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Title: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 21, 2020, 02:36:27 AM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 21, 2020, 02:37:01 AM
I did have two very delicious vanilla porters from two different breweries in the area

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: allenhuerta on November 21, 2020, 02:39:11 AM
Definitely. Though, it was funny, I was living in Bavaria a few years back and I got to drink so much wonderful beer but then I got to the point where I really wanted an IPA..

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 21, 2020, 02:45:06 AM
Definitely. Though, it was funny, I was living in Bavaria a few years back and I got to drink so much wonderful beer but then I got to the point where I really wanted an IPA..

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That's a terrible problem to have!

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Stand on November 21, 2020, 03:30:14 AM
Used to only brew IPAs.  I still get the itch a couple times a year, but it's a big world of beer! 

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: BrewBama on November 21, 2020, 04:20:37 AM
A lot of people must like extremely hoppy high ABV beers because the supply certainly seems to be meeting the demand.  I guess I’m just not in that market.


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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: RC on November 21, 2020, 06:11:01 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Fire Rooster on November 21, 2020, 10:17:13 AM
I'm burned out on IPA's.
Too much of a good thing gets you sick of it.
Variety is the spice of life.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: pete b on November 21, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
I am not burned out on IPA’s and around here anyway the ipas breweries are turning out are by and large not tongue scraping bitter bombs. They are usually well balanced and there is a lot of variety within the ipa selection from west coast pine/citrus to neipa fruity and soft. Nice variety of abv too although what I do tend to avoid are double ipas, they are often a mess and I am usually driving.
That being said I do wish the selection was not 75% ipas so that there were more varieties of English pale ales, brown ales, Amber ales, and porters. Most breweries seem to have a decent stout. Besides the English pale ales the thing I would like to see is a greater variety of lagers. A lot of breweries seem to have the attitude that they need to put out a Pilsner so a macro drinker dragged to a microbrewery by their hip ipa drinking friends has a choice. If there is a second lager on the menu it’s often an “ipl”.
Fortunately there is a lager only brewery here in Massachusetts, Jack’s Abbey. It’s not near me so I rarely go but their cans are widely distributed here and they are very good and not overpriced.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Megary on November 21, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
Definitely not burned out on IPA’s, heck I just kegged one last night.  But then again I was never waving the IPA flag to begin with. What I do get bored with however, are overrated beers, and boy howdy, there are a lot of them taking up valuable shelf space, usually with labels that have big craft beer names on them.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: KellerBrauer on November 21, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
I prefer a good malt forward brew - Pilsner, Porter, etc.  But my son prefers the high IBU stuff.  To me, a good beer has balance.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: allenhuerta on November 21, 2020, 01:40:35 PM
To add on, unless I'm out drinking, I usually just drink my homebrew or select beers that have stood the test of time. New Belgium, Sierra Nevada, and Deschutes top off that list. There are others I buy from but I'm not the hype/whale chaser I was back in 2012-2015.. calmed down a lot lol the LA beer scene was amazing in 2010/2011... So maybe I should back that up a few years.. but there was a year..  maybe 2012? Where if it was not an IPA, I did not buy it. I don't know what flipped but my palate was crushed and I avoided them for like 4 months. I'm glad when I made my exit Heady Topper was the only must have new IPA. I can't do this new stuff. I've had a few that were pretty good but I'm happy with my little mellow beer life now. I haven't brewed and IPA in a long time but I've made quite a few Pales over the years.. I guess I brewed Virtual Haze but that was a special occasion.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 21, 2020, 01:47:02 PM
I'm fortunate to not live too too far from an all lager brewery, about 45 minutes. It's called Gun powder falls brewing south of shrewsbury PA.

I too love malt forward beers and am a HUGE fan of variety, it is indeed the spice of life

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: goose on November 21, 2020, 02:10:08 PM
My wife is the hophead in the house so I keep an IPA on tap for her.  I currently have two, my Amarillo IPA (which is her favorite) and an Imperial Red IPA that is not super high ABV but pretty hoppy which I have talked about here in the past.  I try to balance them between the malt and the hops so that the bitterness doesn't get overpowering.

The remainder of the beers on tap are an ESB, a Coffee Porter, a RIS aged on Crown Royal soaked oak chips, and an Belgian Tripel.  That way I can get my malt fix while she gets a hop fix.  However, I do drink some of the IPA's from time to time (for quality control purposes).  As a side note, she will drink all of the beers on tap and has grown fond of the RIS and the Tripel.  So we have the best of both worlds here.  Just made a pumpernickel porter that I will be keggng in a few days as well.

