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Title: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 07, 2022, 12:40:24 pm
https://www.morebeer.com/products/cellarscience-dry-yeast-baja-placeholder.html

Any guesses on what this is? Fermentis S189 perhaps?

So far have brewed with their German and Berlin and results have been great.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/cellarscience-german-dry-lager-yeast.html

https://www.morebeer.com/products/cellarscience-berlin-dry-lager-yeast.html

Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: denny on May 07, 2022, 12:49:01 pm
https://www.morebeer.com/products/cellarscience-dry-yeast-baja-placeholder.html

Any guesses on what this is? Fermentis S189 perhaps?

So far have brewed with their German and Berlin and results have been great.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/cellarscience-german-dry-lager-yeast.html

https://www.morebeer.com/products/cellarscience-berlin-dry-lager-yeast.html

Considering it's called Baja, I would assume it's in the Mexican lager world.  If that's true, it makes me doubtful it's S189.  But that's a lot of guessing on my part.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 07, 2022, 01:18:17 pm
Yes, the Baja name is confusing. I was guessing 189 based on the assumption their German and Berlin are Fermentis 34/70 and S23 respectively. All guesses though…..

Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 11, 2022, 08:36:53 am
From that page:

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If you're looking for a cold fermenting yeast with a neutral character, BAJA from CellarScience is the perfect candidate. This Mexican yeast strain will produce clean, crips lagers and finishes dry. Allowing for the balanced expression of malt and hops, BAJA will become your go-to yeast for fermenting Mexican-style light lagers, dark lagers, and cold IPAs.

My guess would be a dry version of Omega 113 or White Labs 940 which happens to be one of my favorite lager yeast strains and the strain I am brewing with right now.  This is supposed to be Modelo's yeast.  Somewhere in there Wyeast came out with a liquid yeast called Mexicana (or something) and I feel like it was Wyeast 2005.  It was *NOT* like 940 so my guess on that was it was from the other large Mexican brewery that makes Dos Equis, Sol, etc.  Cerveceria Moctezuma.  So this MoreBeer yeast is one of those two strains... that's my guess.  I always said that if someone came out with a dry equivalent of 940 and also a dry equivalent of Omega Bayern, I would consider ditching liquid yeast altogether so this is good news.   
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: BrewBama on May 11, 2022, 10:28:35 am
I look forward to trying this dry Mex Lager yeast.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 11, 2022, 04:49:45 pm
Just received a brick of this. Will report back when I brew up a batch.

I’d be surprised if Morebeer was tooling up a production run of a new dry strain. Fermentis yeast is available in 10KG packs so I’m betting the whole cellar science line is a repack. But…..I could be wrong!
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 11, 2022, 07:21:01 pm
Just received a brick of this. Will report back when I brew up a batch.

I’d be surprised if Morebeer was tooling up a production run of a new dry strain. Fermentis yeast is available in 10KG packs so I’m betting the whole cellar science line is a repack. But…..I could be wrong!
Someone on another board mentioned this "repacking" and also went as far as saying that this yeast is actually Lallemand Diamond which is mind-blowing because I was hoping it was a dry version of WLP940/Omega 113. 
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 12, 2022, 03:46:49 am
Just received a brick of this. Will report back when I brew up a batch.

I’d be surprised if Morebeer was tooling up a production run of a new dry strain. Fermentis yeast is available in 10KG packs so I’m betting the whole cellar science line is a repack. But…..I could be wrong!
Someone on another board mentioned this "repacking" and also went as far as saying that this yeast is actually Lallemand Diamond which is mind-blowing because I was hoping it was a dry version of WLP940/Omega 113.

Which board is this on? I haven’t been able to find any chatter on this yeast yet.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Bel Air Brewing on May 12, 2022, 05:55:40 am
Has anyone contacted morebeer.com, and asked about this yeast?
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 06:42:38 am
Just received a brick of this. Will report back when I brew up a batch.

I’d be surprised if Morebeer was tooling up a production run of a new dry strain. Fermentis yeast is available in 10KG packs so I’m betting the whole cellar science line is a repack. But…..I could be wrong!
Someone on another board mentioned this "repacking" and also went as far as saying that this yeast is actually Lallemand Diamond which is mind-blowing because I was hoping it was a dry version of WLP940/Omega 113.

Which board is this on? I haven’t been able to find any chatter on this yeast yet.
HERE (https://brewbrothers.freeforums.net/thread/692/dry-yeast-wishes-come-true).  Many of the same people that hang here.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Bel Air Brewing on May 12, 2022, 07:12:26 am
18 hours ago denny said:
"Considering that I have yet to find a dry yeast that's really close to the liquid equivalent, don't get your hopes up too soon

Ken replied: "True. I like Diamond but I don't think I get the same OOMPH! as I do with 2124."

