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Title: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 10, 2010, 07:10:13 PM
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Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: weithman5 on September 10, 2010, 07:14:32 PM
it taint not that important ::)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: theDarkSide on September 10, 2010, 07:16:32 PM
hmmmm....f##ked up, that is,  yyesss?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: euge on September 10, 2010, 07:20:07 PM
Evidently not to the younger generations, if you've ever gotten a text from a fifteen year old.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: nicneufeld on September 10, 2010, 07:42:18 PM
When you say text you mean a fax right?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 10, 2010, 07:58:04 PM
My favorite example: "I'm going to go help my Uncle, Jack, off his horse."

I don't know about you, but bad grammar is just the tip of the iceberg. I'd say a good 30% of the things I read on the Internet simply make no sense at all - no structure and no discernible thesis. It's just a confused jumble of words, like the aftermath of a liter of vodka and a bowl of alphabet soup.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: weithman5 on September 10, 2010, 07:58:14 PM
if all we had for the last 30 years were texts, and someone came along with voice, people would be wetting themselves with excitement. 8)
ain't that not truthfulness
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 10, 2010, 07:59:54 PM
I'm waiting for somebody to reintroduce dial telephones with cords.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 10, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
They have an iphone app now that lets you dial a simulated rotary. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Also, why aren't shoe phones all the rage by now?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: bonjour on September 10, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
I'm waiting for somebody to reintroduce dial telephones with cords.
how about just picking it up and talking to someone.  You need some help from someone named Mabel.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: bluesman on September 10, 2010, 08:50:11 PM
This was funny as all hell.

Airplane! (1980)

First Jive Dude: Shiiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
Second Jive Dude: Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man!
First Jive Dude: I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see...
Second Jive Dude: Uh-huh.
First Jive Dude: ...pray to J I did the same ol' same ol'!
Second Jive Dude: Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!
First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em...
First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: ...leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!
First Jive Dude: COL' got to be! Y'know? Shiiiiit.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 10, 2010, 08:57:28 PM
Funny that this topic was started by a guy who said this (my emphasis):

I've always thought that it did add a slight honey taste to the beer, but I really wonder how much of that is psychological.  I've done enough study of how preconceptions effect perception to be skeptical of my own tastings when it isn't done blind.  And I haven't done that with honey malt.

Maybe they need to change that pie chart to include audio post production types . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: nicneufeld on September 10, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
"Effect" is a perfectly fine verb, but only in the less commonly employed sense of instigation, as in to effect a certain change.  Affect is the verb most folk are seeking usually!
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on September 10, 2010, 09:09:59 PM
I'm waiting for somebody to reintroduce dial telephones with cords.

My in-laws still have a rotary dial phone on their kitchen wall.  I told them to check their bill and make sure ATT isn't still charging them a $2/ mo rental fee.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: weazletoe on September 10, 2010, 09:28:50 PM
This was funny as all hell.

Airplane! (1980)

First Jive Dude: Shiiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
Second Jive Dude: Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man!
First Jive Dude: I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see...
Second Jive Dude: Uh-huh.
First Jive Dude: ...pray to J I did the same ol' same ol'!
Second Jive Dude: Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!
First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em...
First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: ...leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!
First Jive Dude: COL' got to be! Y'know? Shiiiiit.




"Excuse me, Stewardess, I speak jive. Can I help?"
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 10, 2010, 09:32:34 PM
There
Their
They're
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 10, 2010, 09:37:11 PM
There
Their
They're
I never mess those up when I'm writing, but when I'm typing I do it all of the time.  Obviously my hand knows the difference, my fingers don't. :)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 10, 2010, 10:03:44 PM
I never understood "they're" I always just write they are. Writing an a is just as easy.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 10, 2010, 10:12:04 PM
I'm waiting for somebody to reintroduce dial telephones with cords.
how about just picking it up and talking to someone.  You need some help from someone named Mabel.

That's how it was in my small town when I was a kid.  I remember 2 digit phone numbers.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 10, 2010, 10:13:17 PM
Funny that this topic was started by a guy who said this (my emphasis):

I've always thought that it did add a slight honey taste to the beer, but I really wonder how much of that is psychological.  I've done enough study of how preconceptions effect perception to be skeptical of my own tastings when it isn't done blind.  And I haven't done that with honey malt.

Maybe they need to change that pie chart to include audio post production types . . .  ;D

I was an English major in college, and that's one I still get wrong almost every time!
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: dhacker on September 10, 2010, 10:14:03 PM
That's how it was in my small town when I was a kid.  I remember 2 digit phone numbers.