Our local brewery, JAFB has 14 beeres on tap, 6 of which are IPA's (which I personally think is a bit much), but they sell for him which is why he makes so many.  Many of them have Simcoe in them which the brewmaster likes but is a bit too catty for us. That said, we can always find something to drink when we are there or carry out.

Note to Olscout:  I used to get heartburn from IPA's as well but that went away when I started using a vinegar based salad dressing on my salads.  The vinegar changed the pH in my stomach enough that the heartburn went away.  Pepperoni used to do the same thing but doesn't bother me anymore.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 21, 2020, 02:15:11 PM
My wife is the hophead in the house so I keep an IPA on tap for her.  I currently have two, my Amarillo IPA (which is her favorite) and an Imperial Red IPA that is not super high ABV but pretty hoppy which I have talked about here in the past.  I try to balance them between the malt and the hops so that the bitterness doesn't get overpowering.

The remainder of the beers on tap are an ESB, a Coffee Porter, a RIS aged on Crown Royal soaked oak chips, and an Belgian Tripel.  That way I can get my malt fix while she gets a hop fix.  However, I do drink some of the IPA's from time to time (for quality control purposes).  As a side note, she will drink all of the beers on tap and has grown fond of the RIS and the Tripel.  So we have the best of both worlds here.  Just made a pumpernickel porter that I will be keggng in a few days as well.

Our local brewery, JAFB has 14 beeres on tap, 6 of which are IPA's (which I personally think is a bit much), but they sell for him which is why he makes so many.  Many of them have Simcoe in them which the brewmaster likes but is a bit too catty for us. That said, we can always find something to drink when we are there or carry out.

Note to Olscout:  I used to get heartburn from IPA's as well but that went away when I started using a vinegar based salad dressing on my salads.  The vinegar changed the pH in my stomach enough that the heartburn went away.  Pepperoni used to do the same thing but doesn't bother me anymore.
I never thought of that, there are definitely a few IPAs that I do like and can stomach mostly. We don't go out a whole lot so sometimes it's discouraging to see 5 out of 10 beers being some version of an IPA. My buddy from the union hall makes an IPA that is well balanced carbonated and all around tasty and doesn't hurt my gullet. I swilll that everytime I'm over his place

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Village Taphouse on November 21, 2020, 02:55:54 PM
I got tired of the overly citrusy pale ales/IPAs everywhere.  It's like Fire Rooster said... give me some variety.  IPA has never been a go-to style for me personally but like Goose, my wife likes them so I will make Amarillo-Citra IPAs (I have one kegged now with C-148 hops) but I generally don't drink them.  I also am not a fan of stouts or Belgians.  You can imagine some trips to brewpubs where there are a ton of Belgians, IPAs, stouts and maybe sours.  Ugh.  It's been mentioned that making a good German lager may require more skill and finesse than making a hit-you-over-the-head IPA so maybe there is something there.  I went to a brewpub nearby recently and tried their dunkel.  Ho Lee Snot was it bad.  It tasted like it was 50% roasted barley or something.  Just awful.  They also have an IPA that my wife will tolerate and they have a Czech Pils that is cloudy and estery.  Sometimes I love the fact that I can make my own. 
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 21, 2020, 03:35:42 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: pete b on November 21, 2020, 03:51:35 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: erockrph on November 21, 2020, 04:25:25 PM
I still enjoy IPAs that are loaded with hop flavor. They are pretty much available everywhere, so I drink those when I'm out. I end up brewing lagers and English ales more often than IPAs at home lately because I already have my fill of IPAs elsewhere.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: rungdalek on November 21, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
I've noticed IPA's taking over the taps at a lot of places but that doesn't mean that I'm tired of them.  I just purposely look for other styles.  Was at Old Chicago the other day and being the fall, close to winter I thought I'd find many Brown ales and stouts/porters but most taps were ipa styles.  They did have the Boulder Chocolate Shake which went surprisingly well with pizza.  Buffalo Wild Wings and Milwaukee Burger are pretty good at varying the taps.  A lot of the local brewpubs have made a reputation on an ipa styled beer, but most offer many other choices also.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 21, 2020, 04:31:18 PM
It's all IPAs all the time here it seems like not much variety

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Village Taphouse on November 21, 2020, 04:37:28 PM
I still enjoy IPAs that are loaded with hop flavor. They are pretty much available everywhere, so I drink those when I'm out. I end up brewing lagers and English ales more often than IPAs at home lately because I already have my fill of IPAs elsewhere.
Same.  I don't make many of them so I'll drink them when I'm out somewhere.  But then I have to be careful because I might be drinking a 7% beer at the same pace I would drink a 4.5% to 5% beer at home and... WHOO BOY!  :D
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 21, 2020, 04:40:15 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?

