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Title: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ttash on November 06, 2021, 06:33:31 am
I'm curious if anyone is using the Keg Washer from Ss Brewtech and your thoughts about it.

It looks like a great piece of equipment, and I'm trying to justify the high cost.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: waltsmalt on November 06, 2021, 07:38:49 am
I do not own one, but I did build one from extra parts I had around and a submersible pump.  I bought an inexpensive spray ball from Amazon and it works great to clean both fermenters and kegs. 

It is a really nice piece of equipment but I don’t think I have even $100 into my setup (maybe I’m a little light due to having so many parts around from bad ideas in the past).  The SS Brewtech washer is $250.

I know that’s not what your original post was asking, but I don’t think their design does anything mine does not. 
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Bob357 on November 06, 2021, 09:18:37 am
I use a Bucket Blaster and it does a great job of cleaning kegs and fermenters. William's Brewing has them on sale for $54.99. It comes with a bucket that the unit can be stored in too. I can't see paying almost 5 times that for a keg washer.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: BrewBama on November 06, 2021, 09:25:09 am
I use a water hose and a garden spray adapter.



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Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: RC on November 06, 2021, 10:05:56 am
Like everything else from SS Brewtech, it is a massively overpriced, over-engineered piece of equipment. There are cheaper CIP keg washers that are just as functional. The Bucket Blaster is a good choice. If you must go SS Brewtech, Morebeer is selling it for $211.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: denny on November 06, 2021, 10:32:24 am
I use a water hose and a garden spray adapter.



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Indeed.  Pragmatic.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Big_Eight on November 06, 2021, 10:34:07 am
I got the Mark II keg/carboy washer years ago from Northern Brewer. Then it was around $80 ($100 now).

Either way I wouldn't fork out cash for the SS Brewtech especially given some of their horrible QC issues I've seen posted over on HBT recently.

My pump went out on my kegwasher a year or so ago. Found pretty much the exact pump on Ebay for $20 and was off to the races again.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ttash on November 06, 2021, 10:59:31 am
Thanks for the input.

Nearly all of my kegs are the single metal strap handle, not the rubber tops. And I don't have any carboys, I ferment in stainless buckets.

I looked at the Mark II keg/carboy washer and other than looking like overpriced plastic junk, my kegs wouldn't stand upright.

I also looked at the Keg Blaster, but it has the same problem with the kegs I have. Plus, again no need for compatibility with carboys.

What I really like about the Ss Brewtech unit is that it attaches to the keg, and allows you to move it from bucket to bucket for cleaning, rinsing, and sanitizing.

I've saved a lot of money over the years by building as much of my own equipment as possible. I built my own keg washer years ago, but I never really loved it, and it's time for an upgrade.

Other than what you hear on various forums, has anyone used the Ss Brewtech Keg Washer?
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: waltsmalt on November 06, 2021, 11:07:25 am
“What I really like about the Ss Brewtech unit is that it attaches to the keg, and allows you to move it from bucket to bucket for cleaning, rinsing, and sanitizing.“

That is a really nice feature. 
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Big_Eight on November 06, 2021, 12:13:58 pm
Here is the SS Brewtech thread over on HBT just be aware.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/ss-brewtech-qc-is-awful-now.694589/

The kegwasher might look like that to you but I've had a much different experience actually using it.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ttash on November 06, 2021, 01:36:26 pm
Here is the SS Brewtech thread over on HBT just be aware.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/ss-brewtech-qc-is-awful-now.694589/

The kegwasher might look like that to you but I've had a much different experience actually using it.

What is your experience using the keg washer?

I have other Ss Brewtech gear, and it's all top notch with no problems whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: denny on November 06, 2021, 01:39:01 pm
Please excuse the derailment, but I'm really stumped why a keg washer is needed at the homebrew level. This is an honest question, not a troll.  I can't for the life of me see how it could get easier than filling a keg with Craftmeister alkaline, letting it sit a few hours, and rinsing it out.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: RC on November 06, 2021, 02:05:58 pm
Please excuse the derailment, but I'm really stumped why a keg washer is needed at the homebrew level. This is an honest question, not a troll.  I can't for the life of me see how it could get easier than filling a keg with Craftmeister alkaline, letting it sit a few hours, and rinsing it out.

