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Title: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: roguejim on September 26, 2010, 09:05:00 AM
I just had these brews on tap at a local fair/homebrew comp.

For the first time, I had brews (Estate and Tumbler) by Sierra Nevada Brewery that I really didn't care for, especially the Tumbler-zero complexity.  A dud in my book.

I thought the Ranger IPA was decent, if not overwhelming.

Oddly enough, one of the breweries (I forget which one) had a keg of Smithwicks.  It seemed a tad flat, but the flavor was still very balanced and thoroughly enjoyable to me.  I'd like to take a crack at brewing a clone of that.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: micsager on September 28, 2010, 04:26:56 PM
I just had these brews on tap at a local fair/homebrew comp.

For the first time, I had brews (Estate and Tumbler) by Sierra Nevada Brewery that I really didn't care for, especially the Tumbler-zero complexity.  A dud in my book.

I thought the Ranger IPA was decent, if not overwhelming.

Oddly enough, one of the breweries (I forget which one) had a keg of Smithwicks.  It seemed a tad flat, but the flavor was still very balanced and thoroughly enjoyable to me.  I'd like to take a crack at brewing a clone of that.

I like the Ranger IPA as well.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: majorvices on October 03, 2010, 10:58:22 AM
I have heard a lot of people complain about the Ranger. I thought it was a fine beer. The best IPA I ever had? Certainly not. But I don't think every beer has to strive for the most complex beer you've ever put in your mouth. Sometimes, it just drinks good, and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: 1vertical on October 16, 2010, 05:33:16 AM
Ranger IPA is doable for sure.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: morticaixavier on October 27, 2010, 05:54:00 PM
Yeah I really like the Ranger, anyone have a clone recipe for it?
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: denny on October 27, 2010, 06:02:02 PM
I'm with Jim on the Ranger...maybe it's because that we're both from the PNW that we expect a bit more assertiveness in an IPA.  The best thing I can say about Ranger is that it's OK.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 06:07:21 PM
I'm with Jim on the Ranger...maybe it's because that we're both from the PNW that we expect a bit more assertiveness in an IPA.  The best thing I can say about Ranger is that it's OK.
I'm with you guys, Ranger is just ok.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: denny on October 27, 2010, 06:07:50 PM
Yet another PNW taster! 
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 06:16:22 PM
Yet another PNW taster! 
Yeah, but mic says he likes it, and he's a PNWer too.  Are you moving mic, or retracting your statement?  ;D
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: euge on October 27, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
I'm not a PNW'er and I thought they were average and unexciting. The Ranger is drinkable but I didn't care for the Tumbler at all.

Thanks for reminding me about the Smithwicks. I can get it at the local but never tried it.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: denny on October 27, 2010, 06:44:23 PM
I'm not a PNW'er and I thought they were average and unexciting.

That just means you're ready to move here!  ;)
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: euge on October 27, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
I'm not a PNW'er and I thought they were average and unexciting.

That just means you're ready to move here!  ;)

You never know what the next few years will bring.  ;) I've toyed with moving to the area (Eugene) over the last ten years.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: blatz on October 27, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
I agree that Tumbler is 'meh' - I bought a 12 pack the day my local store got it in (beginning of August?) and I still have 4 bottles left if that tells you anything.  

Ranger was pretty good - not the best IPA out there, but tasty and I'd certainly buy it again one day.

I'm suprised at the comment on Estate Harvest Ale though.  I had a bottle a few weeks ago and thought it was so fantastic, I went the next day after work to go grab a few more bottles, but it was all gone  :'(
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 07:17:56 PM
I'm not a PNW'er and I thought they were average and unexciting.

That just means you're ready to move here!  ;)

You never know what the next few years will bring.  ;) I've toyed with moving to the area (Eugene) over the last ten years.
If you move to Eugene, promise me you'll tell everyone the town is named after you!   ;D
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: ryang on October 27, 2010, 07:42:18 PM
I'm in NBB territory and had Ranger from the conditioning tanks before it was released.  I told the guy it was ok.  It's more of a gateway IPA.  Nice hop flavor but nothing that says wow.  It's flying off the shelves here though.

Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: BrewingRover on October 28, 2010, 03:57:12 AM
I Like Ranger well enough and my wife loves it. I took a stab at a clone that I'm still tweaking.
      Batch size: 5.00 gal
      Boil size: 6.25 gal
      Boil Time: 60 min
      Efficiency: 75%
     
      Fermentables
      11.50 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US.
       6 oz Crystal Malt - 40L.
      4 oz Crystal Malt - 80L.
     