4 out of 6 are IPA, and one (the pils) is aboput to get dumped.
Title: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: BrewBama on November 21, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
4



... one (the pils) is aboput to get dumped.

I have a hoppy Blonde Ale I really want to like but it’s just not doing it for me. It’ll probably meet the same fate. It reminds me of Blatz.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: joe_meadmaker on November 21, 2020, 05:56:41 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
4



This made me laugh so hard.  ;D


I'm still a big fan of IPAs.  Although not any of the more modern renditions.  I just can't get a taste for hazies or milkshake IPAs.  But bring on the hop-bombs, citrus (so long as it doesn't taste like a glass of juice), pine, dank, whatever.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: pete b on November 21, 2020, 06:22:59 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
4



... one (the pils) is aboput to get dumped.

I have a hoppy Blonde Ale I really want to like but it’s just not doing it for me. It’ll probably meet the same fate. It reminds me of Blatz.

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I definitely did not rule out the possibility of Denny’s answer being 4
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: majorvices on November 21, 2020, 06:49:02 PM
I still like West Coast style IPAs. Hazy? Not so much.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 21, 2020, 06:55:22 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
4



... one (the pils) is aboput to get dumped.

I have a hoppy Blonde Ale I really want to like but it’s just not doing it for me. It’ll probably meet the same fate. It reminds me of Blatz.

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I definitely did not rule out the possibility of Denny’s answer being 4

Wine I use picnic taps, I have as many beers on tap as I do full kegs. Currently the total is 6, with 4 being IPA.  Also have several commercial IPAs in bottles in the fridge.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 21, 2020, 06:55:59 PM
I still like West Coast style IPAs. Hazy? Not so much.

Not even a little.  I keep trying them, but so far no joy.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Steve Ruch on November 21, 2020, 07:33:34 PM
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
4



... one (the pils) is aboput to get dumped.

I have a hoppy Blonde Ale I really want to like but it’s just not doing it for me. It’ll probably meet the same fate. It reminds me of Blatz.

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I definitely did not rule out the possibility of Denny’s answer being 4
I kind of expected the answer to be 42.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 21, 2020, 07:39:42 PM
 ;D
I've got 5 gal. each of 4 different IPAs on tap.
Out of how many taps?
4



... one (the pils) is aboput to get dumped.

I have a hoppy Blonde Ale I really want to like but it’s just not doing it for me. It’ll probably meet the same fate. It reminds me of Blatz.

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I definitely did not rule out the possibility of Denny’s answer being 4
I kind of expected the answer to be 42.

 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: majorvices on November 21, 2020, 08:12:59 PM
I still like West Coast style IPAs. Hazy? Not so much.

Not even a little.  I keep trying them, but so far no joy.

I did find learning to brew them interesting and kinda fun. I can see their appeal and I can enjoy one if I'm in the mood.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: allenhuerta on November 22, 2020, 12:26:53 AM
I still like West Coast style IPAs. Hazy? Not so much.
I went to a place with 66 taps and all the IPA's were hazy if I'm ordering one, give me that West Coast!

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Village Taphouse on November 22, 2020, 12:39:09 AM
I went to a place with 66 taps and all the IPA's were hazy if I'm ordering one, give me that West Coast!
I had a brewing bud that I know send me some Hazy NE IPAs.  Some of the ones he sent me were quite good but really unusual.  Hazy does not begin to describe them.  Not very bitter.  Super, super juicy.  Almost like a fruit smoothie.  One was called Julius.  They were tasty but I just don't know how much of that I could drink. 

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 22, 2020, 01:52:29 AM
I've been to two breweries so far that have absolutely blown my mind, I even had an IPA I like. I take back half the bad things I've said about IPAs cheers!!! 7 breweries in two days!!! Gonna have to dry out next week

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: pete b on November 22, 2020, 01:53:23 AM
I went to a place with 66 taps and all the IPA's were hazy if I'm ordering one, give me that West Coast!
I had a brewing bud that I know send me some Hazy NE IPAs.  Some of the ones he sent me were quite good but really unusual.  Hazy does not begin to describe them.  Not very bitter.  Super, super juicy.  Almost like a fruit smoothie.  One was called Julius.  They were tasty but I just don't know how much of that I could drink. 