Two reasons for me:

1) The recent atmospheric river notwithstanding, water is an extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely precious commodity where I live (Sacramento area), and it is in extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely short supply. I can't justify filling a keg with 5 gal of water that simply gets dumped afterward. Using a keg washer allows me to use just 1 gal.

2) I usually have to clean many kegs at once. I reuse the cleaning solution for each keg, but if I fill a keg with 5 gal, this entails having to lift it up to dump it into the next keg. I can't do this anymore with my back.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Bob357 on November 06, 2021, 02:21:45 pm
Beyond what RC states, a lot less water means a lot less cleaner too. Other plusses include the dip tubes and posts/poppets being cleaned in place as the keg is being cleaned. With the addition of a fitting or 2 and some tubing, it will clean QDs, beverage lines and faucets too. All in all, a great labor saver and all in one equipment cleaner for the price.

As you say Denny, if you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong, or something to that affect. I never had any fun cleaning kegs, fermenters, beverage lines and faucets. The Bucket Blaster, and, I assume, similar setups, greatly reduce the not so fun aspect of cleaning your gear.  I like pragmatic, but it's even better when enhanced by practicality :)
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ttash on November 06, 2021, 02:51:53 pm
I'm with RC and Bob on this one. With a keg washer I can clean, rinse, and sanitize 10 kegs with just a few gallons of water and a  few ounces of chemicals. Super efficient.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: denny on November 06, 2021, 03:30:37 pm
Thanks for the explanation, folks.  Makes perfect sense and since water isn't an issue for me, it's something I'd never considered.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: BrewBama on November 06, 2021, 04:07:09 pm
Same here. Never considered the water savings issue.



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Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Richard on November 06, 2021, 05:05:50 pm
Yeah, you don't need 5 gallons of cleaning solution to clean a 5 gallon keg, and you don't need 5 gallons of sanitizer to sanitize a 5 gallon keg or fermenter. If done properly, you can do the job with a fraction of the volume of the container. To some of us it matters.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: redrocker652002 on November 07, 2021, 01:03:50 pm
The Bucket Blaster looks pretty cool.  I can use a smaller amount of water, run it for 20 mins, and then fill with clean water for the rinse.  It works on Fermenter buckets as well I take it?  For 50 bucks I can use half the water and use it more efficiently.  Hmmm, I might have to do a bit more research on this   
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 08, 2021, 08:17:00 am
For me, the ability to clean all diptubes, poppets and keg interior without removing the posts is welcome.  I don’t tear down the keg each time, which has greatly diminished leaks on both beer and CO2 sides.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: narvin on November 08, 2021, 08:20:55 am
For me, the ability to clean all diptubes, poppets and keg interior without removing the posts is welcome.  I don’t tear down the keg each time, which has greatly diminished leaks on both beer and CO2 sides.

I agree.  I built my own and I can fill it with a few gallons of PBW, do 5 kegs, then fill it with rinse water or saniclean and not worry about any crevices.  If nothing else it gives me peace of mind with less work since I'd normally be taking off the posts and using a brush.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: trapae on November 08, 2021, 10:15:37 pm
I have the ssbrewtech keg washer and like it.  No issues.  Less water, don’t have to break it down.  It is expensive though.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: redrocker652002 on November 09, 2021, 12:27:44 am
In looking at the specs, it seems the bucket they provide is about 11 3/4 inches in diameter, while the fermenter bucket I got from Northern Brewery is about 12 inches.  Bummer, but I might get it for the keg washing part of it and try and do something to get it to work on my buckets. 
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: HopDen on November 09, 2021, 04:37:36 am
Just ordered now. Will see how it works. I like the idea of not breaking down a keg every time I clean them.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ttash on November 09, 2021, 11:05:35 am
Thanks for all the feedback.