 . . .and party lines.


two
to
too

The later being the most misunderstood, and misapplied.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: dj99 on September 10, 2010, 10:28:17 PM
I  don't understand this thread at all.  All my grammars been good ladies. :0
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 10, 2010, 10:32:38 PM
Funny that this topic was started by a guy who said this (my emphasis):

I've always thought that it did add a slight honey taste to the beer, but I really wonder how much of that is psychological.  I've done enough study of how preconceptions effect perception to be skeptical of my own tastings when it isn't done blind.  And I haven't done that with honey malt.

Maybe they need to change that pie chart to include audio post production types . . .  ;D

I was an English major in college, and that's one I still get wrong almost every time!
I usually ask myself, if I change the word to "create" or "change", which one makes more sense?  Are you creating perception or changing perception?  Change is affect, create is effect.

It might not work in all sentences, but it's easy to remember which is which - affect has a C in it, and change starts with C.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 10, 2010, 10:51:22 PM
I  don't understand this thread at all.  All my grammars been good ladies. :0

 Because the effects of bad grammer affects everyone.

  ^That ain't too good, is it^ ;D

  All I remember from English class is "the department of redundancy department" and "never end a sentence a proposition with".

 The problem with me is I write gooder than I talk ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 10, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
I usually ask myself, if I change the word to "create" or "change", which one makes more sense?  Are you creating perception or changing perception?  Change is affect, create is effect.

It might not work in all sentences, but it's easy to remember which is which - affect has a C in it, and change starts with C.   ;) ;D

But...but...but...effect has a c in it, too!   ???
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 10, 2010, 11:32:00 PM
I usually ask myself, if I change the word to "create" or "change", which one makes more sense?  Are you creating perception or changing perception?  Change is affect, create is effect.

It might not work in all sentences, but it's easy to remember which is which - affect has a C in it, and change starts with C.   ;) ;D

But...but...but...effect has a c in it, too!   ???

And... AND... "Change" and "Create" both start with "C"! The way I always remember it is that one may affect the effect, which is kind of a shorthand way of saying that when you affect a situation, you have had an effect on it. Just remember it's in alphabetical order.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 10, 2010, 11:36:53 PM
I'm waiting for somebody to reintroduce dial telephones with cords.http://
how about just picking it up and talking to someone.  You need some help from someone named Mabel.

That's how it was in my small town when I was a kid.  I remember 2 digit phone numbers.

Denny's so old, not only does he remember 2-digit phone numbers, but they're the only ones he CAN remember! Ha!
Sorry, Denny... I couldn't resist that one.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: majorvices on September 10, 2010, 11:53:50 PM
Bwahahahahaha! Good one!  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: malzig on September 11, 2010, 12:05:12 AM
I never understood "they're" I always just write they are. Writing an a is just as easy.
It may depend on your accent, but I have no problem with affect and effect because they sound so much different the way I say them.    All I need to do is say the sentance out loud and I immediately know which to use.  On the other hand, I've never said "they are" in my life so it would be really difficult for me to start writing it.

I don't remember before 5 digit phone numbers, but I do remember having to be careful not to say anything you wouldn't say in public on the party line.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beerocd on September 11, 2010, 12:16:07 AM
I really thought its it's that is mis-used most often. ;)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 11, 2010, 12:19:19 AM
I never understood "they're" I always just write they are. Writing an a is just as easy.
It may depend on your accent, but I have no problem with affect and effect because they sound so much different the way I say them.    All I need to do is say the sentance out loud and I immediately know which to use.  On the other hand, I've never said "they are" in my life so it would be really difficult for me to start writing it.

I don't remember before 5 digit phone numbers, but I do remember having to be careful not to say anything you wouldn't say in public on the party line.

How bout when you say 'yes they are'?

I say they're sometimes but I also say they are. I always write they are.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: bluesman on September 11, 2010, 12:59:28 AM
Where yat who dat Santa Claus?   ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 11, 2010, 05:34:02 AM
But...but...but...effect has a c in it, too!   ???

And... AND... "Change" and "Create" both start with "C"!

Yes, have some.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 11, 2010, 03:07:02 PM
But...but...but...effect has a c in it, too!   ???

And... AND... "Change" and "Create" both start with "C"!

Yes, have some.