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That’s Treehouse, they make some great stuff and have gotten huge. Rightfully so, they are the gold standard.
I like both west coast and the hazy juicy ones. I think a lot of people who don’t like the neipas have not had some good ones. The style got so big so fast that a lot of breweries needed to have one and didn’t know what they are doing. The good ones are bursting with flavor, well balanced, and go down so easy you want more. The bad ones are flaccid.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Andy Farke on November 22, 2020, 03:11:07 AM
Our closest brewery, Claremont Craft Ales, has an IPA called Pepper & Peaches that is absolutely fantastic (it has both of those as ingredients, within a fairly modern-ish West Coast IPA). When I make an IPA at home, it's almost always a "traditional" West Coast IPA, with one or some combination of Cascade, Centennial, Columbus, Chinook, or other classic "C" hop. Once or twice a year I'll do one with the newer fruity hops, but typically I'll just buy that stuff commercially, because there are plenty of great examples already. I *do* like making a white IPA (I wish that style had lived, instead of hazies!)...basically, I brew the IPAs that just aren't made as much anymore by the local craft breweries.

Overall, I drink way less IPA than I did 10 years ago. That's not to say I've gotten away from hops -- I'm brewing a lot of German lagers and such, often with a fairly robust hop presence.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: allenhuerta on November 22, 2020, 03:14:14 AM
Speaking of IPA's that didn't survive, I wouldn't mind a Cascadian Dark Ale. Originated not far from my home. Also, let's brew some Brut IPA

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 22, 2020, 02:05:02 PM
We did 8 breweries In 2 days. If anyone lives in Pennsylvania I highly suggest Moo-Duck brewing in elizabethtown. Nice selection of very tasty on point brews and super cool staff. I had a blast

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 22, 2020, 03:18:58 PM
I went to a place with 66 taps and all the IPA's were hazy if I'm ordering one, give me that West Coast!
I had a brewing bud that I know send me some Hazy NE IPAs.  Some of the ones he sent me were quite good but really unusual.  Hazy does not begin to describe them.  Not very bitter.  Super, super juicy.  Almost like a fruit smoothie.  One was called Julius.  They were tasty but I just don't know how much of that I could drink. 

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He sent me some, too.  Here are my reviews...https://www.experimentalbrew.com/blogs/denny/oh-say-can-you-see-through-your-beer
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on November 22, 2020, 03:57:50 PM
Although I've drank many examples of IPA's at brew club meetings and brewery tap rooms, I've never enjoyed IPAs enough to brew them.  My favorite beers are all ales and all on the dark side.  Porters, stouts, and brown ales.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: rungdalek on November 22, 2020, 07:34:23 PM
I know this may be ironic but have any of you who do not like the NEIPA style tried to brew one?  If so what did you think of your attempt?
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: allenhuerta on November 22, 2020, 07:42:48 PM
I know this may be ironic but have any of you who do not like the NEIPA style tried to brew one?  If so what did you think of your attempt?
I've brewed one. I thought it was good enough in small amounts. Others liked it quite a bit, but I couldn't do a whole pint at a time. I was happy when the keg kicked. The first few pours were fun but it lasted longer than I might have liked. Interesting to brew, nonetheless.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 22, 2020, 07:56:28 PM
I know this may be ironic but have any of you who do not like the NEIPA style tried to brew one?  If so what did you think of your attempt?

There are many styles I don't care to drink, so I don't brew them.  For example, rauchbier and helles as well as NEIPA.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: tommymorris on November 22, 2020, 08:49:06 PM
I brew a fair amount of APA’s and Ambers. Sometimes I feel like my APA’s are IPA’s from 20 years ago. They are on the style edge IBU and hop flavor and aroma wise. Bigger IPA’s that turn into hop oil delivery vessels are not my thing. I want to taste beer and hops.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Drewch on November 23, 2020, 12:13:20 AM
Although I've drank many examples of IPA's at brew club meetings and brewery tap rooms, I've never enjoyed IPAs enough to brew them. ...
^^^This.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: majorvices on November 23, 2020, 01:17:44 AM
I know this may be ironic but have any of you who do not like the NEIPA style tried to brew one?  If so what did you think of your attempt?

