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Title: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bluefoxicy on August 25, 2010, 05:46:16 PM
So this is an amusing anecdote, I guess.

Finally got off my ass and got back into Aikido!  Returned to the dojo for Pentjak Silat and Aikido... structure's a bit different, and I took a beginner's class to polish my Ukemi and some other stuff.  Found out there's a dedicated weapons class on Mondays, so I may eschew a strict schedule for a two-days-a-week schedule and hit up the weapons class occasionally.

There's one person in the weapons class though (a lot of the ones that called for it decided not to show up ever), so perhaps I can convince Sensei to teach a few other arts... it's an Aikido class, but Sensei is also the Silat Guru and thus skilled with knives, bo, boken, jo, and escrima sticks.  There's also a Jujitsu class now.  Personally I would like a "Weapons" class that basically wanders around Aikido boken/jo, Bojutsu, Jojutsu, and knife defense (I'm not worried about "knife fighting" ... if you come at me with a knife I'll take it away and/or break your arm and/or proceed to punch the f*@% out of you; I'm less concerned with using a knife than not getting killed with one).

My life is finally complete eh?  Plus the gut goes away and turns into a brick wall, which I need; I got so freaking weak after I left, just carrying 5 bags of flour and a couple gallons of milk up three floors is almost impossible now, and I can't even get an 80 pound box up the steps to my apartment... barely get it out of my car, the mental concentration needed to lift that much is impossible to sustain for more than a few seconds.

Anyone else into non-competitive martial arts?  MMA isn't my goal (an Aikidoka in MMA would be ... interesting); mainly it's meditative for me.  The complex movements of Aikido give me a reenforcing focus on my body (which comes a little easier since I spend the 20 minutes before class in the back doing Kundalini meditation and Zazen... eh, everything I do reenforces everything else).  Really for combat and defense I want to do some Jojutsu...
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: beersk on August 25, 2010, 08:40:14 PM
I train Ving Tsun kung fu in the Moy Yat lineage.  I don't care how strong I am, I don't care how big I am, or how intimidating I look.  I care about my training, training efficiently, training a martial art that IS efficient, and relying on forward energy and not strength.  How big and strong you are doesn't matter when someone smaller and weaker can move faster and more efficiently.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on August 25, 2010, 08:51:23 PM
Wrestling in high school, boxing and tae-kwon do in my twenties and Tae Kwon Do alone up until about 2 or 3 years ago when I just couldn't find the time anymore. I still train on my own some, mostly just stretching and kicking/punching the bag. I'd love to take a martial arts class somewhere but I have less time now than ever before (and less money!)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: weazletoe on August 26, 2010, 05:34:31 AM
... if you come at me with a knife I'll take it away and/or break your arm and/or proceed to punch the f*@% out of you;

  And don't forget that sweet slap to the kidneys, thereby rendering the victim incontinent, that you told us about a while back.  ;D
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: akr71 on August 26, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
... just carrying 5 bags of flour and a couple gallons of milk up three floors is almost impossible now...

What are you - a baker?  Who need 5 bags of flour?
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: dak0415 on August 26, 2010, 12:39:56 PM
Wrestling in high school, boxing and tae-kwon do in my twenties and Tae Kwon Do alone up until about 2 or 3 years ago when I just couldn't find the time anymore. I still train on my own some, mostly just stretching and kicking/punching the bag. I'd love to take a martial arts class somewhere but I have less time now than ever before (and less money!)
Funny how opening a brewery will do that to you! ;)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bluefoxicy on August 26, 2010, 12:56:36 PM
What are you - a baker?  Who need 5 bags of flour?

I bake my own bread.  I go through a lot of flour.  Freeze the stuff and I bake 2 loaves a week really.

Wrestling in high school, boxing and tae-kwon do in my twenties and Tae Kwon Do alone up until about 2 or 3 years ago when I just couldn't find the time anymore.