      Hops

      .60 oz Simcoe (13%AA) @60
      .30 oz Chinook (13%AA) @60
      .33 oz Chinook (13%AA) @20
      .33 oz Simcoe (13%AA) @20
      .33 oz Cascade (5.5%AA) @20
      .50 oz Simcoe (13%AA) @5
      .50 oz Chinook (13%AA) @5
      1.00 oz Cascade (5.5%AA) @5
      .50 oz Chinook (13%AA) Dry Hop     
      .50 oz Cascade (5.5%AA)  Dry Hop
      .50 oz Simcoe (13%AA)  Dry Hop

I used Wyeast 1272 in my first batch as I had some around. I'll use 1056 next time as 1272 was too fruity to call it a clone. I also might throw in some biscuit malt, even though NB doesn't list it on their site
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: narcout on October 30, 2010, 12:04:41 AM
For the first time, I had brews (Estate and Tumbler) by Sierra Nevada Brewery that I really didn't care for, especially the Tumbler-zero complexity.  A dud in my book.

I tried the tumbler a few weeks ago and didn't care for it either, but I'm not a big fan of this style to begin with.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: kgs on November 05, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
For the first time, I had brews (Estate and Tumbler) by Sierra Nevada Brewery that I really didn't care for, especially the Tumbler-zero complexity.  A dud in my book.

I tried the tumbler a few weeks ago and didn't care for it either, but I'm not a big fan of this style to begin with.

What you said. Thought it might win me over. Didn't hate it but won't go back for more.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: morticaixavier on November 08, 2010, 07:04:25 PM
I Like Ranger well enough and my wife loves it. I took a stab at a clone that I'm still tweaking.
      Batch size: 5.00 gal
      Boil size: 6.25 gal
      Boil Time: 60 min
      Efficiency: 75%
     
      Fermentables
      11.50 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US.
       6 oz Crystal Malt - 40L.
      4 oz Crystal Malt - 80L.
     
      Hops

      .60 oz Simcoe (13%AA) @60
      .30 oz Chinook (13%AA) @60
      .33 oz Chinook (13%AA) @20
      .33 oz Simcoe (13%AA) @20
      .33 oz Cascade (5.5%AA) @20
      .50 oz Simcoe (13%AA) @5
      .50 oz Chinook (13%AA) @5
      1.00 oz Cascade (5.5%AA) @5
      .50 oz Chinook (13%AA) Dry Hop     
      .50 oz Cascade (5.5%AA)  Dry Hop
      .50 oz Simcoe (13%AA)  Dry Hop

I used Wyeast 1272 in my first batch as I had some around. I'll use 1056 next time as 1272 was too fruity to call it a clone. I also might throw in some biscuit malt, even though NB doesn't list it on their site

Cool. My dance card is a little full right now but if you tweak it up and get something going let me know!
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: kgs on November 02, 2011, 02:46:26 AM
I  had the Sierra Nevada Estate on tap this Sunday and loved it. Actually said "yum" on the first sip. Hoppy and malty, with real depth.
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: speed on November 05, 2011, 12:21:21 AM
the recipe for ranger is in the december 2010 issue of BYO
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: liquidbrewing on November 17, 2011, 03:03:18 AM
But I don't think every beer has to strive for the most complex beer you've ever put in your mouth. Sometimes, it just drinks good, and that's good enough for me.

Ditto.  Had to give props to majorvices on this one.  It's that same way I feel, everyone's palette is different.  Enjoy the brew!
Title: Re: Sierra Nevada Estate & Tumbler...New Belgium Ranger IPA
Post by: garc_mall on November 17, 2011, 06:26:05 PM
I am with the rest of the PNW Crew in saying that Ranger was kind of Meh. I didn't necessarily think it was bad, but it wouldn't be in my top 15 of IPAs, and I guarantee I can get an IPA I prefer anywhere I can find Ranger.

Tumbler I found OK, but not exciting, but I don't really enjoy the American hoppy take on Browns, I prefer the Malt-forward English style.

Haven't tried SN Estate, but I might grab some if I see it.

Oh, and as an aside regarding Smithwick's - One of the best beers I have found for converting BMC drinkers towards craft beer.