Yes, have some.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 11, 2010, 03:13:33 PM
I'm waiting for somebody to reintroduce dial telephones with cords.http://
how about just picking it up and talking to someone.  You need some help from someone named Mabel.

That's how it was in my small town when I was a kid.  I remember 2 digit phone numbers.

Denny's so old, not only does he remember 2-digit phone numbers, but they're the only ones he CAN remember! Ha!
Sorry, Denny... I couldn't resist that one.

Whippersnapper....;)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 11, 2010, 03:19:01 PM
You need a cane you can wave at me menacingly when you say that.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: denny on September 11, 2010, 03:28:56 PM
Get off my lawn!  :)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 11, 2010, 04:50:50 PM

Yes, have some.

Yes, have some.
;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: yugamrap on September 12, 2010, 03:02:43 AM
Every grammar snob (like me) should read "Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation"  by Lynne Truss.  We all make mistakes, but it's encouraging to know there are others to whom correct grammar remains important.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2010, 03:17:43 PM
When I was in school too many decades ago, I was taught that the plural for deer was deer, not deers.  
Deer Singular: "That deer is eating the tree."
Deer Plural: "Look at all the deer eating the tree."  Not "look at all the deers eating the tree."

So why do we insist in drinking beers? It must be that majority Denny showed in his graph. The same rule is followed by the word beer or any other word with two ee.  
Beer Singular: "I'd like to have a beer please."
Beer Plural: "Let's go out and have some beer." not "Let's go out and have some beers."

Thank you for indulging our needs for some grammar.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 03:32:29 PM
Thats great.

The English language is totally weird. There are a lot of rules that serve absolutely no purpose. Then there are other things where a rule is needed. Like the need for a plural 'you' Yous' yins, you'all.

When I met my wife she barely spoke any English at all. The last seven years have been one long English lesson for which I am the teacher.  ::)

She asks me so many questions that I am unable to answer.

One is, why are there so many "big" words yet we have to use the same word spelled differently with multiple meanings? It does not make any sense.

There
Their
they're

Right
Rite
Wright
Write

It makes the feminine and masculine situation in the European languages appear to make sense. 
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: euge on September 12, 2010, 03:53:21 PM
All those homonyms have subtle differences in their pronunciation.

Per my attempts to learn French, German and Spanish I've come to appreciate the simplicity of English language conjugation. I would've thought English would be easier to learn due to this, but some second language friends tell me this is not so- that English can be tricky.

Good. ;)

I'll ask my Columbian colleague today about it. He actually uses English properly and to great effect- much better than most Americans I've come across.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 04:22:55 PM
It is also possible to pass judgment on people by the way they use grammar. Spoken or written.

I think there is a big difference between the two, One may use bad grammar on purpose while speaking depending on the persons or situations they may be addressing. But the written word should be correct.

Accept except in conversational forums such as this one. For example mrnate and pinnah who like to write with colloquialisms. Im sure both of them have command of the English language. But it can be fun.

I like this subject.

edited for spelling. spell check doesnt always help either. ::)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 12, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
I can only write like I talk, Y'all.

Unfortunately it's just as natural for me to be highbrow as it is for me to be lowbrow, so I end up with some weird speech and writing patterns.

I said something the other day and my wife's friend asked, "What movie is that from?" I told her it wasn't a movie line. She says, "Oh, it sounds like a line from a Clint Eastwood movie."

"Reckon so," says I.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 12, 2010, 04:56:00 PM
When I was in school too many decades ago, I was taught that the plural for deer was deer, not deers.  
Deer Singular: "That deer is eating the tree."
Deer Plural: "Look at all the deer eating the tree."  Not "look at all the deers eating the tree."

So why do we insist in drinking beers? It must be that majority Denny showed in his graph. The same rule is followed by the word beer or any other word with two ee.  
Beer Singular: "I'd like to have a beer please."
Beer Plural: "Let's go out and have some beer." not "Let's go out and have some beers."

Thank you for indulging our needs for some grammar.
It's both.  Beer can be used as both a mass noun, like furniture, so you'd say "let's go have some beer".  It is also a singular noun, so you can have a beer or four beers.  You wouldn't say to a bartender "I'd like four beer".  Well, I guess you might and you'd get what you wanted, but she might look at you funny.  :)

Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 04:58:15 PM
But can you shoot four deers?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 12, 2010, 05:03:39 PM
If you can find four deers, it would be up to you if you want to shoot them or not :)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 12, 2010, 05:35:58 PM
My name is Tubercle and I'm hooked on phonics.