Wrestling and Boxing are not my thing, but they're great martial arts.  Cool moves are cool and all, but if I'm up against a boxer I have to pull it off the first time or I'm gonna be too unconscious to try again.  Most people cannot grapple with a wrestler, either.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on August 26, 2010, 12:59:08 PM
Wrestling in high school, boxing and tae-kwon do in my twenties and Tae Kwon Do alone up until about 2 or 3 years ago when I just couldn't find the time anymore. I still train on my own some, mostly just stretching and kicking/punching the bag. I'd love to take a martial arts class somewhere but I have less time now than ever before (and less money!)
Funny how opening a brewery will do that to you! ;)

especially the money part!
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: dak0415 on August 26, 2010, 01:36:46 PM
Wrestling in high school, boxing and tae-kwon do in my twenties and Tae Kwon Do alone up until about 2 or 3 years ago when I just couldn't find the time anymore. I still train on my own some, mostly just stretching and kicking/punching the bag. I'd love to take a martial arts class somewhere but I have less time now than ever before (and less money!)
Funny how opening a brewery will do that to you! ;)

especially the money part!
Except now, everything related to brewing is tax deductable.  That is assuming you are making a profit.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: akr71 on August 26, 2010, 02:15:53 PM
What are you - a baker?  Who need 5 bags of flour?

I bake my own bread.  I go through a lot of flour.  Freeze the stuff and I bake 2 loaves a week really.

Yeah, I make my own bread too, but 5 bags  ???
The average bread recipe calls for between 3 to 5 cups flour - we'll average it out to 4 cups.  Google tells me 4 cups of flour is roughly 1 pound, so your 5 bags of flour is enough for 25 loaves of bread.  At 2 loaves/week, you've got enough flour for 3 months worth of bread.

Maybe you just need to go grocery shopping a little more often  ::)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: beersk on August 26, 2010, 03:35:17 PM
What are you - a baker?  Who need 5 bags of flour?

I bake my own bread.  I go through a lot of flour.  Freeze the stuff and I bake 2 loaves a week really.

Wrestling in high school, boxing and tae-kwon do in my twenties and Tae Kwon Do alone up until about 2 or 3 years ago when I just couldn't find the time anymore.

Wrestling and Boxing are not my thing, but they're great martial arts.  Cool moves are cool and all, but if I'm up against a boxer I have to pull it off the first time or I'm gonna be too unconscious to try again.  Most people cannot grapple with a wrestler, either.

That's because you don't need to grapple to be effective.  Guys rolling around on the floor is SO cool..........
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bonjour on August 26, 2010, 04:22:55 PM
I'd love to see a nice roundhouse right coming my way ;)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bluesman on August 26, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris in action. 

Thes guys are some bad boys!

(http://www.ponyrific.com/chuck_norris_bruce_lee_ponyrific.jpg)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: nicneufeld on August 26, 2010, 05:26:53 PM
This thread is like a treasure trove of possible Napoleon Dynamite quotes!
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: weazletoe on August 26, 2010, 06:09:04 PM
I LOVE BFI threads. I actually look forward to them, everyday!!
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: denny on August 26, 2010, 06:15:40 PM
I like turtles....
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bonjour on August 26, 2010, 06:48:11 PM
and you like green radioactive slime too,  right?
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: weazletoe on August 26, 2010, 07:41:51 PM
I like turtles....

Taco?
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on August 26, 2010, 09:42:15 PM
 Guys rolling around on the floor is SO cool..........

Meh, whatever. I was a decent wrestler in highschool and I am proud of that. And I really don't care if anyone has respect for that or not. I can tell you this, a lot of people make jokes about wrestlers "rolling around on the floor with other guys", but I can assure you one thing - no one is thinking about sex when they are in the middle of a wrestling match. Mostly you are just thinking "damn this hurts!' Now, if you are thinking about sex while watching two wrestlers that's your bag, dude.  ;)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: MrNate on August 26, 2010, 10:26:45 PM
 Guys rolling around on the floor is SO cool..........

Meh, whatever. I was a decent wrestler in highschool and I am proud of that. And I really don't care if anyone has respect for that or not. I can tell you this, a lot of people make jokes about wrestlers "rolling around on the floor with other guys", but I can assure you one thing - no one is thinking about sex when they are in the middle of a wrestling match. Mostly you are just thinking "damn this hurts!' Now, if you are thinking about sex while watching two wrestlers that's your bag, dude.  ;)

A friend of mine in HS was involved in two things: Wrestling and Theater. Now, I like to think I've matured some since then, but at the time it definitely seemed a little dodgy.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on August 27, 2010, 12:23:24 PM
Wishful thinking, maybe?  :P j/k
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: MrNate on August 27, 2010, 01:50:41 PM
Wishful thinking, maybe?  :P j/k

Well, I did get into BJJ a while back. I'll have to consult Dr. Freud about that one.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: beersk on August 27, 2010, 05:25:17 PM
 Guys rolling around on the floor is SO cool..........

