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Title: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 21, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
I'm undertaking a a little bit of my own adventure. I'm going to brew each recipe in the Brewing Classics Styles book.

Im wanting to know if anyone has some pointers for extract brewing mainly.

Water and PH adjustments are they necessary?

Do you have any problems with things such as DMS or other off flavors you sometimes have to watch out for while All grain brewing?

What's your best technique to getting the LME into the boil kettle?

I just picked up the ingredients to do the Irish red Ale yesterday to start out with.

Thank you in advance.

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Steve Ruch on February 21, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
Extract alone or with specialty grains or with a mini-mash?
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: denny on February 21, 2021, 06:08:04 PM
You'll have better results with DME,  not LME. Because all minerals were included when the extract was made, use distilled water, but you can add sulfate of chloride for flavor if you want to.. No pH worries unless you start steeping a lot of grain.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 21, 2021, 06:14:59 PM
Partial mash with specialty grains.

Would like to follow the recipes as close as possible to build a knowledgeable foundation of styles and specialty grains.

I've been making my own beers for a few months but feel like I'm a little all over the place.

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: BrewBama on February 21, 2021, 06:24:34 PM
I think this is an awesome endeavor. You’re going to learn a lot thru this project.


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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 21, 2021, 06:31:55 PM
You'll have better results with DME,  not LME. Because all minerals were included when the extract was made, use distilled water, but you can add sulfate of chloride for flavor if you want to.. No pH worries unless you start steeping a lot of grain.
Didn't even think of using DME.

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 21, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
I think this is an awesome endeavor. You’re going to learn a lot thru this project.


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I think so too that's why I'm going to do it. Short of a long story I'm s tradesman but my ankle won't last the next 25 years of my career. I'm a pretty good cook, especially southern BBQ. I hope to open a small BBQ and beer shack. It's something our small town is missing.

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: neuse on February 21, 2021, 07:27:19 PM
Here are some things I've picked up.

Water adjustments
Water for the boil should have alkalinity below 50 ppm. The need for adjustment depends on your water. Bru'n Water can help figure how much acid to use.
CaCl and gypsum might help, depending on your water and the extract manufacturer's mash water chemistry. Making up dilute solutions and adding to a glass of beer can help you decide whether, and how much, to add.

DMS: It doesn't seem to be a problem. I've never had a problem with it, even when doing covered hop stands.

Adding LME: Late extract addition has become popular. I add enough extract at the beginning to get about 1.040 SG in the boil. Then add the rest at flameout. Also, make sure the kettle bottom won't scorch the extract - I wait one minute after taking it off the burner before adding extract.

I've gone to a 40 minute boil. This seems to be getting popular.

Good luck.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: BrewBama on February 21, 2021, 07:48:05 PM
I think this is an awesome endeavor. You’re going to learn a lot thru this project.


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... a small BBQ and beer shack. ...

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That’s what I did at my house.


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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 21, 2021, 07:53:10 PM
I think this is an awesome endeavor. You’re going to learn a lot thru this project.


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... a small BBQ and beer shack. ...

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That’s what I did at my house.


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Lol

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 21, 2021, 07:53:30 PM
Here are some things I've picked up.

Water adjustments
Water for the boil should have alkalinity below 50 ppm. The need for adjustment depends on your water. Bru'n Water can help figure how much acid to use.
CaCl and gypsum might help, depending on your water and the extract manufacturer's mash water chemistry. Making up dilute solutions and adding to a glass of beer can help you decide whether, and how much, to add.

DMS: It doesn't seem to be a problem. I've never had a problem with it, even when doing covered hop stands.

Adding LME: Late extract addition has become popular. I add enough extract at the beginning to get about 1.040 SG in the boil. Then add the rest at flameout. Also, make sure the kettle bottom won't scorch the extract - I wait one minute after taking it off the burner before adding extract.

I've gone to a 40 minute boil. This seems to be getting popular.

Good luck.
Thank you

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Steve Ruch on February 22, 2021, 04:14:05 AM

[/quote]Didn't even think of using DME.
[/quote]
Why not?
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Saccharomyces on February 22, 2021, 05:27:21 AM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 22, 2021, 11:20:32 AM

Didn't even think of using DME.
[/quote]
Why not?
[/quote]I usually brew AG and the book lists LME. But I'll do a DME batch aswell

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: tommymorris on February 22, 2021, 12:42:31 PM
There is at least one LME you can’t get in DME form. That is Briess Munich. That one is 50/50 Munich/Pils malt. I think some of the recipes will benefit from Munich malt. If you see Munich in the book’s all grain version you might try to use it in the extract version.