 I'm a phonoholic.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 05:39:21 PM
I could shoot them, it would depend on how hungry I am.

I could shoot four shots of whiskey, but Im not sure if a shot gun shell is filled with buck shot, or buck shots.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beerocd on September 12, 2010, 05:40:37 PM
I could shoot them, it would depend on how hungry I am.

I could shoot four shots of whiskey, but Im not sure a shot guns shell is filled with buck shot, or buck shots.

So four deer(s) poop in your yard. Is it deer poop, dears poop, deer's poop, or dears' poop ?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 05:41:49 PM
When deers poop, its usually poops.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beerocd on September 12, 2010, 05:44:49 PM
When deers poop, its usually poops.

So you're telling me proper grammar is...  deers poops in my backyard?  ???
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 12, 2010, 05:49:54 PM
When deers poop, its usually poops.

So you're telling me proper grammar is...  deers poops in my backyard?  ???
Nah, you're pluralizing a verb (poop).  Deer poop in your yard, leaving deer poops.  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 12, 2010, 05:49:59 PM
I could shoot them, it would depend on how hungry I am.

I could shoot four shots of whiskey, but Im not sure a shot guns shell is filled with buck shot, or buck shots.

So four deer(s) poop in your yard. Is it deer poop, dears poop, deer's poop, or dears' poop ?

 Q: What is that all over the yard?
 A: Deer poop.

 Q: Who (or is it whom) does that poop belong to that is all over the yard?
 A: That is the deer's poop.

Both of these are probably wrong :'(
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 05:54:09 PM

Im sorry, I was confusing poop with turds.

They are deer turds.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beerocd on September 12, 2010, 05:55:32 PM


 Q: Who (or is it whom) does that poop belong to that is all over the yard?
 A: That is the deer's poop.


It's not his anymore once he drops it.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beerocd on September 12, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
When deers poop, its usually poops.

So you're telling me proper grammar is...  deers poops in my backyard?  ???
Nah, you're pluralizing a verb (poop).  Deer poop in your yard, leaving deer poops.  ;D

Is NOT a verb! I can't step in a verb.  :P That was multiple poop from multiple deer.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 06:01:29 PM
To poop is a verb.

The product of that action,( the poop) is a noun.

A person has pooped.

A person poops.

Can there be a lot of poops?

If you ask me it is all a bunch of s***.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beerocd on September 12, 2010, 06:04:22 PM

Can there be a lot of poops?


Get drunk - eat white castles - let me know.
I'm going over to the bbq thread. This should be locked soon anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 12, 2010, 06:13:56 PM
You are talking about the s***s. That's an affliction.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 12, 2010, 06:23:34 PM
I thought Affliction was a proper noun.  ;)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: Steve on September 14, 2010, 03:00:26 PM
You wouldn't say to a bartender "I'd like four beer".  Well, I guess you might and you'd get what you wanted, but she might look at you funny.  :)

Ah yes the quantifier! Since you're (not your) adding an amount it's okay to add the s.  Yes, yes.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 14, 2010, 03:58:07 PM
You wouldn't say to a bartender "I'd like four beer".  Well, I guess you might and you'd get what you wanted, but she might look at you funny.  :)

Ah yes the quantifier! Since you're (not your) adding an amount it's okay to add the s.  Yes, yes.
So then if someone says "let's go get some beers" you can assume you're each getting more than one.  Because if they say "let's go get a beer" you don't think you're going to split one, do you? :)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: Slowbrew on September 14, 2010, 04:29:26 PM
I thought Affliction was a proper noun.  ;)

I read that wrong the first time I saw it.  I thought it said "Afflecktion"  which would be being forced to watch Ben Affleck movies all the time and that would just be cruel.

Paul
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 14, 2010, 06:13:39 PM
I thought Affliction was a proper noun.  ;)

I read that wrong the first time I saw it.  I thought it said "Afflecktion"  which would be being forced to watch Ben Affleck movies all the time and that would just be cruel.

Paul

What, you didn't like Gigli or Reindeer Games?
But no, I meant Affliction (http://www.afflictionclothingstore.com/Randy-Warbird-Signature-Series-SS-TEE-VWBPS/productinfo/A2257-338/).  ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: weithman5 on September 14, 2010, 06:34:32 PM
It's not his anymore once he drops it.