Yep. Like I said earlier they are fun to brew. Definitely not an easy beer to pull off.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 23, 2020, 11:14:26 AM
Other than Denny’s RIPA, I haven’t brewed an IPA in years.  I drink them occasionally, like last Saturday night when our Beer Club had a four pack virtual meet up with a brewer from a local brewery, as he described his brewing philosophy.  The four beers were a Pale Ale, West Coast IPA, Fruited sour ale, and oatmeal pastry stout.  Thankfully I was sharing with my wife....but they were all well received.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: dannyjed on November 23, 2020, 12:47:09 PM
I don't think I will ever get tired of West Coast IPA, but I don't care for NEIPA. I've tried many and only cared for a few.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 23, 2020, 12:58:34 PM
Although I've drank many examples of IPA's at brew club meetings and brewery tap rooms, I've never enjoyed IPAs enough to brew them.  My favorite beers are all ales and all on the dark side.  Porters, stouts, and brown ales.
Same!

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: TXFlyGuy on November 23, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: pete b on November 23, 2020, 01:07:47 PM
I know this may be ironic but have any of you who do not like the NEIPA style tried to brew one?  If so what did you think of your attempt?

Yep. Like I said earlier they are fun to brew. Definitely not an easy beer to pull off.
I think what Keith says right here is the problem, not an easy beer to pull off. There are a some fantastic ones that are hard to put down but too many that fall flat made by breweries checking a box on their menu. I think a lot of folks have tried some poor examples then poo poo them.
Title: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: BrewBama on November 23, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
...  One was called Julius.  They were tasty but I just don't know how much of that I could drink. 


If interested, there’s a full page recipe in the July/August 2019 Zymurgy that goes into pretty specific detail on how to brew a Julius ‘clone’.

Here’s a Juicy Bits recipe: https://beerandbrewing.com/weldwerks-brewing-co-juicy-bits-new-england-style-ipa/

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: deckerhand on November 24, 2020, 11:01:28 PM
I’ll take an ipa over the new trendy beers any day.


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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 24, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
I’ll take an ipa over the new trendy beers any day.


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Hell you got two choices when you go out now, an IPA or a skittle steeped imperial london porter with bacon crumbles. But I may just be salty about where I live. If the brewer sells IPAs in volume and it's profitable makes sense to brew tons of em for consumption for the public. Just not my cup of tea.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Cliffs on November 25, 2020, 05:07:12 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: TXFlyGuy on November 26, 2020, 06:33:12 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

My thinking is since good light lagers are so challenging to brew, and ales by and large are easier / less expensive to brew, most brew pubs stick with ales.
In my travels throughout Europe, finding an ale on tap is a bit rare...but there is a small brew pub in Amsterdam that had some ales. I'm sure there are others, but lagers seem to rule over there.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Megary on November 26, 2020, 06:44:10 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

My thinking is since good light lagers are so challenging to brew, and ales by and large are easier / less expensive to brew, most brew pubs stick with ales.
In my travels throughout Europe, finding an ale on tap is a bit rare...but there is a small brew pub in Amsterdam that had some ales. I'm sure there are others, but lagers seem to rule over there.

Or...more people just prefer Ales - be it IPAs or Stouts - than those who prefer lagers.  At least in the US.  And since these businesses want to actually make money, they brew what sells.  When tastes and trends shift to lagers, breweries will follow, no doubt.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Saccharomyces on November 26, 2020, 07:43:10 PM
I'm fortunate to not live too too far from an all lager brewery, about 45 minutes. It's called Gun powder falls brewing south of shrewsbury PA.

I live in Central Maryland, so I feel your pain with respect to IPA dominating shelf space around.  IPA is the new Budweiser when it comes to beer sales.  I need to check ou the brewery in Shrewsbury.   I am curious about the name because Gunpowder Falls is actually in Maryland; however, that part of Pennsylvania is mostly Marylanders who relocated over the border to escape the high cost of living in Maryland.  I used to fly fish the Gunpowder River, mostly the Prettyboy dam tailwater
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 26, 2020, 08:21:29 PM
I bought a dog down in pretty boy, I live right across the line in Hanover. Gun powder falls beers were all pretty good I'm not s fan of helles and that was even pretty good. Their beer glasses are decently priced and they do only limited releases, I highly reccomend their Dunkel

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 26, 2020, 08:23:29 PM
 Fishing about an north of the line in the yellow breeches area is some of the best fishing I've done. And I've had the pleasure of spending my formative years in the swamps of georgia.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Saccharomyces on November 26, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
Fishing about an north of the line in the yellow breeches area is some of the best fishing I've done. And I've had the pleasure of spending my formative years in the swamps of georgia.

