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Title: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 27, 2022, 05:49:11 pm
I make a hoppy pilsner that I really enjoy however there is little malt character when using 100%. I have plans to change the water for next batch to help (too much SO4) but was also thinking about throwing in about 5% Munich, carahell, or something else. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: Fire Rooster on March 28, 2022, 01:58:59 am
My first guess, it was a low ABV brew.
I brew low ABV brews, and found that to be true also, regardless of pilsner malt used.
A little Munich, Rye, robust Wheat works for me.
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: HopDen on March 28, 2022, 04:09:49 am
I have used interchangeably some carahell, carapils and other low color crystals anywhere from 5-8% in a few pils recipes. TBH, I can't tell any difference in the perceived maltiness.
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 28, 2022, 05:35:35 am
You could try blending different Pils malts.  For an example try a 50/50 ratio of Weyermann Pils and Weyermann Barke Pils.
Barke Pils by itself would be another batch.

What are you using now?

Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 28, 2022, 08:19:21 am
My first guess, it was a low ABV brew.
I brew low ABV brews, and found that to be true also, regardless of pilsner malt used.
A little Munich, Rye, robust Wheat works for me.
It's about 5.5%
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 28, 2022, 08:20:10 am
You could try blending different Pils malts.  For an example try a 50/50 ratio of Weyermann Pils and Weyermann Barke Pils.
Barke Pils by itself would be another batch.

What are you using now?
That's a good idea. I use Dingemanns
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: erockrph on March 28, 2022, 10:32:38 am
I routinely use a 70:30 mix of Pilsner to Pale Ale malt for my base in pale styles. I find that it cuts the "hay" flavor from the Pils malt (which I'm not a huge fan of when it's too strong), and brings a little more malt flavor while still tasting like a Pilsner. Vienna malt would be another option.
Title: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: BrewBama on March 28, 2022, 10:35:28 am
I’ve been known to use Brewer’s Malt or Pale Malt vs Pils Malt.  I am looking at American craft Pils Malts vs Continental Pils Malts, also. I do this, too:

I routinely use a 70:30 mix of Pilsner to Pale Ale malt for my base in pale styles. I find that it cuts the "hay" flavor from the Pils malt (which I'm not a huge fan of when it's too strong), and brings a little more malt flavor while still tasting like a Pilsner. Vienna malt would be another option.

Take a look at this: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/home-is-where-your-zoigl-is/
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: Iliff Ave on March 28, 2022, 11:19:35 am
I routinely use a 70:30 mix of Pilsner to Pale Ale malt for my base in pale styles. I find that it cuts the "hay" flavor from the Pils malt (which I'm not a huge fan of when it's too strong), and brings a little more malt flavor while still tasting like a Pilsner. Vienna malt would be another option.
That's a good idea. I could sub in some Weyermann pale...
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: ynotbrusum on March 29, 2022, 07:43:58 am
For my Helles, I use 50% Pils, 42% 2 row pale, and 8% Carahell; included in the 2 row portion, I use a quarter pound per 5 gallons of Platinumswaen Sauermalz.  It's not the same as adding sauergut, but it is my work around instead of having a sauergut reactor actively maintained.  Perhaps it is all in my head, but I like my helles.  Sometimes I will sub in some light munich for the carahell, as well, just to give it a little more bready character.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: MNWayne on March 29, 2022, 08:20:52 am
I always use either Vienna or Munich at around 10% when using very pale malts or about 5% when using  more malt forward base malts.
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: reverseapachemaster on April 01, 2022, 09:05:29 pm
I'm also a fan of blending in a little pale malt into pils for a slightly darker and more malty grain flavor but if you're trying to keep the beer closer to all pils a small amount of aromatic or aromatic and biscuit malt would intensify the malt flavor without changing it too much.
Title: Re: Second malt for pilsner
Post by: Bel Air Brewing on April 09, 2022, 03:56:13 pm
You could try blending different Pils malts.  For an example try a 50/50 ratio of Weyermann Pils and Weyermann Barke Pils.
Barke Pils by itself would be another batch.

What are you using now?

This is what we do most of the time. A 50 / 50 blend, such as Avangard Premium Pilsner and Weyermann Pilsner.

The results have been very good.