So if a bunch, herd, group of deers poops in my yards does it become my dear's poop?  she would not like that ::)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: Steve on September 14, 2010, 10:03:53 PM
Holy crap, er poop. Deer me.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: a10t2 on September 15, 2010, 03:47:06 PM
The one that's been killing me lately is the new sense that "anymore" seems to be taking. Anymore, people use it to mean something like "nowadays".

That, and a verb construction that I've only heard in Indiana, and which is incredibly common here: [noun] needs [past participle]. As in, "My car needs cleaned." Doing it without the passive voice ("to be") just sounds incredibly wrong to me.

(Sorry I didn't get this in before the thread was re-dedicated to poop jokes.)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 15, 2010, 03:57:02 PM
The one that's been killing me lately is the new sense that "anymore" seems to be taking. Anymore, people use it to mean something like "nowadays".

That, and a verb construction that I've only heard in Indiana, and which is incredibly common here: [noun] needs [past participle]. As in, "My car needs cleaned." Doing it without the passive voice ("to be") just sounds incredibly wrong to me.

(Sorry I didn't get this in before the thread was re-dedicated to poop jokes.)

I was chastised at work for copy correcting some web content that was missing the "to be." When in Rome, I suppose...
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: gordonstrong on September 15, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
Quote
That, and a verb construction that I've only heard in Indiana, and which is incredibly common here: [noun] needs [past participle]. As in, "My car needs cleaned." Doing it without the passive voice ("to be") just sounds incredibly wrong to me.

Not just Indiana.  I hear it in Ohio too.  Typically from people who also insist that our nation's capital is "Warshington."
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: Slowbrew on September 15, 2010, 04:20:50 PM
Don't forget all the the people who need to get some AA battrees.

Dad always said it that way.  It drove SWMBO nuts.  To really set her off some days the kids (ya, the kids, that's it) will ask something like "did someone warsh this sweater with a set of battrees in the pocket?".  It's good for 30 minutes or so of ranting.   ;D
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 15, 2010, 04:28:01 PM
Quote
That, and a verb construction that I've only heard in Indiana, and which is incredibly common here: [noun] needs [past participle]. As in, "My car needs cleaned." Doing it without the passive voice ("to be") just sounds incredibly wrong to me.

Not just Indiana.  I hear it in Ohio too.  Typically from people who also insist that our nation's capital is "Warshington."
I dated a girl in college who used to say that - she was from Eastern PA, near Allentown.  More Pennsylvania Dutch country than Philly-style.

The one that bugs me is "anyways" instead of just saying "anyway".  Seriously annoying.

I met a guy in Yreka once who referred to AAA, what everyone else I've ever met called Triple-A, as AAA, saying each letter like he was saying FBI.  Strange guy.  Replaced my transmission in less than a day though, so that was good.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on September 15, 2010, 04:35:42 PM
Funny that this topic was started by a guy who said this (my emphasis):

I've always thought that it did add a slight honey taste to the beer, but I really wonder how much of that is psychological.  I've done enough study of how preconceptions effect perception to be skeptical of my own tastings when it isn't done blind.  And I haven't done that with honey malt.

Maybe they need to change that pie chart to include audio post production types . . .  ;D

I was an English major in college, and that's one I still get wrong almost every time!
I grew up in a German town full of Meiers (Kohlmeiers, Sultemeiers, and plain old Meiers) and Steins, etc.  I still can't do the "I before E" thing correctly.  Damn Germans.  I'm an English major, too, and my teachers couldn't understand why I got it confused.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: gordonstrong on September 15, 2010, 05:10:32 PM
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That, and a verb construction that I've only heard in Indiana, and which is incredibly common here: [noun] needs [past participle]. As in, "My car needs cleaned." Doing it without the passive voice ("to be") just sounds incredibly wrong to me.

I don't know if this a joke or not, but at one time I heard that the most frequently cited reason for murder in Texas was "needed killing."

Add to the list people who say "I could care less" when they really mean "I couldn't care less."

OK, this is a joke.  Guy walks into a pharmacy and asks "got anything for a headache?" Pharmacist thinks a minute and hands him a bottle of something.  After the guy leaves, the pharmacist says to a colleague, "I wonder if he meant to ask if I had anything to get rid of a headache?"
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 15, 2010, 05:31:54 PM
The one that bugs me is "anyways" instead of just saying "anyway".  Seriously annoying.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anyways

I've had this discussion before, maybe not here. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about "anyways," or for that matter, "anywise." It's that the modern usage is typically incorrect. Although it's interesting to note that it's been thusly abused for an absurdly long time. Which really makes you wonder about just how elastic language should be if we've been collectively using a word "incorrectly" for centuries.

