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Title: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: akr71 on November 16, 2009, 02:55:43 PM
As sort of a spin off of the Favorite Bourbons thread...

I used to drink a lot of Rye in my college days, but find it too sweet now.  Give me a nicely aged Irish Single Malt, Single Malt Scotch is fine also, but I'm not big on the real smoky ones.  I've never had a quality bourbon, so I don't really know how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: brewboy on November 16, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
What if you drink whiskey with your pants off?
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: tubercle on November 16, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
All of above. Each has it's own place ;)
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: akr71 on November 16, 2009, 03:35:40 PM
What if you drink whiskey with your pants off?

err... I thought 5 choices was plenty, but you raise a good point.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: brewboy on November 16, 2009, 03:37:12 PM
Was option 5 there when I voted?  ???
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: Robert on November 16, 2009, 04:26:32 PM
When I'm in the mood for the hard schtuff (not often, tend to fall down stairs) I like 40 Creek Canadian whiskey and Single Malt Scotch especially Glenmorangie
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: nicneufeld on November 16, 2009, 05:09:59 PM
The poll is kinda confusing as all of the above are whiskey/whisky!

Do you mean Tennessee whiskey as just plain "whiskey"?  There are two distillers that do that last I checked, Jack Daniel's and George Dickel (my favorite).  There's one extra step involving filtering for TN whiskey, but it is generally very, very similar to an average Kentucky bourbon whiskey.  Put it this way there are bourbons that are more like JD than they are to certain other bourbons. 

I know there are some "American whiskies" that exist, that are brewed outside of TN or KY, but there aren't that many and they don't have a large shared amount of unique shared characteristics to really be their own style, more just outliers.

Canadian whisky has the e-less spelling and I don't know a lot about it.  I've had some that's quite good, but more that I've tried is just mundane and watery.  But I haven't tried many top-shelf examples.

Scotch whisky (the other one to lose the e) is my favorite at least in single malts.  Sort of the varietal wine of the whisk[e]y world.  Aberlour (10yr and a'bunadh) and some of the Islay malts are my favorites, although they could hardly be more different.

Irish whiskey has a sort of pleasing spiced sweetness to it...like a more easily drinkable version of Scotch whisky.  Black Bush has a nice pear note that is really nice.

One other question...you mention rye being too sweet...you're not talking about "Rock and Rye" which is a liqueur, right?  Rye whiskey is similar to bourbon but made with a larger proportion of rye in the mash.  Spicy is the usual descriptor, I've never thought of it as sweet but then again, taste buds are unique.  Rock and Rye on the other hand will be actually sweetened.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: akr71 on November 16, 2009, 05:10:06 PM
Was option 5 there when I voted?  ???

uhh, I thought I created all the options at the same time, but I am very sleep deprived this morning (1 year old whose molars are coming in - he thinks if he's not sleeping well, no one else should be either).... and there's 6 options, like I said - low on sleep...
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: a10t2 on November 16, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
The poll is kinda confusing as all of the above are whiskey/whisky!

+1, I'm still not sure how to vote...
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: akr71 on November 16, 2009, 05:32:39 PM
Sorry for the confusion  :-[... I should have the first three options as Corn, Barley or Rye.

I've always heard that Whiskey (witht the e) was Irish whiskey, all others are whisky.  I'm Canadian, so maybe that's a Canadian thing - I don't know...  Canadian whisky usually refers to rye whisky or blended whisky (and usually a blend of rye and barley whisky, sometimes corn).  I know its not proper, but I think of corn whisky as being bourbon, in the same way as many will call any sparking wine champagne.

As to my comment about rye being too sweet - I guess I drank too much Crown Royal, which I find much sweeter than 40 Creek.  I find the spiciness of rye pleasing.

I prefer a single malt Irish or Scotch, but I finished a bottle of blended Canadian whisky the other night (rye, barley and corn) and I quite enjoyed it, especially since it was given to me.  It was probably the inspiration behind the poll - & my buddies who regularly hit me up for free beer want to have a blind whisky tasting night to see which style is preferred, so I thought I'd throw up a poll and see what happened... any other questions, please see my sleep deprived post above  ;)
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: tygo on November 16, 2009, 07:51:53 PM
When I'm in the mood for the hard schtuff (not often, tend to fall down stairs) I like 40 Creek Canadian whiskey and Single Malt Scotch especially Glenmorangie

+1 to the Glenmorangie.  That's my go to scotch and mostly what I drink when I'm drinking the hard stuff.
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Post by: nicneufeld on November 16, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
but I am very sleep deprived this morning (1 year old whose molars are coming in - he thinks if he's not sleeping well, no one else should be either).... and there's 6 options, like I said - low on sleep...

