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Title: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on April 25, 2021, 01:49:06 PM
When I read in fredthecat's post about unusual British ales that the recipe for Devon White Ale included eggs, it got me curious about other  common food ingredients I've never heard about in beer. 

What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: BrewBama on April 25, 2021, 01:58:13 PM
I’m pretty benign when it comes to beer. I stick to juices (lemon, orange) and chocolate, hazelnuts, ginger, cinnamon, molasses, etc. 

I want to try tangerine, orange-mango, orange-pineapple juices.  A real risk taker here.



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Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on April 25, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
I’m pretty benign when it comes to beer. I stick to juices (lemon, orange) and chocolate, hazelnuts, ginger, cinnamon, molasses, etc. 

I want to try tangerine, orange-mango, orange-pineapple juices.  A real risk taker here.



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I added wild rice to a brown ale once.  Some of the guys at my local brew club liked it, but I wasn't impressed enough to use it again.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: HopDen on April 25, 2021, 02:37:07 PM
When I read in fredthecat's post about unusual British ales that the recipe for Devon White Ale included eggs, it got me curious about other  common food ingredients I've never heard about in beer. 

What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

I was jarring up some sauerkraut this morning and thinking about using some in a beer!! Either as a flavor contribution or to lower pH. I laughed at that notion and dismissed the thought until I seen your post. Hmmmm? My gut tells me no but one will never know without trying!
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: denny on April 25, 2021, 02:42:25 PM
When I read in fredthecat's post about unusual British ales that the recipe for Devon White Ale included eggs, it got me curious about other  common food ingredients I've never heard about in beer. 

What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

Dairy fat in beer will go rancid.  How about mushrooms?
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on April 25, 2021, 03:12:02 PM
Denny, thanks for the tip about dairy fat.  I knew there must be some reason it wasn't used, but I didn't know why.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Steve Ruch on April 25, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
When I read in fredthecat's post about unusual British ales that the recipe for Devon White Ale included eggs, it got me curious about other  common food ingredients I've never heard about in beer. 

What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

Dairy fat in beer will go rancid. 
Non dairy creamer?
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: kramerog on April 26, 2021, 03:00:16 PM
I use the same lactobacillus plantarum for quick sours as for sauerkraut.  Fresh sauerkraut could certainly work for gose.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: majorvices on April 26, 2021, 04:07:50 PM
Cured Lemons ... it's something I have played with before. Kind of like Gose. Problem is I don't like Gose (much) lol
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Iliff Ave on April 26, 2021, 04:51:21 PM
chicken feathers
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: David on April 27, 2021, 04:20:42 PM
What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

I would think vinegar would have a negative effect on yeast as it is used as a preservative. I have however wondered about tomatoes???
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Cliffs on April 29, 2021, 03:57:23 PM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: denny on April 29, 2021, 04:04:16 PM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: goose on April 29, 2021, 04:39:05 PM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you


I second that!
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: ynotbrusum on April 29, 2021, 06:16:44 PM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you


I second that!


Agreed, but there are those rare exceptions, sometimes because they were scarce to obtain for so long or had a demand for other uses that were prioritized (thinking wheat, for example)...and now can be readily located and cheaply substituted.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: majorvices on April 30, 2021, 01:47:21 AM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you

Like mushrooms ... for instance. ;)
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: BrewBama on April 30, 2021, 12:56:54 PM




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Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: erockrph on April 30, 2021, 01:25:44 PM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you

Like mushrooms ... for instance. ;)
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But seriously, I don't think that there's no place at all for less traditional additives or flavors in beer, but the common ones are common for a reason - they typically work.

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Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: denny on April 30, 2021, 02:26:09 PM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you

Like mushrooms ... for instance. ;)

I guess you'd have to taste it to know.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: EHall on April 30, 2021, 08:34:52 PM
I for one, have just had it with all these brews that have to have something weird in them... its gotten out of control. can't we just go back to basic beers?!
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Richard on April 30, 2021, 08:50:35 PM
I for one, have just had it with all these brews that have to have something weird in them... its gotten out of control. can't we just go back to basic beers?!