Interesting write-up here if you're interested in stuffy grammarian foofaraw: http://maddy06.blogspot.com/2007/03/anyways.html
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 15, 2010, 05:46:12 PM
The one that bugs me is "anyways" instead of just saying "anyway".  Seriously annoying.
I've had this discussion before, maybe not here. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about "anyways," or for that matter, "anywise." It's that the modern usage is typically incorrect.
Either way (or is it either ways?) it hurts my ears. :)

And another thing, what is with these US politicians saying "take a decision"?  Since when did we start taking decisions instead of making decisions?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 15, 2010, 05:47:29 PM
In  S.C. we have different sayings related to distance. I guess other areas of the country do also.

There is a great difference in:
 
 "Down the road"
 "Down the road aways"
 "Right down the road"
 "Over there"
 "Right near by"
 "A good ways off."
 "A good bit away"
 "back over that way"
 "right over the hill"
 "Over yonder" (this is the one that drives the half-back Yankees crazy the most and hence, is the one used most often)


 All of these are very precise measurements of distance and travel time.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: dbeechum on September 15, 2010, 05:52:55 PM
My favorite Southernism that I use sometimes to irritate the English teachers is my family is "fixin' ta" as in "I'm fixin' ta go to the store. Need anything?"

The absolute best for causing the little jumpy eyelid tic is to combine it with "made" as in "I'm fixin' ta get my picture made"
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: akr71 on September 15, 2010, 06:47:15 PM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anyways

I've had this discussion before, maybe not here. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about "anyways," or for that matter, "anywise." It's that the modern usage is typically incorrect. Although it's interesting to note that it's been thusly abused for an absurdly long time. Which really makes you wonder about just how elastic language should be if we've been collectively using a word "incorrectly" for centuries.

Interesting write-up here if you're interested in stuffy grammarian foofaraw: http://maddy06.blogspot.com/2007/03/anyways.html

Well, there goes my theory that grammar teachers are trying to stagnate the natural evolution of language.  They didn't totally drop the ball though, as we are still studying 500 year old plays in high school English class.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 15, 2010, 07:01:49 PM
My favorite Southernism that I use sometimes to irritate the English teachers is my family is "fixin' ta" as in "I'm fixin' ta go to the store. Need anything?"

The absolute best for causing the little jumpy eyelid tic is to combine it with "made" as in "I'm fixin' ta get my picture made"

 True story...

  A few weeks ago in a conversation with my cousin I heard this; true story.

 "She shook me awake and I hear'd something up and under the house. I grabbed my pistol and looked about and there was a ol' tom cat. I holler'd at him and he ran and clem'd that there pecan tree. I stood up and under him and said "you better git, 'cause I'm fixin' to put one in your ass.

Welcome to a South Carolina high school graduate's conversation.

 I don't know how much else is wrong.

<sigh, he makes more than I do, actually he supervises about 12 people> (Just stay away)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 15, 2010, 07:51:47 PM
The one that bugs me is "anyways" instead of just saying "anyway".  Seriously annoying.
I've had this discussion before, maybe not here. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about "anyways," or for that matter, "anywise." It's that the modern usage is typically incorrect.
Either way (or is it either ways?) it hurts my ears. :)

And another thing, what is with these US politicians saying "take a decision"?  Since when did we start taking decisions instead of making decisions?

Im alright with anyways, wont use it but it is OK,. Now "anywho" on the other hand, that just makes me want to punch someone in the face. Doesnt even have to be the person who said it, just anyone within arms length.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 15, 2010, 08:45:49 PM
Im alright with anyways, wont use it but it is OK,. Now "anywho" on the other hand, that just makes me want to punch someone in the face. Doesnt even have to be the person who said it, just anyone within arms length.
I'm with you on that one. :)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 15, 2010, 08:59:15 PM
And another thing, what is with these US politicians saying "take a decision"?  Since when did we start taking decisions instead of making decisions?

I haven't heard that one. But then again, I stopped listening to politicians after Perot lost.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 15, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
Around here almost everyone says wooder instead of water. Oh man I hate that, I have to say water every time I hear someone say it that-a-way.