I have fished Yellow Breeches.  It is not the prettiest stream I have fly fished, but the fishing is good.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 26, 2020, 09:12:12 PM
Definitely not pretty, a few years back their hatchery was flooded and killed most of their breeders, their rod and gun club have been having a hard time recovering. I fish out in franklin county in oath valley. Absolutely nothing but wilderness

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: TXFlyGuy on November 26, 2020, 09:51:30 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

Just like Anheuser-Busch, Miller-Coors, and others know different beers exist. But the big market demand is for Miller Lite, Coors Light, and Bud Light. So you cannot equate total sales (off the shelf, or on draft) with the desirability of the beer among educated beer consumers.
All of my brewing friends are middle aged, and none of us drink IPA's. At least not on purpose!

Edit: I am very biased in my beer taste, preferring good clean, full flavored Euro Lagers. It's a personal problem of mine. I outgrew IPA's several decades ago.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: BeerfanOz on November 27, 2020, 01:08:03 AM
How about sours? Well not so much sours as the new fad here in Oz for fake sours with fake fruit in a psychedelic painted can that are outrageously overpriced and have barely any fruit or sour flavour, and what little fruit or sour flavour is there is clearly fake.

There are some craft breweries who are doing good  ones but there’s a lot of rubbish ones.

At the end of the day it’s just beer, and I can handle it when they’re not so great, but when i pay overs for beer that just tastes like a plain blonde ale with lactic acid and fruit essence it’s a bit annoying
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Megary on November 27, 2020, 03:10:41 AM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

Just like Anheuser-Busch, Miller-Coors, and others know different beers exist. But the big market demand is for Miller Lite, Coors Light, and Bud Light. So you cannot equate total sales (off the shelf, or on draft) with the desirability of the beer among educated beer consumers.
All of my brewing friends are middle aged, and none of us drink IPA's. At least not on purpose!

Edit: I am very biased in my beer taste, preferring good clean, full flavored Euro Lagers. It's a personal problem of mine. I outgrew IPA's several decades ago.

Interesting take.  It’s always important to know what one likes!  Good on you.  But I don’t wave flags and I’m thankful I haven’t boxed myself in style-wise so I can still enjoy the many fantastic craft beers being brewed today, including IPA’s (even if the style isn’t my go-to).  I outgrew bad beer decades ago, and I appreciate the variety and craft every time I walk into my local distributor. These are great days to be a beer lover.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: TXFlyGuy on November 27, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
And I'll add these are great days to be a beer brewer. The ingredients available to us today are equal to what the big brewers have. And with good equipment, any one of us can brew a beer that rivals any of the legacy establishment breweries.

I won 1st Place at the North Texas State Fair for my American Pale Ale. So...I can drink an ale. But it's not my first choice, or even my third choice.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 27, 2020, 03:30:41 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

Just like Anheuser-Busch, Miller-Coors, and others know different beers exist. But the big market demand is for Miller Lite, Coors Light, and Bud Light. So you cannot equate total sales (off the shelf, or on draft) with the desirability of the beer among educated beer consumers.
All of my brewing friends are middle aged, and none of us drink IPA's. At least not on purpose!

Edit: I am very biased in my beer taste, preferring good clean, full flavored Euro Lagers. It's a personal problem of mine. I outgrew IPA's several decades ago.

Outgrew IPAs......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 27, 2020, 03:31:27 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

Just like Anheuser-Busch, Miller-Coors, and others know different beers exist. But the big market demand is for Miller Lite, Coors Light, and Bud Light. So you cannot equate total sales (off the shelf, or on draft) with the desirability of the beer among educated beer consumers.
All of my brewing friends are middle aged, and none of us drink IPA's. At least not on purpose!

Edit: I am very biased in my beer taste, preferring good clean, full flavored Euro Lagers. It's a personal problem of mine. I outgrew IPA's several decades ago.

Interesting take.  It’s always important to know what one likes!  Good on you.  But I don’t wave flags and I’m thankful I haven’t boxed myself in style-wise so I can still enjoy the many fantastic craft beers being brewed today, including IPA’s (even if the style isn’t my go-to).  I outgrew bad beer decades ago, and I appreciate the variety and craft every time I walk into my local distributor. These are great days to be a beer lover.