Meh, whatever. I was a decent wrestler in highschool and I am proud of that. And I really don't care if anyone has respect for that or not. I can tell you this, a lot of people make jokes about wrestlers "rolling around on the floor with other guys", but I can assure you one thing - no one is thinking about sex when they are in the middle of a wrestling match. Mostly you are just thinking "damn this hurts!' Now, if you are thinking about sex while watching two wrestlers that's your bag, dude.  ;)

haha, touche.  Obviously I'm biased because I train Ving Tsun.  
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bluefoxicy on September 01, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
I don't care how strong I am, I don't care how big I am, or how intimidating I look.  I care about my training, training efficiently, training a martial art that IS efficient, and relying on forward energy and not strength.  How big and strong you are doesn't matter when someone smaller and weaker can move faster and more efficiently.

This is an important point.  That is why when Guru asked if we should do knife attack or knife defense training last night I opted immediately for knife defense.  Knife attack is useful too, but not as much; if I don't have a knife, I have to get one first, which I can achieve by taking yours away, yes?

I feel like I got stabbed.  Guru is rather brutal with the ab strength training.  He even taught us how to block, trap, and disarm a knife using our abs (this involves a significant amount of blood and should be taken as a last resort).

Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: weithman5 on September 01, 2010, 01:49:25 PM
I can tell you this, a lot of people make jokes about wrestlers

but they don't usually make those jokes in front of wrestlers. 8)
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: denny on September 01, 2010, 03:30:18 PM
I can tell you this, a lot of people make jokes about wrestlers

but they don't usually make those jokes in front of wrestlers. 8)

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: weazletoe on September 01, 2010, 03:46:13 PM
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: tubercle on September 01, 2010, 04:16:22 PM
...I'm not worried about "knife fighting" ... if you come at me with a knife I'll take it away and/or break your arm and/or proceed to punch the f*@% out of you...

 You'll have to break my arm with one hand. The other will be occupied trying to stop the blood from leaking out of that bullet hole. I'm too old to fight anymore.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: beersk on September 01, 2010, 04:51:44 PM
I don't care how strong I am, I don't care how big I am, or how intimidating I look.  I care about my training, training efficiently, training a martial art that IS efficient, and relying on forward energy and not strength.  How big and strong you are doesn't matter when someone smaller and weaker can move faster and more efficiently.

This is an important point.  That is why when Guru asked if we should do knife attack or knife defense training last night I opted immediately for knife defense.  Knife attack is useful too, but not as much; if I don't have a knife, I have to get one first, which I can achieve by taking yours away, yes?

I feel like I got stabbed.  Guru is rather brutal with the ab strength training.  He even taught us how to block, trap, and disarm a knife using our abs (this involves a significant amount of blood and should be taken as a last resort).



Interesting.  My Sifu says that if someone has a knife, expect them to use it.  But first, give them all you have before you try to hurt them (possibly killing them).  And expect to get stabbed, but the idea is to make sure that if you do it stabbed, it's better that it's in your arm and not your vital areas.  Ving Tsun is all about protecting the Center Line, where everything vital is located. 
I think that anyone who trains hard in their martial art and has trained hard for a long period of time is a very dangerous person.  It's not a matter of what's better than another martial art.  That being said, I still think UFC is bunk.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on September 01, 2010, 04:59:17 PM
...I'm not worried about "knife fighting" ... if you come at me with a knife I'll take it away and/or break your arm and/or proceed to punch the f*@% out of you...

 You'll have to break my arm with one hand. The other will be occupied trying to stop the blood from leaking out of that bullet hole. I'm too old to fight anymore.

Thankfully for me I have not found a situation I could not talk my way out of in a long, long time. The last thing I want to do is get into a fight. My face looks really good just the way it is without another broken nose and I'm way too pretty to end up in prison.

That being said, I still think UFC is bunk.

I still like boxing even though it is a dying sport. I just don't like UFC/MMA. Boxing is a sport. UFC is just beating the crap out of each other. I do not find it enjoyable to watch some dude on top of another dude punching his face in. When I see this my instaict says "hey, someone needs to pull that guy off that other dude." Sick sh!t IHMO.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: tubercle on September 01, 2010, 05:18:15 PM
...I'm not worried about "knife fighting" ... if you come at me with a knife I'll take it away and/or break your arm and/or proceed to punch the f*@% out of you...

