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Title: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: euge on September 24, 2010, 07:57:54 AM
Beer before liquor- never sicker
Liquor before beer- you're in the clear


True? I've had bad experiences but as a general rule of thumb? Not sure. How about you guys?
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: dmtaylor on September 24, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
The general rule of thumb is to quit drinking when you are sloshed.  Doesn't matter what I drink, if it's shots or wine or beer.  At the hour I find myself drunk off my ass, if I stop drinking immediately, I'm "in the clear".
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: beerocd on September 24, 2010, 11:46:40 AM
Beer before liquor- never sicker
Liquor before beer- you're in the clear


True? I've had bad experiences but as a general rule of thumb? Not sure. How about you guys?

So, the general wisdom of that is, so long as you finish off your night with beer everything is going to be alright. To a point I'll agree - homebrew seems to help avert hangovers so I'll have one when I get home after a party. Only problem is you can substitute anything for liquor - and you're in the clear?  
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: capozzoli on September 24, 2010, 11:51:59 AM
Beer or liquor, pick one never mix the two. Drink lots of water. If you wish to drink liquor to the point of intoxication drink something clear. Ten you may be in the clear.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: majorvices on September 24, 2010, 11:55:45 AM
There's no truth to it, at least not for me. I like to drink bourbon but I almost always "prime the pump", as it were, with a few beers first. I think the best rule is to drink plenty of water and don't drink to excess. I'll admit that I often neglect that advice, however. ::)
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: akr71 on September 24, 2010, 12:08:02 PM
The Mythbusters did some expirements to try and prove/disprove this.  They busted it --> the subjects were more hungover when they just drank beer and less hungover when they mixed.  They rated their dehydration, headache, sensitivity to light, sensitvity to loud noise and dizzyness (spun them around in a chair until they asked for mercy of puked) and made them memorize a bunch of stuff.

The little rhyme they test was different though:
Stick to beer, you're in the clear
Beer then liquor, never sicker
.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: tumarkin on September 24, 2010, 12:19:21 PM
hey, it's all alcohol. drink enough & it'll sneak up on you. the best thing is to know your own limits & respect them. though I certainly test/push those limits from time to time.

ditto on the water. the more alcohol you drink, the more important it is to hydrate. someone once told me that if you're doing heavy drinking, to try to alternate a glass of water between each drink. I never manage (or want) to do that, but I always try to drink water throughout the evening. it definitely helps.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: 1vertical on September 24, 2010, 12:40:08 PM
Beer or liquor, pick one never mix the two. Drink lots of water. If you wish to drink liquor to the point of intoxication drink something clear. Ten you may be in the clear.

+1
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: bluesman on September 24, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
I generally will have a few pints and sometimes a shot or two to follow but never more than that or else...a hangover to follow the next day.

I like to sip on some good bourbon now and then...Bookers or Knob Creek  ;)
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: MrNate on September 24, 2010, 01:30:12 PM
My rule of thumb is that if I'm switching either way I'll be hurting the next day.

If I'm switching from beer to liquor, it means I'm looking to get drunk and that ain't easy to do on beer.
If I'm switching from liquor to beer, it means I'm already drunk.

Hangover Rules:

- At least 2 pints of water before bed, orange gatorade and motrin in the morning.

- Medical "Professionals" (and by that I mean the professional drinkers who happened to be nurses or corpsmen I've known over the years) swear by draining a bag of saline in the morning.

- I swear the Romans had vomitoriums because they drank red wine.

- Remember that for every year you feel younger tonight, you'll feel two years older in the morning. Never get so drunk that you crap your pants. You'll probably wake up dead.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: majorvices on September 24, 2010, 01:40:16 PM
Quote
Never get so drunk that you crap your pants.

Normally I don't follow "rules" but this is a good one.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: bluesman on September 24, 2010, 01:51:06 PM
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Never get so drunk that you crap your pants.

Normally I don't follow "rules" but this is a good one.

Seek professional help when this condition is present.  ;)
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: capozzoli on September 24, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
My rule of thumb is that if I'm switching either way I'll be hurting the next day.

If I'm switching from beer to liquor, it means I'm looking to get drunk and that ain't easy to do on beer.
If I'm switching from liquor to beer, it means I'm already drunk.

Hangover Rules:

- At least 2 pints of water before bed, orange gatorade and motrin in the morning.

- Medical "Professionals" (and by that I mean the professional drinkers who happened to be nurses or corpsmen I've known over the years) swear by draining a bag of saline in the morning.