Well said
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Wilbur on November 27, 2020, 04:18:53 PM
My wonderful better half planned a brewery get away for us for my birthday, and I've had some very tasty beers, one of which is probably the best pilsner I've ever had. But holy God have IPAs taken over every brewery I've been to so far. Ad I've gotten older India pale ales give me terrible heart burn and all around taste almost the same or so identical it's hard to tell apart

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Someone needs to tell these craft brewers that there are beers besides IPA's.

In my youth IPA's were my favorite, especially the hoppy ones. Thankfully, I outgrew that phase of my beer drinking years ago.

It is rare to find a craft brewery that brews a good Pils, Marzen, Fest Bier, or Munich Helles. They exist, but they are pretty rare...at least in my part of the world.

they know other styles exist, but IPA's sell. ALOT. 75% of Russian Rivers tap sales is Pliny The Elder. Thank about that, a brewery that has dozens of world class beers and Pliny makes up 75% of their tap sales.
My professional brewer friends would love to not have half their taps dedicated to IPA's, but the market is driving that trend. They call Saisons "stays on" because they stay on tap so long. Another pro brewer jokes that staff make up 25 % of their porter consumption. Another told me their lager sales increased when they started just calling it a blonde ale.

My thinking is since good light lagers are so challenging to brew, and ales by and large are easier / less expensive to brew, most brew pubs stick with ales.
In my travels throughout Europe, finding an ale on tap is a bit rare...but there is a small brew pub in Amsterdam that had some ales. I'm sure there are others, but lagers seem to rule over there.
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Saccharomyces on November 27, 2020, 05:25:00 PM
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

Yes, American light lager is more challenging to brew than ale.  The main reason is because the flavor is so light that even minute flaws stick out like sore thumbs. Why do think why so many new brewers stick with porter, stouts, and other flavor positive styles after failing with lighter, less positive styles?  In the case of IPA, dry hopping will hide a multitude of sins, not the least of which is excessive higher alcohol production.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 27, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

Yes, American light lager is more challenging to brew than ale.  The main reason is because the flavor is so light that even minute flaws stick out like sore thumbs. Why do think why so many new brewers stick with porter, stouts, and other flavor positive styles after failing with lighter, less positive styles?  In the case of IPA, dry hopping will hide a multitude of sins, not the least of which is excessive higher alcohol production.

They stick with porters stouts, etc. because it's a business and that's what people want to buy.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Megary on November 27, 2020, 06:16:20 PM
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

Yes, American light lager is more challenging to brew than ale.  The main reason is because the flavor is so light that even minute flaws stick out like sore thumbs. Why do think why so many new brewers stick with porter, stouts, and other flavor positive styles after failing with lighter, less positive styles?  In the case of IPA, dry hopping will hide a multitude of sins, not the least of which is excessive higher alcohol production.

They stick with porters stouts, etc. because it's a business and that's what people want to buy.

+1

I enjoy “flavor positive” as opposed to...well...not flavor positive.   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: TXFlyGuy on November 27, 2020, 08:46:23 PM
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

Yes, American light lager is more challenging to brew than ale.  The main reason is because the flavor is so light that even minute flaws stick out like sore thumbs. Why do think why so many new brewers stick with porter, stouts, and other flavor positive styles after failing with lighter, less positive styles?  In the case of IPA, dry hopping will hide a multitude of sins, not the least of which is excessive higher alcohol production.

They stick with porters stouts, etc. because it's a business and that's what people want to buy.

Probably so. But the craft beer pubs that are in my part of the world rarely have a Porter or a Stout on tap. Nor do they have a good Munich Helles on tap. But you will always find IPA's available.
It's so bad that we rarely go out anymore. Plus with 6 beers on tap in my upstairs bar, no reason to go out. And...you won't find an IPA in my house! Or any of my friend's houses.
And not in any of the bars that I frequented in Frankfurt, Munich, Amsterdam, Tokyo. I did find a bar in London that had some American style ales, with the obligatory IPA.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: denny on November 27, 2020, 09:01:00 PM
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

Yes, American light lager is more challenging to brew than ale.  The main reason is because the flavor is so light that even minute flaws stick out like sore thumbs. Why do think why so many new brewers stick with porter, stouts, and other flavor positive styles after failing with lighter, less positive styles?  In the case of IPA, dry hopping will hide a multitude of sins, not the least of which is excessive higher alcohol production.