 You'll have to break my arm with one hand. The other will be occupied trying to stop the blood from leaking out of that bullet hole. I'm too old to fight anymore.

Thankfully for me I have not found a situation I could not talk my way out of in a long, long time. The last thing I want to do is get into a fight. My face looks really good just the way it is without another broken nose and I'm way too pretty to end up in prison.


  Me too. I had just rather walk away and let it go. This was not pointed to anyone in particular but to illustrate that as the older I get, the less crap I'm inclined to put up with, especially when pushed. I had rather you just let me go home and have a beer; I wish no one any harm.

 As far as prison?  I really, really don't think I'm prison material ;D
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: beersk on September 02, 2010, 02:59:25 PM
Sometimes though you'll be in a bar and there's that guy that goes out that night with the intention of fighting someone.  And that someone could be you.  In this case, you have to know how to control your (in my case) kung fu just enough to get the guy to think, "maybe this wasn't such a good idea".  This is why I train; in the event that some douchebag wants to start s*** and I can't talk my way out of it.  That's where the kung fu comes in.  It's not likely to happen because I'm a pretty easy going guy, but I think it's also important to know how to fight in the event that it is unavoidable.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: bonjour on September 02, 2010, 03:34:46 PM
There are two rules for fighting


Rule 1.  Never ever fight, talk your way out of it, run or walk away.  Under no circumstances allow yourself to get into a fight!













Rule 2. If, and only if rule one fails (it hasn't yet), I will be the one walking away. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: redbeerman on September 02, 2010, 04:21:34 PM
I have found the best way to avoid getting into a bar fight, is to avoid bars. ;)
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Post by: nicneufeld on September 02, 2010, 05:43:42 PM
+1 to bonjour.  Studious, some might say even craven avoidance of unnecessary conflict is my modus operandi.  In the gravest extreme, however, when it comes down to protecting human life (the only time I will be willing to fight), there is no fair fighting and I would utilise whatever technology is needed and in hand to ensure I likewise was the one walking away.

But to cap that somewhat somber thought with a cheery one, it's unlikely that I'll ever allow myself into a situation where courtesy (even self-effacing courtesy) can't prevent an altercation as well as there not being an opportunity to escape the situation.  (Some people have "their pride" to think of, not me!)  But that isn't to say that the most extreme situations of senseless violence are not considered and prepared for.

An affable nature and the absence of blustery ego are some of your best self-defence tools, and what's more they are free and profitable in other areas of human interaction too!  RDWHAHB!
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: narvin on September 02, 2010, 05:46:25 PM
In the gravest extreme, however, when it comes down to protecting human life (the only time I will be willing to fight), there is no fair fighting and I would utilise whatever technology is needed and in hand to ensure I likewise was the one walking away.


+1.  The best way to immobilize a drunk asshole at the bar is to distract him and then hit him in the head with a pint glass.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on September 02, 2010, 08:31:06 PM
I have found the best way to avoid getting into a bar fight, is to avoid bars. ;)

I try to avoid being in a hockey game, personally.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: MrNate on September 03, 2010, 03:19:14 AM
I would strenuously discourage any attempt to disarm anyone attacking with a knife unless your technique involves shooting them first.
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: nicneufeld on September 03, 2010, 02:29:55 PM
I would strenuously discourage any attempt to disarm anyone attacking with a knife unless your technique involves shooting them first.

Or unless your technique involves getting cut pretty badly!  :D
Title: Re: I am back in Aikido!
Post by: majorvices on September 03, 2010, 03:04:56 PM
This is going to sound like a Lynyrd Skynyrd song but ... Years ago I had a guy pull a knife on me because I was dancing with his girl friend. Which I did not know at the time. I was pretty drunk and I calmly, but apparently quickly, took the knife out of his hand, ran it across my fingers and told him it was so dull he couldn't cut through butter (I know, too cliche) and handed it back to him. He was pretty surprised. So was I the next morning. True story. The same night I also had a chained up "junkyard" type mean-ass dog nearly take my face off as I was trying to pet it. Teeth literally inches from my face as I jerked back. He literally reached the taught end of his cchain, which was the only thing that saved me.

Thankfully I am much, much smarter now, 20 years later.