Another place to consider LME is when you want to use continental malts. William’s brewing has several LME varieties based on European malts.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: erockrph on February 22, 2021, 01:49:21 PM
There is at least one LME you can’t get in DME form. That is Briess Munich. That one is 50/50 Munich/Pils malt. I think some of the recipes will benefit from Munich malt. If you see Munich in the book’s all grain version you might try to use it in the extract version.

Another place to consider LME is when you want to use continental malts. William’s brewing has several LME varieties based on European malts.
Actually, you can:
https://wineandhop.com/products/munich-dry-malt-extract-dme-3-lb-us-briess
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: denny on February 22, 2021, 03:57:25 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: tommymorris on February 22, 2021, 04:58:42 PM
There is at least one LME you can’t get in DME form. That is Briess Munich. That one is 50/50 Munich/Pils malt. I think some of the recipes will benefit from Munich malt. If you see Munich in the book’s all grain version you might try to use it in the extract version.

Another place to consider LME is when you want to use continental malts. William’s brewing has several LME varieties based on European malts.
Actually, you can:
https://wineandhop.com/products/munich-dry-malt-extract-dme-3-lb-us-briess
Awesome. Thanks. I had just looked and morebeer and they didn’t have it so I assumed no one did. That’s good for extract brewers.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Drewch on February 22, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.

Why is LME so common, then?  I see it all over the place, especially in recipe kits.  (I ask out of genuine curiosity, not contrarianism.)

Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: jeffy on February 22, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.
If you keep a bag around long enough, extra pale malt extract turns into a light brown brick.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: denny on February 22, 2021, 05:19:13 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.
If you keep a bag around long enough, extra pale malt extract turns into a light brown brick.

I have a bag that's been open for 2 years and haven't noticed that.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: denny on February 22, 2021, 05:19:54 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.

Why is LME so common, then?  I see it all over the place, especially in recipe kits.  (I ask out of genuine curiosity, not contrarianism.)
 

Good question.
Title: Re: First time trying extrac
Post by: jeffy on February 22, 2021, 05:24:47 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.
If you keep a bag around long enough, extra pale malt extract turns into a light brown brick.

I have a bag that's been open for 2 years and haven't noticed that.
The local liquor store chain sold me a dozen kits that had been on a shelf at the top of the wall for who-knows-how long.  I think I gave him $10. I tried brewing with one or two of the bricks, which never fermented at all.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Saccharomyces on February 26, 2021, 04:32:00 PM
I think so too that's why I'm going to do it. Short of a long story I'm s tradesman but my ankle won't last the next 25 years of my career. I'm a pretty good cook, especially southern BBQ. I hope to open a small BBQ and beer shack. It's something our small town is missing.

I am assuming by 25 years to go that you are in your forties.  Back in the mid-nineties when I was in my mid-thirties, I was seriously considering attending the Siebel long course and moving into brewing.  There are days when I kick myself for not making that move.  That being said, there are a lot of extract brew pubs. I was a partial mash brewer before I moved to all-grain.  Good beer can be made using extract and partial mash.  Will it be the best one has ever tasted, rarely.  A good extract or partial mash recipe is Rocky Racoon's Honey Crystal lager.  There is something about that recipe that belies the fact that is made from extract.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 26, 2021, 04:46:31 PM
I'm 35 currently lol

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Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Steve Ruch on February 26, 2021, 07:49:05 PM
Didn't even think of using DME.

Denny is correct.  DME is almost always less oxidized than LME.

I'd go further than almost...I have never experienced oxidized DME.  I don't know if it's even possible.

Why is LME so common, then?  I see it all over the place, especially in recipe kits.  (I ask out of genuine curiosity, not contrarianism.)
It's easier (cheaper and quicker) to produce.
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: denny on February 26, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
I'm 35 currently lol

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just about 1/2 my age
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Steve Ruch on February 27, 2021, 07:43:52 PM
I'm 35 currently lol

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just about 1/2 my age
When are the 30 somethings going to wise up and take everything us more mature fellas say as gospel?
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: denny on February 27, 2021, 08:10:15 PM
I'm 35 currently lol

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just about 1/2 my age
When are the 30 somethings going to wise up and take everything us more mature fellas say as gospel?

 ;D
Title: Re: First time trying extract.
Post by: Oiscout on February 27, 2021, 08:10:30 PM
I was always taught that when on the job if you don't know how to do something, find the most grey haired and wrinkly faced old timer you can find and Ask him. He will probably know the answer and if he walks with a limp even better.

That teaching moment has proven true 90 percent of the time.

I also am afforded the luxury of a somewhat earlier retirement than some of my un-organjzed counterparts in industrial construction and the electrical industry

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