Judging by what happened with ice cream flavors, the answer is no.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: YetiBrewsIt on May 01, 2021, 10:54:55 AM
I'll just put this here:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/all-abuzz-cicada-beer-homebrewing-with-cicadas/ (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/all-abuzz-cicada-beer-homebrewing-with-cicadas/)
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: denny on May 01, 2021, 02:51:29 PM
I'll just put this here:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/all-abuzz-cicada-beer-homebrewing-with-cicadas/ (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/all-abuzz-cicada-beer-homebrewing-with-cicadas/)

Old news.  Dan Listermann came up with that nearly 25 years go.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Megary on May 01, 2021, 06:24:29 PM
I'll just put this here:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/all-abuzz-cicada-beer-homebrewing-with-cicadas/ (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/all-abuzz-cicada-beer-homebrewing-with-cicadas/)

Old news.  Dan Listermann came up with that nearly 25 years go.
He should have kept it to himself.   :o
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: fredthecat on May 01, 2021, 09:27:43 PM
When I read in fredthecat's post about unusual British ales that the recipe for Devon White Ale included eggs, it got me curious about other  common food ingredients I've never heard about in beer. 

What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

thanks. while we might imagine that we modern homebrewers are more open and experimental to every taste possibility in alcohol, when you step back and look at what creating alcohol for consumption is at the most base levels we can see that there are still many things we are missing without even realizing.

some examples might be alcohol in more food-like forms, ie. lightly fermented rice porridges a la china/vietnam/japan/southern africa and more. i miss amazake a lot.

considering savory taste as a positive aspect in distilled alcohol, and perhaps fermented alcohol as well. the west generally thinks of alcohol on a baseline level as being "dry or sweet" with variations in between, but you could have alcohol theorized as a form of savory soup, like an item of a meal, fermentables prepared first and fermented, maybe with pieces of potatoes, sweet potatoes, greens in it. served in a wide bowl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baijiu#Categorisation_by_aroma_profile
the entire world of asian alcohol is hard to truly get into. it is much more than just having a few tastings at some event and thinking one gets it.

the act of drinking it, re: mustard or even spicy peppers and chinese baiju. i feel like a poor harsh distillation is almost the desired outcome with most cheap but standardly drunk and popular er guo tuo and baijiu to add to the "manliness" aspect of drinking it. its unbelievably harsh even considering its ~55% ABV. im not personally familiar with the drinking rituals in russia and ukraine, but i know in ukraine at least it is popular to add spicy peppers to vodka.

thanks to ron pattinson, we have seen that the beer in most of europe pre 1900 had astoundingly high FGs (hitting just 40 or 50% attenuation sometimes), stuff that would likely not be considered drinkable by most people here.

i think there is still a lot of room for experimentation with some "extreme" mineral additions in beer.

you mention sauerkraut, (presumably lactic) pickles. well, it depends on the process - would you have finished pickles with lactic acid producing bacteria active, then add it to beer?? i mean sure you could, but it wouldnt be my pint of bitter by any stretch. if youre considering fermenting cucumbers in beer, im sure that could be possible, alcohol soaked cucumbers, could be a neat trick and im sure it would be a tasty enough flavour component.

hops apparently have a sedative effect, i enjoy the calming, but not sedating effect of lots of chamomile, though the taste isnt my favourite, and ive wanted to add that to some alcohol at some point. but are the chemicals that perform this soluble in alcohol?

as denny said, cheese and dairy likely not for safety reasons. blood apparently also is not a good fermentation medium. though there is milk produced vodka available, fermented through the lactose in the milk. which is also "kumis", fermented milk from the central asian countries.

i mean i guess the sky is the limit, frankly i HATE milkshake IPAs but that was a really innovative style and im sure there are some good examples out there.

at some point in the future we literally might have lab designed yeast/bacteria or extraterrestrially sourced ones.



Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Richard on May 01, 2021, 11:36:18 PM
at some point in the future we literally might have lab designed yeast/bacteria or extraterrestrially sourced ones.

