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Title: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: astrivian on September 24, 2010, 03:16:15 AM
Out of curiosity, what do some of you do with the grain left over from mashing? I would imagine composting is an option, but what other uses have you all found short of just tossing it in the trash?
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: tubercle on September 24, 2010, 03:18:29 AM
There have been many discussions on this. Some of the most popular seems to be making bread, feeding chickens and composting.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: euge on September 24, 2010, 05:45:07 AM
There's so much of it that one either has to throw it away or compost it. But a small fraction can end up in bread and muffins.

The most clever is Dog-biscuits. There's recipes out there.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: dshepard on September 24, 2010, 08:24:46 AM
Mine ends up in the garden out back. It will stink big time for a few days.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: alikocho on September 24, 2010, 08:33:51 AM
I'm intrigued by adding it to bread, but can someone give me an idea of quantities?
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: theDarkSide on September 24, 2010, 12:21:06 PM
Mine goes to my neighbor's chickens...he says they love it and can't get enough.  I guess I better start brewing more then.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: dhacker on September 24, 2010, 12:22:41 PM
I place mine at the edge of the woods, and the deer come and clean it up.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: akr71 on September 24, 2010, 12:25:49 PM
Mine ends up in the garden out back. It will stink big time for a few days.

If you spread it out, it stinks less... or maybe my garden is far enough from the house that I don't notice.  When I dump it in the composter, it stinks like a dead body.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Hokerer on September 24, 2010, 01:10:11 PM
Compost pile.  Guess it's far enough away from the house, I've never noticed too bad a smell.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: bluesman on September 24, 2010, 01:16:24 PM
Compost pile, deer , birds, etc...

I haven't tried making bread yet.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: MrNate on September 24, 2010, 01:20:38 PM
You guys don't just dump it over the fence into the neighbor's yard? I thought everyone did that.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: thirdhand2 on September 24, 2010, 02:28:45 PM
We make bread and Dog biscuits.  Here are the recipes:

                Spent “Malted Grain” Beer Bread

3 ½  cups Flour
2 cups  Malted Barley left over from the mashing or steeping process
1 ½ teaspoons Salt
1 ½ tablespoons Wheat Gluten (omit if using bread flour)
1 ½ tablespoons Oil
1 ½ tablespoons Honey
Water
1 teaspoon Yeast

Add all ingredients except yeast and watert to a bowl and mix well. 
Add the yeast and enough water to form a very dry mixture.

Place in the bread machine on Muti-Grain cycle or if not using a bread machine let rise for 30 minutes, punch down, knead and let rise for 2 hours.  Bake in the oven for 45 minutes at 425 degrees.

Note:  This dough is very deceiving. When kneading it will start out VERY dry but will end up just right due to the remaining moisture in the grains.




Spent Grain Dog Biscuits

•  4 cups spent grain
•  4 cups flour
•  1 cup peanut butter
•  1 egg

 Note : hops are toxic to some species of dogs. Please do not use grain that has been mash-hopped! 
Mix together (works well with hands) and roll onto cookie sheet. Score (almost through) into shapes you want, or use a cookie cutter as you would for cookies. They don't spread out and they pretty much end up the thickness you start with. This recipe made one cookie sheet but they are pretty thick so you could adjust that if you want them thinner.
They end up very crisp after they've been baked and dried. Bake at 350 for 30 min. Let cool enough to break them up then place back in the oven to dry for 4-6 hours at 200. You want to make sure they dry adequately, if they look like a fig newton when you break one they're not dry. If they don't dry enough they will mold. Dried thoroughly they will store well in an airtight container.


Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: bluesman on September 24, 2010, 02:34:15 PM
We make bread and Dog biscuits.  Here are the recipes:

Spent Grain Dog Biscuits

•  4 cups spent grain
•  4 cups flour
•  1 cup peanut butter
•  1 egg

 Note : hops are toxic to some species of dogs. Please do not use grain that has been mash-hopped! 
Mix together (works well with hands) and roll onto cookie sheet. Score (almost through) into shapes you want, or use a cookie cutter as you would for cookies. They don't spread out and they pretty much end up the thickness you start with. This recipe made one cookie sheet but they are pretty thick so you could adjust that if you want them thinner.
They end up very crisp after they've been baked and dried. Bake at 350 for 30 min. Let cool enough to break them up then place back in the oven to dry for 4-6 hours at 200. You want to make sure they dry adequately, if they look like a fig newton when you break one they're not dry. If they don't dry enough they will mold. Dried thoroughly they will store well in an airtight container.


