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Title: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: shea-arne on August 18, 2010, 10:05:34 PM
Which do people prefer? whats the better buy?

Thinking of the crankandstein 2A in particular up against the barley crusher

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: tschmidlin on August 18, 2010, 10:11:00 PM
Which do people prefer? whats the better buy?

Thinking of the crankandstein 2A in particular up against the barley crusher

Any thoughts?
I have a similar question, but am leaning toward a monster mill over the BC.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: majorvices on August 18, 2010, 11:10:51 PM
I don't own a crankandstein but I do own a barleycrusher and also a monster mill and I recommend the latter. The BC is great the first couple of years and then it starts to jam on a very frequent basis. The MM will jam too, but just seems easier to "unjam".
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: tschmidlin on August 18, 2010, 11:12:11 PM
Which version of the MM do you have, and how long have you had it?

Anyone using a JSP?
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: majorvices on August 18, 2010, 11:27:53 PM
I have the MM 3 2.0. Definitely expensive but worth it for me, since I also brew in 1bbl batches. I can grind 100 lbs of grain in 10-15 minutes. For a 10 gallon batch it only takes a couple min.  But the great thing is it doesn't jam often, and when it does I can fix it by jamming a ruler down the center so the roller's "grab" again. Once it grabs it doesn't stop. Sometimes it won;t grab in the very beginning. The problem I had the the BC was that, after a year or so it would stop grabbing mid grind.

Oh, I've had the MM for about 6 months.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: dhacker on August 18, 2010, 11:43:06 PM
FWIW, I bought a CnS 3D four years ago. I motorized it with a 1/3hp motor and a 10 inch sheave to get about a 300 RPM spindle speed. It chomps through grain like there's no tomorrow. . . just like it did the day I started using it. I can't discern any degradation in the knurled rollers, so I couldn't be happier with my purchase!

What it looked like while building the mill

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/dhacker50/DSC01474.jpg)

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/dhacker50/DSC01471.jpg)

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/dhacker50/DSC01470.jpg)


Super Strut for tensioning

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/dhacker50/DSC01475.jpg)




 
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: richardt on August 19, 2010, 01:11:44 AM
Now you just need to build yourself a finger guard so you don't have typing problems in the future!
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: Hokerer on August 19, 2010, 02:07:59 AM
Which version of the MM do you have, and how long have you had it?

I've got the very first version that Monster came out with after the split.  It's a two roller and I've been using it since whenever it came out - about two years, maybe?
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: majorvices on August 19, 2010, 02:29:26 AM
Now you just need to build yourself a finger guard so you don't have typing problems in the future!

Oh please! Don't be so cautious. He has like ... nine more!  ;)
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: dhacker on August 19, 2010, 02:32:52 AM
Now you just need to build yourself a finger guard so you don't have typing problems in the future!

Oh please! Don't be so cautious. He has like ... nine more!  ;)

 :D :D
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: euge on August 19, 2010, 03:49:24 AM
I was thinking of how clever the tensioning scheme is. Oh, and it probably wouldn't hurt as much to take but a few minutes to build a box to fit over that pulley. ;)
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: richardt on August 19, 2010, 04:35:43 AM
Yes.  That pulley system is quite ingenious.  I just may have to copy that some day. 

And, yes, it will have a finger guard  :-*
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: tschmidlin on August 19, 2010, 05:59:39 AM
What it looked like while building the mill
That looks sweet!
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: realbeerguy on August 20, 2010, 03:30:27 AM
Which version of the MM do you have, and how long have you had it?

Anyone using a JSP?