They stick with porters stouts, etc. because it's a business and that's what people want to buy.

Probably so. But the craft beer pubs that are in my part of the world rarely have a Porter or a Stout on tap. Nor do they have a good Munich Helles on tap. But you will always find IPA's available.
It's so bad that we rarely go out anymore. Plus with 6 beers on tap in my upstairs bar, no reason to go out. And...you won't find an IPA in my house! Or any of my friend's houses.
And not in any of the bars that I frequented in Frankfurt, Munich, Amsterdam, Tokyo. I did find a bar in London that had some American style ales, with the obligatory IPA.

It's a business, not a charity.  They brew what sells.
Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Wilbur on November 27, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
Are they really so challenging to brew? There's only so many variables to play around with, and the same process flaws will wreck an IPA or porter. I think there's been the GDP of a small country spent on research for lagers, although there seems to be an lot more emphasis on researching hopping techniques and oils recently. I think it's really just cultural differences that make up the differences between the US and Europe. I also think it's a lot harder to to sell a $12 6 pack of craft lager when it's sitting next to a $12 18 or 30 pack of corona or bud.

Yes, American light lager is more challenging to brew than ale.  The main reason is because the flavor is so light that even minute flaws stick out like sore thumbs. Why do think why so many new brewers stick with porter, stouts, and other flavor positive styles after failing with lighter, less positive styles?  In the case of IPA, dry hopping will hide a multitude of sins, not the least of which is excessive higher alcohol production.

They stick with porters stouts, etc. because it's a business and that's what people want to buy.

Probably so. But the craft beer pubs that are in my part of the world rarely have a Porter or a Stout on tap. Nor do they have a good Munich Helles on tap. But you will always find IPA's available.
It's so bad that we rarely go out anymore. Plus with 6 beers on tap in my upstairs bar, no reason to go out. And...you won't find an IPA in my house! Or any of my friend's houses.
And not in any of the bars that I frequented in Frankfurt, Munich, Amsterdam, Tokyo. I did find a bar in London that had some American style ales, with the obligatory IPA.
The menu in 99% of places I've been to in Japan has been Asahi super dry, nikka whiskey, nikka whiskey highball, and sake... Not what I'd call a great beer scene. Haven't really tasted a proper IPA over there either, but the yuzu lager was great.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 27, 2020, 09:22:20 PM
Man I never thought my annoyance with my local beer scene would stem this type of discussion. Please continue

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Wilbur on November 27, 2020, 09:38:28 PM
Man I never thought my annoyance with my local beer scene would stem this type of discussion. Please continue

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I'm kind of hoping to hear more about fly fishing.

Also, if I'm off on the beer scene in Japan please let me know. Hitachino has a great rooftop bar above the Tokyo train station, I've been to Miyamoto, and some Kyoto brewing beers. There's a pretty good beer bar in Kobe called Hops and, they had some incredible fried chicken.

I also hope I never tire of IPA.

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: Oiscout on November 27, 2020, 09:50:28 PM
I don't do much flyfishing anymore. I sold my fly rods to a buddy for brewing equipment. Im more of a spinner man myself. Though I do frequent a lot of great places to fly fish in the middle of nowhere. Up the road from my mom's is a metric ton of old pig iron furnaces built in the 1700s that line the creek I like to fish, it's always cool running into these artifacts so many miles from civilization. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201127/a71af56a9f563e7b1c85742b5624fa97.jpg)

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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: BrewBama on November 27, 2020, 10:40:12 PM
It's a business, not a charity.  They brew what sells.

+1.  That’s one reason why we brew our own: so we can get what we like that we can’t find (aka doesn’t sell so very few brew it).


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Title: Re: Anyone else grown tired of IPAs
Post by: TXFlyGuy on November 28, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
It's a business, not a charity.  They brew what sells.

+1.  That’s one reason why we brew our own: so we can get what we like that we can’t find (aka doesn’t sell so very few brew it).

In addition, the primary reason we brew is to ensure that we have fresh beer available. And the beer we want to consume, not the watered down light beer that the legacy breweries want us to purchase.

As my palette leans towards Euro-Lagers, it is not easy to get a 1/2 bbl keg that is fresh, or will remain fresh until the keg is emptied.

So we brew our Munich Helles is 10 gallon batches, and the beer will remain fresh in taste until the keg is finished.

My last keg of Hofbrau Munich Helles did go bad, near the end of the keg.

I have had Budweiser and Sam Adams beer go bad while in the keg.