I just ordered one as well. I'll post my impressions once I receive it and clean a bunch of kegs.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: redrocker652002 on November 09, 2021, 09:10:47 pm
I cannot wait to see what you all say about this.  I think it is a cool idea that will save me a ton of water.  And in the San Francisco bay area, that is going to save me money as well. 
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Saccharomyces on November 10, 2021, 04:37:53 pm
I am a fan of SS Brewtech gear.  I have their 10-gallon TC kettle and a 7-gallon Brew Bucket.  I also own a Delta Brewing Systems (DBS) 6.6-gallon kettle and their 4-gallon version of a brew bucket.  There is no comparison in build quality between the two. The DBS gear is good, but the SS Brewtech gear is better.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ynotbrusum on November 10, 2021, 05:36:57 pm
To be clear, my keg washer is homemade - a bucket with a pump tied to a manifold leading to a spray mast and separate QDC’s for both keg posts.  It works great so far (5-6 years).
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Wilbur on November 11, 2021, 07:17:28 pm
A 5 lb container of craft meister alkaline brew wash cost $33. With a $10 pump and a few fittings, you can make that last 4-5x longer. Cost of water is irrelevant, the cleaner is what gets you.

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Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Saccharomyces on November 13, 2021, 01:28:47 pm
There is no way that I could justify such an expensive toy.  A 4.5lb box of Savogran TSP (the real stuff, not sodium metasilicate passed off as TSP) costs around $11.00 at Home Depot.  A rounded teaspoon in a 5-gallon soak will leave even filthy kegs spotless.  There is no need to disassemble a keg when it clean it.  All one needs to do is add cleaner, fill the keg completely to the top, push down on the liquid poppet until liquid comes out of it, and let it soak.  I have always used picnic faucets in a standard fridge, so I seal a keg, add a picnic faucet, and run cleaner through the picnic faucet  before removing the lid and topping off the keg with hot water. 


I am curious as to how people who are so water conscious chill their wort?  For me, chilling is the largest single use of water in brewing.  I used a minimum of 10-gallons when chilling only 3.5 gallons and that is with the first five gallons running into a white bucket for cleaning and the second five gallons recirculating with ice.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: HopDen on November 13, 2021, 02:06:03 pm
Plate chiller. 15-25 gallon batches. Water is cheap and abundant where I live and I honestly don't give it a second thought about running the effluent down the drain.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: Richard on November 13, 2021, 06:59:12 pm
I am curious as to how people who are so water conscious chill their wort?  For me, chilling is the largest single use of water in brewing.  I used a minimum of 10-gallons when chilling only 3.5 gallons and that is with the first five gallons running into a white bucket for cleaning and the second five gallons recirculating with ice.
I do much the same as you: save the hot water in the sink for cleaning and save the rest of the water in buckets for watering the garden. It uses water but it doesn't waste water. Very little goes down the drain.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: redrocker652002 on November 14, 2021, 09:13:40 pm
Plate chiller. 15-25 gallon batches. Water is cheap and abundant where I live and I honestly don't give it a second thought about running the effluent down the drain.

I saw a really cool setup where the guy put hose fittings on the end of the chiller, ran the hose into a cooler and hooked it up to a pump.  that way the water recirculated and was not wasted.  That is going to be my next project once I get this keg washer worked out.  I am thinking I can use the same pump.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: redrocker652002 on November 14, 2021, 09:15:26 pm
For me, the ability to clean all diptubes, poppets and keg interior without removing the posts is welcome.  I don’t tear down the keg each time, which has greatly diminished leaks on both beer and CO2 sides.

I agree.  I built my own and I can fill it with a few gallons of PBW, do 5 kegs, then fill it with rinse water or saniclean and not worry about any crevices.  If nothing else it gives me peace of mind with less work since I'd normally be taking off the posts and using a brush.

Do you happen to have a parts list or a write up on what you did?  I have found many on youtube, but just collecting info and seeing what is the best.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: RC on November 15, 2021, 11:58:35 am
I am curious as to how people who are so water conscious chill their wort?

I have a pool and a hot tub. These need frequent topping off. I run the outlet water from my IC into one or both of them.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: HopDen on November 15, 2021, 02:32:49 pm
Plate chiller. 15-25 gallon batches. Water is cheap and abundant where I live and I honestly don't give it a second thought about running the effluent down the drain.

I saw a really cool setup where the guy put hose fittings on the end of the chiller, ran the hose into a cooler and hooked it up to a pump.  that way the water recirculated and was not wasted.  That is going to be my next project once I get this keg washer worked out.  I am thinking I can use the same pump.