- I swear the Romans had vomitoriums because they drank red wine.

- Remember that for every year you feel younger tonight, you'll feel two years older in the morning. Never get so drunk that you crap your pants. You'll probably wake up dead.

You can get so drunk  that you crap your pants and survive though. At least when you are 13 and you have raided your parents liquor for the first time you can.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: majorvices on September 24, 2010, 03:44:25 PM
The only other rule I try and follow is "beer before breakfast .... as often as possible..."
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: Hokerer on September 24, 2010, 03:49:50 PM
The only other rule I try and follow is "beer before breakfast .... as often as possible..."

And the corrolary... "avoid hangovers, never sober up"
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: Slowbrew on September 24, 2010, 03:52:59 PM
The one I learned as a kid was:

Beer and wine, that's just fine.
Beer and whiskey, now that's risky.

It's always seemed to be true but I support the "water helps" information.  

I've also learned to listen to that little voice you hear when the next drink is taking you over the edge.  If you hear 'I don't know if I need another one' in your head (not from your wife) you probably don't need another one.  Pour a glass of water instead.

Paul
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: MrNate on September 24, 2010, 03:56:23 PM
If you have concerns about switching to whiskey, just remember that Corb Lund approves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3SsQXhmho
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: uthristy on September 24, 2010, 05:44:52 PM
The general rule of thumb is to quit drinking when you are sloshed.  Doesn't matter what I drink, if it's shots or wine or beer.  At the hour I find myself drunk off my ass, if I stop drinking immediately, I'm "in the clear".


Thats the best reply so far,
I can drink all day & night - beer &  liquor but when that innervoice says your done I stop drinking.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: tschmidlin on September 24, 2010, 06:02:31 PM
I always thought the problem was that after drinking beer you're more likely to drink the liquor faster, but if you start with liquor you're more likely to drink the beer slower.

Either way, I agree it's best not to mix and to hydrate, especially at altitude. :)
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: svejk on September 24, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
I always thought the problem was that after drinking beer you're more likely to drink the liquor faster, but if you start with liquor you're more likely to drink the beer slower...

I agree. Whatever I start with sets the pace, so as long as the ABV of my later drinks is lower than my early drinks, I am usually in the clear.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: glitterbug on September 24, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
- I swear the Romans had vomitoriums because they drank red wine.

Myth busted - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomitorium

Moderation prevents hangovers
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: tschmidlin on September 24, 2010, 06:38:47 PM
- I swear the Romans had vomitoriums because they drank red wine.

Myth busted - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomitorium

Moderation prevents hangovers
Vomiting does too.  ;)
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: euge on September 24, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
There goes my plans for adding a Vomitorium to the house... :P

I think there's other factors also. Mood. Fatigue levels. Any food ingested and so forth. The same amount/type of drinks can produce different results on different days ending in a hangover, bouncing out of bed or somewhere in-between.

One thing I've learned is not to indulge too heavily early in day I have nothing to do. Getting a hangover before bed-time is awful. I'll wait till evening usually to have any alcoholic beverage as a general rule, though it doesn't always work out that way. ;)



Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: nicneufeld on September 24, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
I don't think there is a natural reason for the difference, but a behavioral one, as others have mentioned.  Liquor is the "dangerous" one which can be too quickly consumed, and if you start with beer, get used to drinking, instead of sipping, and have your inihibitions relaxed, your more likely to consume the spirits faster and in greater quantities than you would otherwise.

Water and moderation.  Personally I'm all in favor of "mixing"...a shot of akevitt before dinner, beer or wine with dinner, etc.  If I'm having more than one drink its nice to vary it up.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: euge on September 24, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
+1 to that. I like to have maybe a martini or something on the rocks before dinner. That way there's still room for food. And it seems to stimulate the appetite. The danger is getting carried away and forgoing the meal.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: MrNate on September 25, 2010, 03:54:12 AM
Screw that. I drink. I'm drinking now. Moderation is for suckers.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: jeffy on September 25, 2010, 12:25:09 PM
Screw that. I drink. I'm drinking now. Moderation is for suckers.
I almost spit out my coffee.
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: tygo on September 25, 2010, 01:31:58 PM
How ya feeling this morning Nate?
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: beerocd on September 25, 2010, 01:34:32 PM
How ya feeling this morning Nate?

Shhhhhh - he's sleeping it off.... :P
Title: Re: Beer before Liquor...
Post by: MrNate on September 25, 2010, 03:21:33 PM
What's a morning?  ;D