And what is it with people saying libary, I hate that one too. Its library.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 01:12:40 AM
There's a lot of "supposably" around here. But when I tell people I'm from Baltimore, I get a 2-second quizzical look before they brighten up and say, "Oh! Bal-Ti-More!" like they just figured out the secret to cold fusion.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 16, 2010, 02:01:18 AM
Arent you near Princeton though? Those people practically have a British accent.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 02:11:37 AM
Relatively, but this is definitely not the Princeton suburbs. Plus, I live in the "ghetto" part of Bridgewater. God how that makes me laugh every time I hear it - And I do hear it. A lot. From people who actually mean it.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 16, 2010, 04:00:18 AM
There's a lot of "supposably" around here. But when I tell people I'm from Baltimore, I get a 2-second quizzical look before they brighten up and say, "Oh! Bal-Ti-More!" like they just figured out the secret to cold fusion.
Yeah, because you probably pronounce Baltimore "Ballmer"
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 04:40:44 AM
There's a lot of "supposably" around here. But when I tell people I'm from Baltimore, I get a 2-second quizzical look before they brighten up and say, "Oh! Bal-Ti-More!" like they just figured out the secret to cold fusion.
Yeah, because you probably pronounce Baltimore "Ballmer"

Actually more like "Bawldemor" - I don't have much of an accent. Confused the hell out of me when I watched that damn Lord of the Rings movie, though.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 16, 2010, 05:35:22 AM
Yeah, because you probably pronounce Baltimore "Ballmer"

Actually more like "Bawldemor" - I don't have much of an accent. Confused the hell out of me when I watched that damn Lord of the Rings movie, though.
;D

A buddy of mine from "Sollsbree" (Salisbury) always called it "Ballmer"
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Post by: jeffy on September 16, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
Yeah, because you probably pronounce Baltimore "Ballmer"

Actually more like "Bawldemor" - I don't have much of an accent. Confused the hell out of me when I watched that damn Lord of the Rings movie, though.
;D

A buddy of mine from "Sollsbree" (Salisbury) always called it "Ballmer"
That's what my NHC t-shirt says, Hon.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 01:49:04 PM
There are variations in the accent, which by the way stretches up to parts of Philly.

I still say "Downeocean" and can't force myself to say "Down to the Shore."
I was confused that the Blair Witch Project didn't actually tke place in Bel Air.
Druid Hill will always be "Droodle" to me.
The only time I say "Y'all" is when it's right after a "F*** all..."
I never pronounced it "Ballmer" but always "Merlin."

But that's about it. Phone, home, water, oil, sink - All pronounced normal. Maybe a slight inflection on "Hon," but that's about it.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: beersk on September 16, 2010, 02:35:25 PM
This was funny as all hell.

Airplane! (1980)

First Jive Dude: Shiiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?
Second Jive Dude: Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man!
First Jive Dude: I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see...
Second Jive Dude: Uh-huh.
First Jive Dude: ...pray to J I did the same ol' same ol'!
Second Jive Dude: Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!
First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em...
First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: ...leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!
First Jive Dude: COL' got to be! Y'know? Shiiiiit.


Ahhh shiiiiiiiiit man, that is fuuuuuuuunny!!
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 16, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
But that's about it. Phone, home, water, oil, sink - All pronounced normal. Maybe a slight inflection on "Hon," but that's about it.
Wait, sink?  How else would you pronounce it?  I can understand the others, but I thought sink was pretty straightforward.

And Hon? Jeffy mentioned that too, I don't get it.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 04:06:02 PM
Wait, sink?  How else would you pronounce it?  I can understand the others, but I thought sink was pretty straightforward.

And Hon? Jeffy mentioned that too, I don't get it.

Fown = Phone
Howm = Home
Wooder = Water
Earl = Oil
Zinc = Sink
Hon - No good way to spell this out without some sort of special character. "Hon" gets tacked on to the end of sentences similar to the Canadian "Eh."
Edit: Google "Mary Prankster" if you want to hear the accent up close and personal. I won't post those links here.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 16, 2010, 04:31:36 PM
Zinc = Sink
Funny, I've never heard that one :)

Hon - No good way to spell this out without some sort of special character. "Hon" gets tacked on to the end of sentences similar to the Canadian "Eh."
Never heard of this either.  Is it like hun, short for honey?  Or is it something else?  Trying to google it led to some hilarious rants against Baltimore and the Ravens  ;D

Edit: Google "Mary Prankster" if you want to hear the accent up close and personal. I won't post those links here.
:o
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 04:39:11 PM
Never heard of this either.  Is it like hun, short for honey?  Or is it something else?  Trying to google it led to some hilarious rants against Baltimore and the Ravens  ;D

Yeah, exactly, but kind of with that drawn out "ow" sound in the middle. Like you're ordering a cup of coffee in the diner after coming from the dentist's office with half a face full of novicaine.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: jeffy on September 16, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Try this site: www.baltimorehon.com
When they had the NHC in Bawlmer, they had some of the local jargon on the t-shirt.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 16, 2010, 06:58:18 PM
Yeah, exactly, but kind of with that drawn out "ow" sound in the middle. Like you're ordering a cup of coffee in the diner after coming from the dentist's office with half a face full of novicaine.
That's an awesome image :)

Try this site: www.baltimorehon.com
When they had the NHC in Bawlmer, they had some of the local jargon on the t-shirt.