Post some pics when you put it together!
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: HopDen on November 15, 2021, 04:30:44 pm
Just ordered now. Will see how it works. I like the idea of not breaking down a keg every time I clean them.


Update:Received the keg washer late yesterday so I couldn't wait to come home today and try it out. Assembly was a snap and self explanatory although it did arrive with 2 threaded 12" pipes but without a threaded coupling to join the two together. For my use of cleaning corny kegs and an occasional carboy one is sufficient.
 
I cleaned 3 kegs using 3 gallons of water with 3 Tbs of Onestep cleaner and cycled for 15 minutes each. Maybe overkill on time, IDK. Disassembled the fittings to examine and they were clean. No less clean had I soaked them  in cleaner. Dip tube upon inspection with a light was sufficiently clean too.

Overall I am pleased with how it worked and for the money, a decent buy.

Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: redrocker652002 on November 16, 2021, 01:14:01 am
Just ordered now. Will see how it works. I like the idea of not breaking down a keg every time I clean them.


Update:Received the keg washer late yesterday so I couldn't wait to come home today and try it out. Assembly was a snap and self explanatory although it did arrive with 2 threaded 12" pipes but without a threaded coupling to join the two together. For my use of cleaning corny kegs and an occasional carboy one is sufficient.
 
I cleaned 3 kegs using 3 gallons of water with 3 Tbs of Onestep cleaner and cycled for 15 minutes each. Maybe overkill on time, IDK. Disassembled the fittings to examine and they were clean. No less clean had I soaked them  in cleaner. Dip tube upon inspection with a light was sufficiently clean too.

Overall I am pleased with how it worked and for the money, a decent buy.

Which did you buy? 
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: HopDen on November 16, 2021, 04:35:03 am
Just ordered now. Will see how it works. I like the idea of not breaking down a keg every time I clean them.


Update:Received the keg washer late yesterday so I couldn't wait to come home today and try it out. Assembly was a snap and self explanatory although it did arrive with 2 threaded 12" pipes but without a threaded coupling to join the two together. For my use of cleaning corny kegs and an occasional carboy one is sufficient.
 
I cleaned 3 kegs using 3 gallons of water with 3 Tbs of Onestep cleaner and cycled for 15 minutes each. Maybe overkill on time, IDK. Disassembled the fittings to examine and they were clean. No less clean had I soaked them  in cleaner. Dip tube upon inspection with a light was sufficiently clean too.

Overall I am pleased with how it worked and for the money, a decent buy.

Which did you buy?

The bucket blaster from Williams Brewing.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: goose on November 16, 2021, 08:50:45 am
Please excuse the derailment, but I'm really stumped why a keg washer is needed at the homebrew level. This is an honest question, not a troll.  I can't for the life of me see how it could get easier than filling a keg with Craftmeister alkaline, letting it sit a few hours, and rinsing it out.

I agree with Denny here.

FWIW, I clean mine the old fashioned way.  A caustic type cleaner, like PBW, Craftmeister, or a bulk milk tank cleaner that is cheaper to buy, a gallon of two of hot water, and a keg brush.  I can clean a keg in about five minutes, including removing and cleaning the dip tubes and keg plugs.  I then rinse them with hot water, reassemble them, pressurize them with CO2 and set them aside until it is time to sanitize and fill them (pressurizing them will tell me if I have any leaks when I go to use them).  I get them clean and don't have to fork out money for a keg washer that I don't have room to store in my small brewery. It works fine for me.
Title: Re: Ss Brewtech Keg Washer
Post by: ttash on November 22, 2021, 08:07:38 am
I recieved the Ss Brewtech keg washer recently and yesterday set it up and cleaned 4 kegs.
Setup was a snap, and since the unit attaches to the inside of the keg it worked equally as well with my single strap handle kegs as it did with the rubber top kegs. Which is something that the other keg washers won't do, if you have single strap handle kegs you're out of luck.
I set up 3 buckets with 2 gallons of water in each, one with hot PBW, one with warm rinse water, and one with ambient Sani Clean sanitizer. Run a  cycle in each and just move it down the line. Couldn't be easier, worked like a dream, no monitoring necessary - just a timer for each cycle.
It's a well built unit that will last a long time,  and for me, it is worth the money I spent on it.