Excellent idea.  Thanks.  I'm going to give this one a try.  I think my dogs will love them.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: denny on September 24, 2010, 02:48:35 PM
You guys don't just dump it over the fence into the neighbor's yard? I thought everyone did that.

My nearest neighbor is over 1/4 mile away...too much work!
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: hamiltont on September 24, 2010, 02:57:07 PM
You guys don't just dump it over the fence into the neighbor's yard? I thought everyone did that.

My nearest neighbor is over 1/4 mile away...too much work!
Same here...  I just throw it out for the deer & turkeys.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: a10t2 on September 24, 2010, 03:09:57 PM
I'm intrigued by adding it to bread, but can someone give me an idea of quantities?

My recipe is pretty similar to thirdhand's: http://seanterrill.com/2010/01/20/i-have-made-bread/ I'm munching on some right now, in fact. Oatmeal stout grist, probably my favorite so far.

Unfortunately our fascist neighborhood association doesn't allow composting, so all but a tiny fraction goes in the trash.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: tschmidlin on September 24, 2010, 05:16:50 PM
I throw all of mine in the trash, but I should really start composting it.  I don't want to encourage deer in my yard though, they like to eat my other plants too much (they "pruned" my new plum tree, the bastards).  And there's too much to feed to the worms.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: micsager on September 24, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
I put an ad on Craigslist for the local chicken farmers.  Now, I get a dozen eggs as a barter every other brew........ (10 gallons each)
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: skyler on September 24, 2010, 06:54:36 PM
I put an ad on Craigslist for the local chicken farmers.  Now, I get a dozen eggs as a barter every other brew........ (10 gallons each)

I'm stealing that idea. Thanks.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: astrivian on September 24, 2010, 11:50:04 PM
I put an ad on Craigslist for the local chicken farmers.  Now, I get a dozen eggs as a barter every other brew........ (10 gallons each)

That's a fantastic idea. Perhaps not many chicken farmers in Denver, but who knows! If that doesn't work i will start dumping it in the neighbor's yard :)
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Boston Brewer on September 25, 2010, 12:48:38 AM
Mine ends up in the garden out back. It will stink big time for a few days.

If you spread it out, it stinks less... or maybe my garden is far enough from the house that I don't notice.  When I dump it in the composter, it stinks like a dead body.

Throw it in the compost pile and cover it with diirt - it won't stink and the worms will love it.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: 1vertical on September 25, 2010, 06:19:33 PM
Compost pile.  Guess it's far enough away from the house, I've never noticed too bad a smell.

Predominant wind is from the west....neighbor to the east has a mountain of horse manooch...
when the wind comes from the east....I cringe....it reeks....but since most of the time I am UP wind
from that big mountain, I enjoy the chance to share the aroma from my compost pile...that is where
the spent stuff goes.... :P
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: theoman on September 26, 2010, 08:22:31 AM
I dump it in the back yard at my in-laws. I once forgot about it for about a week in the garage. I'll never do that again.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: rabid_dingo on September 26, 2010, 08:35:16 AM
As far as the dog biscuits go, make sure that there are NO HOPS in there. Yeah I know spent grain from
a mash, but you never know who is going for that crazy hop bomb IPA...It causes fatal hyper-thermia in
dogs...or some dogs. Basically a fever with a vengeance. Most dogs don't care about the hop vines and
what not, but sweeten the deal with spent grain and all bets are off.

Just and FYI!
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: malzig on September 26, 2010, 04:18:36 PM
Throw it in the compost pile and cover it with diirt - it won't stink and the worms will love it.
Also, since the grain will only stink if it goes anaerobic, there are a number of other things you can do:
spread it thin over a wide area, like using it as a thin mulch over a garden,
mix it in with a lot of dry, fluffy stuff, like fall leaves,
turn it over every day or two to mix air into it, until it starts to dry out and break down,
mix it into the compost pile well, so that it doesn't compact and breaks down quickly.