That's excellent, now they just need some mp3s so we can hear it :)

I missed the NHC in Bawlmer, my kids were only about 3 months old at that point.  I couldn't have gotten away with going, but the look on SWMBOs face when I brought it up was priceless.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 16, 2010, 07:04:12 PM
You know what? Just find some old Billy Mays clips (God rest his energetic soul) - He's from Philly, but apparently the part that has a very similar accent. Listen to the way he says "powerful" especially.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: capozzoli on September 16, 2010, 07:38:42 PM
 Around Kensington they call Girard Ave. Girahad Ave. Like they are from Boston or somewhere. Maybe that is where he is from.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 16, 2010, 09:32:03 PM
Tar - A rubber thing you put on the rim of a car.
Far - What happens to wood when you strike a match to it.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: weithman5 on September 16, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
speaking of pronunciations.

the word vaccine is pronounced vacksine or vaxine.  the correct pronounciation? way to say flaccid is actually flaxid the same as vaccine.  i have found a source that indicates that it can be said flassid, and nearly everybody in the medical community says it this way. so when i say it correctly, i get goofy stares.  :-\
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tschmidlin on September 16, 2010, 10:06:11 PM
speaking of pronunciations.

the word vaccine is pronounced vacksine or vaxine.  the correct pronounciation? way to say flaccid is actually flaxid the same as vaccine.  i have found a source that indicates that it can be said flassid, and nearly everybody in the medical community says it this way. so when i say it correctly, i get goofy stares.  :-\
Flassid is much more common than flaxid.  While it is correct to say it flaxid, it is not more correct than saying it flassid.  Both are acceptable. :)
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 17, 2010, 12:14:35 AM
Tar - A rubber thing you put on the rim of a car.
Far - What happens to wood when you strike a match to it.

After all my talk about not having much of an accent, I caught myself telling my daughter to go get in the "shere" (shower) tonight.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: Mikey on September 17, 2010, 02:54:28 AM
Just think how boring our society would be if we all spoke the same way, but I love the south.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tumarkin on September 17, 2010, 11:26:24 AM
and then there's always the plural plural for emphasis...... all y'all come back nao, ya heah?
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on September 17, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
I remember the Hoosiers would always say "back in the back"
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Post by: dbeechum on September 17, 2010, 03:31:57 PM
and then there's always the plural plural for emphasis...... all y'all come back nao, ya heah?

That cause there's 2 and then there's 3 or more. sheesh!
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Post by: Steve on September 17, 2010, 06:14:16 PM
Howz abouts " I needs to ax you sumpin"  or "I bunked into him de udder day." Using bunk instead of bump. Both are Brooklyn NY isms.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: MrNate on September 17, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
and then there's always the plural plural for emphasis...... all y'all come back nao, ya heah?

That cause there's 2 and then there's 3 or more. sheesh!

I can't count that high.
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: dbeechum on September 17, 2010, 09:15:31 PM
I needs to ax you sumpin

I don't know about anyone else but I heard that all over the place in the South when I was growing up.
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Post by: EHall on September 17, 2010, 09:45:11 PM
I thought it was: So I aks him...  ??!!
Title: Re: Why Grammar is Important
Post by: tubercle on September 18, 2010, 12:14:07 AM
and then there's always the plural plural for emphasis...... all y'all come back nao, ya heah?

 That's one thing visitors to the south don't always understand.

 Y'all is singular as in speaking to one person even though it is a contraction of "you all". A greeting to a single person is "How y'all doing today?".
 When speaking to two or more people the plural form is used; "How are all y'all doing today?"

 The reason being, when you speak to an individual, especially wondering how they are doing, you are automatically including their family, hence all of you. If any thing is going on, you are about to get an ear full; aches & pains, sister's gallbladder operation, grandma's trick knee, laid off work. etc...