Stand by for a full split batch analysis of these two yeasts. Diamond vs 2124, a brewing yeast shootout.

As for this topic here on this thread, I am skeptical. Very skeptical. 
Title: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: tommymorris on May 12, 2022, 09:32:29 am
Just received a brick of this. Will report back when I brew up a batch.

I’d be surprised if Morebeer was tooling up a production run of a new dry strain. Fermentis yeast is available in 10KG packs so I’m betting the whole cellar science line is a repack. But…..I could be wrong!
Someone on another board mentioned this "repacking" and also went as far as saying that this yeast is actually Lallemand Diamond which is mind-blowing because I was hoping it was a dry version of WLP940/Omega 113.

Which board is this on? I haven’t been able to find any chatter on this yeast yet.
HERE (https://brewbrothers.freeforums.net/thread/692/dry-yeast-wishes-come-true).  Many of the same people that hang here.
That was me that postulated it might be Diamond repackaged. I don’t know anything. I believe Cellar Science repackages all their yeasts and noticed there was a question/answer on the Baja product web page about Diamond pitch rates. Why discuss Diamond pitch rates on the Baja page?
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 12, 2022, 10:18:26 am
Definitely some degree of confusion on the website as to recommended fermentation temperatures - in one spot it is 48-50F, in another it is 64-72F.  I am guessing that it is more like 48-58F for the recommended range, but that is just a WAG on my part.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 11:07:42 am
That was me that postulated it might be Diamond repackaged. I don’t know anything. I believe Cellar Science repackages all their yeasts and noticed there was a question/answer on the Baja product web page about Diamond pitch rates. Why discuss Diamond pitch rates on the Baja page?
Your points are valid.  There is some confusion.  I'll post the reply I get from MoreBeer (if I get one...) here so we're all on the same page.  I hope the guys at Cellar Science aren't rebranding some other strain as "Mexican" thinking that homebrewers will snatch it up because it's the first and only dry Mexican lager yeast available.  I will be quite disappointed and discouraged if that's what they're doing here. 
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: denny on May 12, 2022, 12:23:27 pm
That was me that postulated it might be Diamond repackaged. I don’t know anything. I believe Cellar Science repackages all their yeasts and noticed there was a question/answer on the Baja product web page about Diamond pitch rates. Why discuss Diamond pitch rates on the Baja page?
Your points are valid.  There is some confusion.  I'll post the reply I get from MoreBeer (if I get one...) here so we're all on the same page.  I hope the guys at Cellar Science aren't rebranding some other strain as "Mexican" thinking that homebrewers will snatch it up because it's the first and only dry Mexican lager yeast available.  I will be quite disappointed and discouraged if that's what they're doing here.

What is it that makes a Mexican lager yeast different than say a German one?
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Bel Air Brewing on May 12, 2022, 12:30:34 pm
That was me that postulated it might be Diamond repackaged. I don’t know anything. I believe Cellar Science repackages all their yeasts and noticed there was a question/answer on the Baja product web page about Diamond pitch rates. Why discuss Diamond pitch rates on the Baja page?
Your points are valid.  There is some confusion.  I'll post the reply I get from MoreBeer (if I get one...) here so we're all on the same page.  I hope the guys at Cellar Science aren't rebranding some other strain as "Mexican" thinking that homebrewers will snatch it up because it's the first and only dry Mexican lager yeast available.  I will be quite disappointed and discouraged if that's what they're doing here.

What is it that makes a Mexican lager yeast different than say a German one?

Or different from a Bavarian one? An American one?

That is the million dollar question.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 12:34:36 pm
What is it that makes a Mexican lager yeast different than say a German one?
I can't say for sure but do you brew with different lager yeasts and notice a difference in their character?  There is something about 940 that is very distinct to my tastebuds.  I can say the same about 2124.  I can't put my finger on it but I know it's there.  Also, 2308/838 has a very distinct character that I can pick out in a commercial beer.  I can't describe it with words.  Also, I'll go back to what I said:  AFAIK there is no dry yeast out there marketed as a Mexican lager yeast but this one is marketed that way.  So if you're suggesting that this could be a German yeast then why not say so?  Because they want to get people interested in the first and only dry Mexican yeast on the market?  That would be underhanded, IMO.  Your question could be stated as what makes a Czech lager yeast different from an American strain or any other combination.  We brew with what is appropriate for the style (at least I typically do) so words matter.  Sure I have made a helles with 940 and it came out great but I knew there were probably more suitable yeast strains out there for a helles including Bayern, 2124, 2308 and a number of others. 
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Bel Air Brewing on May 12, 2022, 01:31:22 pm
When it gets right down to it, how much real, that is, able-to-taste-the-difference, exists between lager yeasts?