Wait no more. PreEngineered Fluorescent Brewing and Baking Yeast:
https://www.the-odin.com/preengineered-fluorescent-brewing-and-baking-yeast/
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: majorvices on May 02, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
just my opinion, but ingredients that arent commonly found in beer, usually arent common because they dont taste very good in beer.

I SO agree with you

Like mushrooms ... for instance. ;)

I guess you'd have to taste it to know.

The only chanterelles I get are seasonal bulk at costco ... they are actually pretty good. One year I added them to my Belgian Tripel. I really liked the results a lot!
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: erockrph on May 02, 2021, 05:05:19 PM
at some point in the future we literally might have lab designed yeast/bacteria or extraterrestrially sourced ones.

Wait no more. PreEngineered Fluorescent Brewing and Baking Yeast:
https://www.the-odin.com/preengineered-fluorescent-brewing-and-baking-yeast/
Interesting! It would be a cool experiment to compare a filtered vs non-filtered version of the same beer under blacklight to visualize how much yeast is actually still in suspension after cold crashing or lagering.

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Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on May 08, 2021, 02:05:49 PM
What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

I would think vinegar would have a negative effect on yeast as it is used as a preservative. I have however wondered about tomatoes???

The gentleman (now deceased) who taught me how to brew would drink almost anything.  One day he mixed half a bottle of mass-market lager with tomato juice and offered it to me.  I thought it was a waste of both ingredients.
 I also had the "joy" of consuming a 10-year-old bottle of 4% abv ale that seemed like it had been oxidized for at least nine years.

But, I give thanks to him for introducing me to home brewing every time I open a bottle that I've brewed.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: majorvices on May 08, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

I would think vinegar would have a negative effect on yeast as it is used as a preservative. I have however wondered about tomatoes???

The gentleman (now deceased) who taught me how to brew would drink almost anything.  One day he mixed half a bottle of mass-market lager with tomato juice and offered it to me.  I thought it was a waste of both ingredients.


I think that's just a Clamato. Very popular with the hispanics around here. Can be purchased premixed at just about any grocery store.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: denny on May 08, 2021, 04:03:39 PM
What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

I would think vinegar would have a negative effect on yeast as it is used as a preservative. I have however wondered about tomatoes???

The gentleman (now deceased) who taught me how to brew would drink almost anything.  One day he mixed half a bottle of mass-market lager with tomato juice and offered it to me.  I thought it was a waste of both ingredients.


I think that's just a Clamato. Very popular with the hispanics around here. Can be purchased premixed at just about any grocery store.

Yep.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Megary on May 09, 2021, 02:11:10 AM
What about milk, cheese, fermented foods like pickles or sauerkraut, mustard, and catsup?  Also, others you might think of.

I would think vinegar would have a negative effect on yeast as it is used as a preservative. I have however wondered about tomatoes???

The gentleman (now deceased) who taught me how to brew would drink almost anything.  One day he mixed half a bottle of mass-market lager with tomato juice and offered it to me.  I thought it was a waste of both ingredients.


I think that's just a Clamato. Very popular with the hispanics around here. Can be purchased premixed at just about any grocery store.

Yep.
There’s a lot more in a Clamato Beer than just tomato juice and mass market lager. 

https://www.craftbeering.com/clamato-beer-recipe/
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: majorvices on May 09, 2021, 11:35:53 AM
Whatever. I'm not ever drinking one.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 09, 2021, 02:01:06 PM
We used to call them Bloody Beers - using Bloody Mary mix with a beer.  It was a reasonable substitute for the real thing when no vodka was on hand.  A Brunch time weekend drink.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: majorvices on May 09, 2021, 03:16:05 PM
I do like a spicy Bloody Mary especially when hung over on vacation and needing a drunk -- errr jump start.
Title: Re: Ingredients not normally found in beer
Post by: Lazy Ant Brewing on May 09, 2021, 09:24:50 PM
Whatever. I'm not ever drinking one.

Amen, to that.  One, without the clam juice, was enough for me.