JSP for over 10 years, no problems.  & have automated with a reclaimed table saw motor.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: bonjour on August 20, 2010, 12:51:46 PM
I use the BC for about 8 years with no problem.  Burned out an underpowered drill, but that was not the BC's problem.  My LHBS used the prototype for an estimated 5.000,000 lbs of grain before getting the larger commercial version.  The knurls wore away but it still crushed grain.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: jptheelder on August 25, 2010, 04:10:33 PM
The only one I have ever tried is my BC. I cant say for the other ones but I LOVE my BC. I'm sure they all work well but I know the BC dose.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: tom on August 25, 2010, 05:53:04 PM
I love my adjustable MaltMill. I got the barebones version and made my own base and hopper. The hopper is just an upside down 5 gallon plastic water bottle. I run it with a 1/2" corded drill. No problem. If I can do it, anyone can.
http://schmidling.com/bbordpp.htm
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: 6thstreet on August 25, 2010, 06:19:07 PM
I have the BC and it works very well...most of the time.  Like others have stated it stalls during the middle of the crush on occasion.  Usually if I try to compact the grain or reverse the drill for a second it gets going just fine.  After I had it for about a year it just wasn't working at all.  I contacted the company and sent it back in.  They fixed it up very quickly and sent it back to me free of charge.  Really decent customer service.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: treaves on August 26, 2010, 01:51:09 AM
When you buy a piece of equipment of this caliber, they are all going to be good.  Unless you define the criteria to judge them on, then do a double-blind study, it's pretty much personal preference. I have the low end 3 roller crankandstein, and I think it's wonderful.

I also prefer vi over emacs.

A fair way of deciding is to go with the same on as someone who's opinion you respect.

Enjoy whichever one you get!
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: svejk on August 26, 2010, 02:33:45 AM
As mentioned above, most mill owners seem to be really happy with their mills. I'm no exception as somebody who has owned a JSP for several years. I upgraded to add the gear drive, so both rollers are powered by my fairly heavy-duty Milwaukee half inch drill.  Now I just need to track down an unused fertilizer hopper - what a great idea!
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: skyler on September 08, 2010, 06:38:24 PM
I'm thinking of getting the JSP Model A - and I was wondering, is there an additional part needed to attach it to my AC-powered drill? And, would anyone who owns/owned one recommend against the JSP Model A? Is the Model AAA significantly better? Also, does anyone care to show pics of their mods? I am interested in seeing what the cheapest/easiest way to expand the hopper on the JSP to 15-20 lbs (though I figure just milling 3 lbs at a time isn't really that big of a hassle).

This will be an exciting purchase for me, as all 6 LHBSs over-charge for their base malt compared with good old F.H. Steinbart up in Portland. But there's a place that sells nothing but full sacks of grain who allegedly sells real cheap (and no insane CA sales tax since it's technically food). I may also buy a big sack of medium Crystal so I can brew a simple APA, IPA, or bitter anytime I want.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: svejk on September 08, 2010, 07:12:48 PM
You don't need any special parts to attach a drill to the Model A - but you do need one with enough power to run at a low speed.  I recommend the Model A because it is the only one that can use the gear drive option.  Even though it is fairly expensive at $50, you will never have any issues where one roller stops and you need to tweak it to get it to start up again.  I'm not sure whether that is common with other mills or not, but it has never happened to me with the gear drive.

Mine doesn't have any mods to speak of so it isn't worth a photo, but if you look at the large hopper adapter on this page:

http://schmidling.com/maltmill.htm

Mine looks just like that.  The only thing I would do a little differently would be to try to rig up some sort of conical bottom in the bucket.  The instructions have you put a small hole in the bucket to slow down the grain as it goes into the hopper.  The last pound or so of grain needs to be pushed toward the hole, so a conical bottom would be a little more convenient.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: skyler on September 13, 2010, 04:45:30 AM
I just bit on a Crankandstein 2D with the base and hopper. With the coupon code I got from a facebook ad, it ended up being under $150 with shipping.

Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: tschmidlin on September 13, 2010, 07:33:32 AM
Is there any way to search facebook ads, or do we just need to wait for it to show up?
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: skyler on September 13, 2010, 07:43:12 AM
Is there any way to search facebook ads, or do we just need to wait for it to show up?

Idunno, but the code I used was "fbads" and it was 11% off at brewmaster's warehouse.
Title: Re: crankandstein vs barley crusher
Post by: tschmidlin on September 13, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
Nice.  I'll pull the trigger on a mill one of these days.