Not talking about dry vs wet, but dry vs dry, and wet vs wet.

I am willing to bet there is little difference that the average beer drinker can reliably detect.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: denny on May 12, 2022, 01:37:42 pm
What is it that makes a Mexican lager yeast different than say a German one?
I can't say for sure but do you brew with different lager yeasts and notice a difference in their character?  There is something about 940 that is very distinct to my tastebuds.  I can say the same about 2124.  I can't put my finger on it but I know it's there.  Also, 2308/838 has a very distinct character that I can pick out in a commercial beer.  I can't describe it with words.  Also, I'll go back to what I said:  AFAIK there is no dry yeast out there marketed as a Mexican lager yeast but this one is marketed that way.  So if you're suggesting that this could be a German yeast then why not say so?  Because they want to get people interested in the first and only dry Mexican yeast on the market?  That would be underhanded, IMO.  Your question could be stated as what makes a Czech lager yeast different from an American strain or any other combination.  We brew with what is appropriate for the style (at least I typically do) so words matter.  Sure I have made a helles with 940 and it came out great but I knew there were probably more suitable yeast strains out there for a helles including Bayern, 2124, 2308 and a number of others.

Yes, I notice differences, but a lot less than in ale yeast.  Very minor differences.  But why is "Mexican lager yeast" a big deal?  We habv no idea of this is 940 originally, and even if it was, if it produces beer anything like 940 does.  I worry less about the name and more about the beer it produces.  And yeah, what makes a Czech lager yeast different than an American one?  Shouldn't they be chosen based on results, not name?
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: denny on May 12, 2022, 01:38:16 pm
When it gets right down to it, how much real, that is, able-to-taste-the-difference, exists between lager yeasts?

Not talking about dry vs wet, but dry vs dry, and wet vs wet.

I am willing to bet there is little difference that the average beer drinker can reliably detect.

I agree
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: narvin on May 12, 2022, 01:59:32 pm
What is it that makes a Mexican lager yeast different than say a German one?
I can't say for sure but do you brew with different lager yeasts and notice a difference in their character?  There is something about 940 that is very distinct to my tastebuds.  I can say the same about 2124.  I can't put my finger on it but I know it's there.  Also, 2308/838 has a very distinct character that I can pick out in a commercial beer.  I can't describe it with words.  Also, I'll go back to what I said:  AFAIK there is no dry yeast out there marketed as a Mexican lager yeast but this one is marketed that way.  So if you're suggesting that this could be a German yeast then why not say so?  Because they want to get people interested in the first and only dry Mexican yeast on the market?  That would be underhanded, IMO.  Your question could be stated as what makes a Czech lager yeast different from an American strain or any other combination.  We brew with what is appropriate for the style (at least I typically do) so words matter.  Sure I have made a helles with 940 and it came out great but I knew there were probably more suitable yeast strains out there for a helles including Bayern, 2124, 2308 and a number of others.

Just to throw more fuel on the fire, the liquid yeast companies may not even be entirely correct with their labelling.  838 is thought to be an ale yeast after gene sequencing, and not the same as 2308. Other lager yeasts may have strayed as they passed through various breweries, but White Labs and Wyeast likely sampled them at different points, possibly after being stored by intermediaries.

Here's what Suregork says about 940:

(https://i.imgur.com/lOxPDDJ.png)


Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: jeffy on May 12, 2022, 02:05:41 pm
I think it's all about trends.  A year ago, you'd be hard pressed to find the defining characteristics of a Mexican Lager.
Next you'll probably see Italian Pilsner yeast.
Title: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: BrewBama on May 12, 2022, 02:16:37 pm

What is it that makes a Mexican lager yeast different than say a German one?
The language the label is written in and the Atlantic Ocean.

Seriously. Mex Lager yeast and German Lager were the same. When Germans immigrated to Mexico they brought their yeast and brewing know how with them. After a cpl hundred years they drifted into distinct strains. Taste contribution, fermenting characteristics, and ‘Ooomph’ can be detected by some. *

820 is pretty close to the original ‘Mother’ strain.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/90b01dac4c00e12f7c8da989e6ade027.jpg)

* pur speculation on my part
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: denny on May 12, 2022, 02:21:31 pm
I think it's all about trends.  A year ago, you'd be hard pressed to find the defining characteristics of a Mexican Lager.
Next you'll probably see Italian Pilsner yeast.

