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Title: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: dano14041 on September 26, 2010, 05:59:32 PM
I am planning on building a Mash tun soon and have followed the discussion of Round vs Rectangular. I am going to go rectangular since they seem to be less expensive and easier to use.

The next question is do you prefer a screen, a braid or a manifold. If you use a screen or a braid, do you use a loop or a single "pipe" down the center?

On a side note, what volume would be good? I am doing 5 gal batch and probably won't go much larger for the foreseeable future. I can get a 48 qt cooler for $19.99 or a 70 qt cooler for $36.99.

Thanks,
Dano

edited to correct cooler prices
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: tubercle on September 26, 2010, 06:24:53 PM
Batch sparge and none of the above, screen, braid, manifold, round, or rectangular will matter.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: euge on September 26, 2010, 06:25:03 PM
I vote for the 70 qt rectangular. Use a braid running down the middle if you plan to batch-sparge.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: Matt B on September 26, 2010, 06:50:02 PM
Unless you have the equipment for fly sparging, I agree on the batch sparging and that none of them really matter. My only opinion is that the stainless steel braid never worked for me, it clogged up. And it tended to float through the grain bed as I was stirring.

But what you *do* want to do is make sure that whatever is actually drawing the water out (excluding the braid, manifold, etc) is as close to the bottom as possible, or you will be losing sparging efficiency due to an inch of wort sitting there because the air level met whatever open piece of equipment you're using. Stick a couple of 90 degree copper elbows together if you have to.

Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: tschmidlin on September 26, 2010, 07:04:01 PM
If you're sure you'll only ever do 5 gallons, I vote for the 48 qt one, that way it will take up less space when stored.  You can easily fit 30 lbs of grain in there, that's plenty for most 5 gallon batches, even when Fred is brewing. :)  
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: denny on September 26, 2010, 07:13:20 PM
Today I'm brewing my 382nd batch using a braid.  It works so well that I've never considered anything else.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: tschmidlin on September 26, 2010, 07:31:33 PM
What size braid do you use Denny?  How long is it compared to the length of the cooler?
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: denny on September 26, 2010, 10:22:46 PM
IIRC, it's about 3/8" id.  It's just a bit shorter than the length of the cooler, but only because that was the last length I experimented with.  Shorter lengths worked just as well.

http://hbd.org/clubs/cascade/public_html/dennybrew/braid.jpg

http://hbd.org/clubs/cascade/public_html/dennybrew/bung2.jpg
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: tschmidlin on September 26, 2010, 10:44:07 PM
If only there was a website set up with pictures and explanations for what you do and why, and then you could put a link to it in your signature file so people could just go look . . .  ;D
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: bonjour on September 26, 2010, 11:37:41 PM
try this
http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/ (http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/)
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: bluesman on September 27, 2010, 12:45:24 AM
Blue coolers with a braid rule!  ;)
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: richardt on September 27, 2010, 01:04:01 AM
I'm amazed at Denny's 300+ brews with a dinky little ss braid hose--it baffles me how it works so well with batch sparging (i.e., "just open the valves and drain it"). But, I'm still a believer in batch sparging

I have a SS Bazooka braid (12-inch) in an {orange} round 10 gallon cooler (and, yes, I do 10 gallon batches).  Haven't really experienced a quick lauter yet (but, to be fair, I have had the barleycrusher maltmill on an extremely fine crush--narrow mill gap).  My efficiencies have been good, but my lauters have not been quick, let's just say.

My last brew was an american wheat.... the lauter from hell.

I've since set my mill gap back to "normal." I'm still undecided about the SS Bazooka braid.  My next brew day is likely next week.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: dhacker on September 27, 2010, 11:19:26 AM
Stainless braid attached to copper. Four runs of braid to drains at each end. Overkill? maybe. But never a stuck sparge, never any rice hulls, and I've used lots of wheat and rye! Oh . . and the cooler is blue!  :D

(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af255/dhacker50/Tun1.jpg)
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: theDarkSide on September 27, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
If only there was a website set up with pictures and explanations for what you do and why,

This is the exact setup I have, based on Denny's method:

http://brewing.lustreking.com/gear/mashtun.html (http://brewing.lustreking.com/gear/mashtun.html)
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: theDarkSide on September 27, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Today I'm brewing my 382nd batch using a braid.  It works so well that I've never considered anything else.

Denny...in those 382 batches, how many times would you say you've changed out the braid?
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: Hokerer on September 27, 2010, 12:59:28 PM
Today I'm brewing my 382nd batch using a braid.  It works so well that I've never considered anything else.

Denny...in those 382 batches, how many times would you say you've changed out the braid?

Not Denny, but I'm pretty sure the answer will be zero
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: denny on September 27, 2010, 03:29:47 PM
Today I'm brewing my 382nd batch using a braid.  It works so well that I've never considered anything else.

Denny...in those 382 batches, how many times would you say you've changed out the braid?


Never!  Same braid for all the batches, nearly 12 years.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: tschmidlin on September 27, 2010, 03:40:35 PM
If only there was a website set up with pictures and explanations for what you do and why, and then you could put a link to it in your signature file so people could just go look . . .  ;D
You guys knew I was joking right?  Because Denny has a website set up with pics and explanations that he links to in his sig? Too subtle?

I appreciate the links though, especially yours DS - I've got the same cooler that I want to try mashing with, so seeing how you did it is nice.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: bonjour on September 27, 2010, 03:52:44 PM
It can't possibly work unless it's Yellow, Round, and with a False Bottom



 ;D ;) :D :o
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: alikocho on September 27, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
I have a modified Denny setup. In a blue cooler.

I live in the UK, and everyone it's weird, but they all want to know how I built it given that it works so well.
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: 1vertical on October 03, 2010, 01:09:43 PM
Blue coolers with a braid rule!  ;)
Accent the Color
+1
Title: Re: Screen, Braid, or Manifold
Post by: dano14041 on October 03, 2010, 01:55:34 PM
Doh! I already messed up. My cooler is green.  ;D  :D