Feel your pain mate.  My little girl is a year and a half and because of her...shall we say..."spirited temperament", "low on sleep" has been a modus operandi for a long time now!  :D

To bring this all back into relevance, I have heard of people rubbing whiskey on teething toddlers' gums, but I'm not going there!   :-X
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: dimik on November 17, 2009, 04:20:40 AM
I enjoy a good Scotch or Canadian. The rest of this spirits family are OK, except bourbons - moonshine infused with vomit IMO.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: slimsparty on November 17, 2009, 09:53:22 PM
I stay away from Firewater now for the most part, but enjoy scotch, irish, or a templeton rye.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: bob on November 20, 2009, 03:43:07 AM
I was at The London Grill in Plainwell, MI having a hamburger at the bar and was admiring all the nice bottles of Scotch on the back shelves. I asked the bar manager about the basics of Scotch tasting and next thing I know, he lines up 6 samples with a lot of variety between them and works me through them. Wow! what an education. I remember the Islay samples having the sea saltiness and ... thats I all I remember. Time for a refresher course!
london-grill.com in Plainwell, MI Check out the drinks menu! Excellent beer and food too.
Bob
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: skyler on November 21, 2009, 07:33:04 PM
Nothing is better consumed neat than a good bourbon. But, I have found I much prefer Rye in cocktails (Manhattan, Sazerac) and mixed with Coke (Rye and Coke is great).

I don't think my booze palate is refined enough to enjoy Scotch, nor is my wallet wide enough to experiment with good ones. I don't understand Irish whiskeys. Personally, I consider them the pilsners of the whiskey world - they are the benchmark and the most widely consumed, but I just don't really appreciate them.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: dimik on November 21, 2009, 09:39:42 PM
Well my pockets aren't wide enough to BUY good booze too. However, working in a wedding hall and private parties... Lets just say I would definitely never buy an imported scotch for 450 Pounds Sterling, but that doesn't mean I've never had one :) So I know what I prefer based on those experiences.
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Post by: thirsty on November 25, 2009, 03:11:17 PM
I usually prefer bottom shelf bourbon (it's actually as good or better than the fancy stuff). I used to drink a lot of single-malt scotch too, but the cost keeps going up, so now I rely on xmas and birthday presents for that. Laphroaig is my all-time favorite. Corn liquor is also a mighty tasty beverage, if you can find it.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: joelambic on December 28, 2009, 12:53:20 AM
I prefer Scotch but have been known to enjoy Irish whiskey and bourbon at times.  My current favorites are from Ardbeg and Lagavulin but Glenlivet is quite affordable and is approachable for newbies.

I haven't sampled rye whiskey yet.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: redbeerman on December 29, 2009, 05:59:19 PM
I prefer Irish whiskey, but can handle a good bourbon or Scotch.  I use the cheap stuff for cleaning. ;)
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: joelambic on December 29, 2009, 06:25:27 PM
I use the cheap stuff for cleaning. ;)

I use the cheap vodkas in plastic bottles whose names end in "ov" for this.  Also works well in airlocks.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: majorvices on December 29, 2009, 06:47:09 PM

I don't think my booze palate is refined enough to enjoy Scotch...


Naaah, that's not it. Scotch sucks. Bourbon is where its at.  ;) I like Rye sometimes too.
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: bluesman on December 29, 2009, 07:01:16 PM
From what I know "All bourbons are whiskey, but not all whiskeys are bourbon". A whisky qualifies as a Bourbon - by international agreement - in the US if it is produces from at least 51% and not more than 79% Indian corn and aged for at least 2 years. Most bourbon is aged for four years or more. The barrels for aging can be made of any kind of new oak, charred on the inside. I like good ole #7 as a mainstay. Great for cleaning too.  ;D


Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: capozzoli on December 29, 2009, 11:34:24 PM
I heard the bourbon barrels from the US are shipped over to Scotland after they are emptied. They then use them to age scotch. They also by up the brandy barrels from France.


I like them all in moderation and only top shelf stuff, there is a difference. 
Title: Re: Bourbon, Whiskey or Rye?
Post by: joelambic on December 30, 2009, 12:00:10 AM
Yep, while bourbon requires new charred oak barrels, scotch does not so many types (bourbon, sherry, brandy, etc.) of spirits barrels end up being used.  Until the popularity of barrel-aged beers took off a few years ago, this or home improvement stores (sawn in half for use as planters) were the fate of old bourbon barrels.