I've been composting grain for years and it never smells unless I just dump it onto the top of the pile and leave it there for a few days. 

If I was in a situation like a10t2, with an overzealous neighborhood association, I'd use it as mulch.  You're still composting it but it's not "compost", it's "mulch".
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: euge on September 26, 2010, 06:23:40 PM
I can see a large "compost pile" being a problem with the NA, but what about a "barrel composter (http://www.google.com/products?oe=UTF-8&gfns=1&q=barrel+composter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=II-fTLXXNMGqlAfq4MzsAg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CFAQrQQwAA)" in the backyard? Who would see it and even know what it is?
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: tubercle on September 26, 2010, 06:27:28 PM
I dump mine in a plastic 55 gal drum and put the keep the lid on with one of the vents cracked. One of the days I'm going to have  mulch^2.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on September 26, 2010, 10:07:45 PM
I dump it on my garden. It makes great black soil.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: euge on September 27, 2010, 01:12:30 AM
I dump it on my garden. It makes great black soil.

I compost mine. "Black Gold"
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: kerneldustjacket on September 27, 2010, 09:40:25 PM
Let it cool off, then spread it somewhere on the lawn that needs a "pick up." Two weeks later, and you can spot the difference. Spread it thin and you'll have less of an odor problem.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: 4swan on September 28, 2010, 12:21:47 PM
If you live in the warmer parts of America during the summer your compost pile might be visited by Black Soldier flies (not houseflies) and their larva can make quick work of spent grain.  When they're really active I've seen them eat 10lbs of spent grain in less than a week.  But now in the fall they aren't very active.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Steve on September 29, 2010, 03:45:16 PM
Dry it and put it in home made soap as an exfoliant.   
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Mikey on September 29, 2010, 03:51:10 PM
If you live in the warmer parts of America during the summer your compost pile might be visited by Black Soldier flies (not houseflies) and their larva can make quick work of spent grain.  When they're really active I've seen them eat 10lbs of spent grain in less than a week.  But now in the fall they aren't very active.

Aren't those the ones that produce larva that look like huge maggots? If so, I have a gazillion of them.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: 4swan on September 29, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
Aren't those the ones that produce larva that look like huge maggots? If so, I have a gazillion of them.

Those are the ones-  The adult black soldier fly looks like a cross between a fly and a wasp (no stinger).  And apparently since the adult doesn't eat anything it won't spread pathogens like a housefly might.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Kit B on September 29, 2010, 05:51:39 PM
Wow...That's pretty cool...
http://www.eawag.ch/organisation/abteilungen/sandec/schwerpunkte/swm/projects/5000larvae/index_EN
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: euge on September 29, 2010, 06:13:48 PM
Wow...That's pretty cool...
http://www.eawag.ch/organisation/abteilungen/sandec/schwerpunkte/swm/projects/5000larvae/index_EN


That's amazing. And disgusting. Looks like they'll make short work of anything they go after.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: Mikey on September 29, 2010, 06:21:53 PM
They certainly don't seem to hurt my compost.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: wfaris on October 02, 2010, 03:15:44 AM
I dump mine in the woods and the deer and turkeys clean it up real fast.  Probably keeps them pretty regular too.   8)

Wayne
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: redbeerman on October 02, 2010, 12:22:03 PM
I compost in a barrel composter.  It helps make short work of the other crap I put in there.
Title: Re: what do you do with all that grain?
Post by: 1vertical on October 03, 2010, 01:07:02 PM
Wow...That's pretty cool...
http://www.eawag.ch/organisation/abteilungen/sandec/schwerpunkte/swm/projects/5000larvae/index_EN


That's amazing. And disgusting. Looks like they'll make short work of anything they go after.
I bet the aroma was interesting....
and in the middle of the crawler across the top of the video was the reference to
LOW to MIDDLE income countries....I personally think that the RICH countries should have
to use this as well...so that they can enjoy the aroma right along with the crumudgeons.... ;)