THIS!
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 02:50:21 pm
Here is their response:

Quote
Thank you for your inquiry. This yeast strain is also known as Fermolager Crisp. Cellar Science is a brand of repackaged dried yeast and the strains are typically sourced from European labs and companies. We are currently working on bringing on this strain in the smaller size. We do not have an ETA right now, but hope it will be available soon in the 12g size.

Has anyone heard of Fermolager Crisp?

It's produced by something called AEB Group and here is their description:

Quote
Dry active bottom fermenting yeast strain carefully selected for fermentation of lagers with distinctive crisp finish.

Versatile bottom fermenting yeast for production of crisp lagers with remarkable clean character. Originally from Mexico City, this excellent strain allows a harmonious expression of malt & hops notes, while confering a well-balanced palate with drinkability & dry finish. It efficiently attenuate at low end of lager temperature range. An excellent yeast strain for fermentation of supreme lagers.
Title: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: BrewBama on May 12, 2022, 02:55:37 pm
They’re the same Italian group that produces Antioxin SBT ‘trifecta’ (kmeta + AA + gallo tannin) used by Low O2 brewers.

Sounds like a great yeast. They say it’s Mexican. Cold ferment: 50-57°F.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/d9739b542bf4f870b27bb589a8055186.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/5eafe89aabdf632f20efc0818184c789.jpg)
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 03:26:55 pm
They’re the same Italian group that produces Antioxin SBT ‘trifecta’ (kmeta, AA, gallo tannin) used by Low O2 brewers.

Sounds like a great yeast. They say it’s Mexican. 50-57°F.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/d9739b542bf4f870b27bb589a8055186.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220512/5eafe89aabdf632f20efc0818184c789.jpg)
Yeah, I would be happy to try it but I have never bought a $100 brick of dry yeast before so that part is unusual.  Maybe this AEB Group sells it in smaller packages. 
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: BrewBama on May 12, 2022, 04:38:27 pm
Unfortunately, it says 500g packs. I imagine MoreBeer will have them repackage it into 11-12g packs or repackage it themselves.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 04:51:11 pm
Unfortunately, it says 500g packs. I imagine MoreBeer will have them repackage it into 11-12g packs or repackage it themselves.
I could see this:  Buy the pack.  I know I have never used the yeast before but let's roll the dice.  Measure out 11-12g and use it.  The roll up the original packaging and place it INSIDE of a vac-seal bag and seal it.  With that much yeast you could use fresh dry yeast every batch although I don't know that I would.  I like the sound of it overall and glad that they gave us the origin of it.  Seems like it would make a nice lager. 
Title: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: tommymorris on May 12, 2022, 05:28:30 pm
Can’t wait to try it.

Edit: I will wait for 12g packs.
Title: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: BrewBama on May 12, 2022, 06:17:06 pm
Unfortunately, it says 500g packs. I imagine MoreBeer will have them repackage it into 11-12g packs or repackage it themselves.
I could see this:  Buy the pack.  I know I have never used the yeast before but let's roll the dice.  Measure out 11-12g and use it.  The roll up the original packaging and place it INSIDE of a vac-seal bag and seal it.  With that much yeast you could use fresh dry yeast every batch although I don't know that I would.  I like the sound of it overall and glad that they gave us the origin of it.  Seems like it would make a nice lager.
You just described how I ferment every beer: one trip dry yeast.

I bought a 500g Bry- 97 in Apr 2020.  I *think* I paid $96.00 but it’s not on my invoice. It’s $166 now. I pitch whatever the pitch rate calculator tells me to for the SG, ferment temp, and volume of wort. I have ~130g remaining.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 12, 2022, 09:17:16 pm
You just described how I ferment every beer: one trip dry yeast.

I bought a 500g Bry- 97 in Apr 2020.  I *think* I paid $96.00 but it’s not on my invoice. It’s $166 now. I pitch whatever the pitch rate calculator tells me to for the SG, ferment temp, and volume of wort. I have ~130g remaining.
Sounds reasonable and inline with your brewing practices and standards.  I would wonder if there was a benefit of pitching some slurry from batch 1 into batch 2 or if it would be better to use fresh yeast each time.  Not sure on that but with SO much yeast at your disposal...
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 13, 2022, 02:24:23 am
Seems likely that most/all of the CellarScience is indeed AEB dry yeast:

https://www.aeb-group.com/us/beer/biotechnology/yeasts

So far have tried the “Berlin” and “German”(AEB W I’m guessing). Results have been fantastic. Looking forward to trying the “Baja” soon.



Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Village Taphouse on May 13, 2022, 06:49:26 am
Seems likely that most/all of the CellarScience is indeed AEB dry yeast:

https://www.aeb-group.com/us/beer/biotechnology/yeasts

So far have tried the “Berlin” and “German”(AEB W I’m guessing). Results have been fantastic. Looking forward to trying the “Baja” soon.
That's encouraging. 
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: tommymorris on May 13, 2022, 09:50:05 am
Seems likely that most/all of the CellarScience is indeed AEB dry yeast:

https://www.aeb-group.com/us/beer/biotechnology/yeasts

So far have tried the “Berlin” and “German”(AEB W I’m guessing). Results have been fantastic. Looking forward to trying the “Baja” soon.
Any guesses on the origin of Cellar Science Cali? Is it Bry-97 or US-05 or something else? I didn’t see an obvious match in the AEB yeast selection. Cellar Science Cali is usually cheaper than the Bry-97. I used Cali once with good results but haven’t tried it again.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 13, 2022, 12:05:19 pm
Seems likely that most/all of the CellarScience is indeed AEB dry yeast:

https://www.aeb-group.com/us/beer/biotechnology/yeasts

So far have tried the “Berlin” and “German”(AEB W I’m guessing). Results have been fantastic. Looking forward to trying the “Baja” soon.
Any guesses on the origin of Cellar Science Cali? Is it Bry-97 or US-05 or something else? I didn’t see an obvious match in the AEB yeast selection. Cellar Science Cali is usually cheaper than the Bry-97. I used Cali once with good results but haven’t tried it again.

FermoAle AY-4?
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: Bel Air Brewing on May 13, 2022, 01:40:06 pm
Ok...just got off the phone with Pierce, at More Beer.

This product is still in development. And Cellar Science does work with the other yeast labs, repackaging their product.

He basically has no info on this product. None.

That term "Baja"? Means nothing.

Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: MDL on May 13, 2022, 03:38:50 pm
Here is their response:

Quote
Thank you for your inquiry. This yeast strain is also known as Fermolager Crisp. Cellar Science is a brand of repackaged dried yeast and the strains are typically sourced from European labs and companies. We are currently working on bringing on this strain in the smaller size. We do not have an ETA right now, but hope it will be available soon in the 12g size.

Has anyone heard of Fermolager Crisp?

It's produced by something called AEB Group and here is their description:

Quote
Dry active bottom fermenting yeast strain carefully selected for fermentation of lagers with distinctive crisp finish.

Versatile bottom fermenting yeast for production of crisp lagers with remarkable clean character. Originally from Mexico City, this excellent strain allows a harmonious expression of malt & hops notes, while confering a well-balanced palate with drinkability & dry finish. It efficiently attenuate at low end of lager temperature range. An excellent yeast strain for fermentation of supreme lagers.

“Baja” refers to this,no?
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: tommymorris on May 13, 2022, 07:06:37 pm
Seems likely that most/all of the CellarScience is indeed AEB dry yeast:

https://www.aeb-group.com/us/beer/biotechnology/yeasts

So far have tried the “Berlin” and “German”(AEB W I’m guessing). Results have been fantastic. Looking forward to trying the “Baja” soon.
Any guesses on the origin of Cellar Science Cali? Is it Bry-97 or US-05 or something else? I didn’t see an obvious match in the AEB yeast selection. Cellar Science Cali is usually cheaper than the Bry-97. I used Cali once with good results but haven’t tried it again.

FermoAle AY-4?
That’s probably it. Thanks.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: BrewBama on July 26, 2022, 05:29:54 pm
I pitched 12g of Cellar Science English into 4.5 gal of 1.048 wort and see absolutely no sign of life after 24 hrs. I was looking forward to trying Cellar Science strains but if this is any indication of their yeast then I believe I’ll pass. I am accustomed to English Ale yeast starting and finishing fast. 
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: pv on July 27, 2022, 08:28:36 am
Description from the MoreBeer site: "If you're looking for a cold fermenting yeast with a neutral character, BAJA from CellarScience is the perfect candidate. Originally developed and popularized by the Modelo Group, this Mexican yeast strain will produce clean, crisp lagers and finishes dry."  And the reference to Diamond Lager is under the "Questions For Similar Products" section.  $109.99 for a 500g brick, still too much for me to experiment with.  Will be interested when this is sold in 12g or so packs.
Title: Re: “New” dry lager yeast from Morebeer
Post by: ScallyWag on August 03, 2022, 08:45:51 am
It appears that MoreBeer is expecting to have some 12g packets available for purchase "soon." 

Whenever that means... 

My basement won't be back down to lagering temps until December, so hopefully they get it for us before then.