, 2019, 02:32:57 PM
BYO has made many ridiculous changes lately that, in my opinion, have taken down an otherwise good and informative publication.  My paper subscription ends this fall.

Really.  I still love the BYO, and Zymurgy as well.  Two excellent magazines, every issue cover to cover.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: jeffy on February 09, 2019, 03:02:11 PM

It also says “recipe scaled to BYO recipe standards”. Whatever that means.


BYO explains their recipe standards on the 3rd or 4th page in every issue.  They standardize all the recipes they publish to help control variences.   If you use thier recipies a lot, it might help you know what to expect.

Paul
I have an article coming up in the next issue and had to write up two recipes by their standards.  It's mostly a standard efficiency, 65%, and having both metric and U.S. measurements.  Tedious, but not difficult.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 09, 2019, 03:07:14 PM

It also says “recipe scaled to BYO recipe standards”. Whatever that means.


BYO explains their recipe standards on the 3rd or 4th page in every issue.  They standardize all the recipes they publish to help control variences.   If you use thier recipies a lot, it might help you know what to expect.

Paul
I have an article coming up in the next issue and had to write up two recipes by their standards.  It's mostly a standard efficiency, 65%, and having both metric and U.S. measurements.  Tedious, but not difficult.

Will look for it. What is the topic?
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: jeffy on February 09, 2019, 03:38:23 PM

It also says “recipe scaled to BYO recipe standards”. Whatever that means.


BYO explains their recipe standards on the 3rd or 4th page in every issue.  They standardize all the recipes they publish to help control variences.   If you use thier recipies a lot, it might help you know what to expect.

Paul
I have an article coming up in the next issue and had to write up two recipes by their standards.  It's mostly a standard efficiency, 65%, and having both metric and U.S. measurements.  Tedious, but not difficult.

Will look for it. What is the topic?
Brewing with peppers.  I just hope I don't embarrass myself on the national stage.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: denny on February 09, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
Drew and I are writing the Techniques column for BYO now.  Just finished the first one which will appear in the June issue.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: KellerBrauer on February 10, 2019, 01:41:12 PM
BYO has made many ridiculous changes lately that, in my opinion, have taken down an otherwise good and informative publication.  My paper subscription ends this fall.

Really.  I still love the BYO, and Zymurgy as well.  Two excellent magazines, every issue cover to cover.

I suppose an explanation is in order.  Before recently, I was able to use my account number from my printed publication to go on-line to the BYO website to research stories, articles and recipes with ZERO restrictions.  I simply entered the account number that was printed on the mailing label that was stuck on the magazine.  This is no longer the case.  Instead, they’ve hit me with many unsolicited emails with links to articles and recipes that take me to a solicitation page that want me to spend more money to get the stuff I use to get included in my subscription.

So, I agree, the magazine has very good and useful information.  However, it seems they’ve become nothing more than a money-grab....IMO.  Once my subscription expires this fall, I’m going to check out the Zymurgy publication instead.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: dmtaylor on February 10, 2019, 01:52:29 PM
BYO has made many ridiculous changes lately that, in my opinion, have taken down an otherwise good and informative publication.  My paper subscription ends this fall.

Really.  I still love the BYO, and Zymurgy as well.  Two excellent magazines, every issue cover to cover.

I suppose an explanation is in order.  Before recently, I was able to use my account number from my printed publication to go on-line to the BYO website to research stories, articles and recipes with ZERO restrictions.  I simply entered the account number that was printed on the mailing label that was stuck on the magazine.  This is no longer the case.  Instead, they’ve hit me with many unsolicited emails with links to articles and recipes that take me to a solicitation page that want me to spend more money to get the stuff I use to get included in my subscription.

So, I agree, the magazine has very good and useful information.  However, it seems they’ve become nothing more than a money-grab....IMO.  Once my subscription expires this fall, I’m going to check out the Zymurgy publication instead.

Ah, I see.  In those respects, an AHA membership has way more benefits than a BYO subscription.  More bang for the buck, that's for sure.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: KellerBrauer on February 10, 2019, 01:57:28 PM
^^^^^^^

Thanks Dave!
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: BrewnWKopperKat on February 10, 2019, 02:16:19 PM
I get the digital edition. It once was a replica of the printed version, and had the information you refer to on pages 3 and 4. I remember seeing it once. Now the digital edition is just a set of articles, and all the non-article information is missing. There are no pages, and I can't access their information on standardizing recipes.

For me, this (digital subscription as a set of HTML-based articles) was one of the most disappointing changes in the approach BYO appears to be taking for delivering home brewing information.  I was disappointed to see that they will revise 'original' articles - but if their approach is to deliver current home brewing content, it makes sense to update outdated information.  For me, most of the mid 2017 & early 2018 issues didn't deliver enough value (obvious this is a personal opinion) and early implementation of the web site (their minimum viable product wasn't my useful web site) was the tipping point - and I did not renew my subscription.

For me, it's about authors, not about organizations that package and distribute content.  At the moment, I'm seeing the potential for positive changes for BYO.
Title: Re: Error in Sierra Nevada Resilience IPA recipe
Post by: KellerBrauer on February 10, 2019, 02:42:44 PM

For me, this (digital subscription as a set of HTML-based articles) was one of the most disappointing changes in the approach BYO appears to be taking for delivering home brewing information.  I was disappointed to see that they will revise 'original' articles - but if their approach is to deliver current home brewing content, it makes sense to update outdated information.  For me, most of the mid 2017 & early 2018 issues didn't deliver enough value (obvious this is a personal opinion) and early implementation of the web site (their minimum viable product wasn't my useful web site) was the tipping point - and I did not renew my subscription.

For me, it's about authors, not about organizations that package and distribute content.  At the moment, I'm seeing the potential for positive changes for BYO.

I could not agree more.  Well said Brewn!