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Title: Brewing Software
Post by: aleman1949 on November 21, 2009, 06:26:47 AM
I've been using ProMash for a number of years, and have been pleased with it.  However, it hasn't been updated in several years.  I understand that the developer is not actively engaged in maintaining the program.  I've heard good things about Beer Smith, which I understand is being maintained by the developer on a current basis.

Any thoughts about making the switch?

Thanks.  Brew On!
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: lonnie mac on November 21, 2009, 06:46:20 AM
I loved ProMash... It was the staple on my PC... Later I found Beer Smith. The user interface was great! It was, (is) regularly updated as far as I know and a very solid program...

Then comes my iMac... So while I love ProMash and Beer Smith on my pc's, Beer Tools Pro is just unreal on my iMac's. A bit of a learning curve for sure, but a great program.

If you are interested in Beer Smith, I could not give it enough kudos! I believe that they have a trial package, I may be wrong...
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: tygo on November 21, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
Here's a recent discussion of beersmith:

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=236.0

Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: smurfe on November 21, 2009, 02:55:35 PM
I love Beersmith, I miss Beersmith as I am now on Mac as well. I tried the different suggestions to get it to work on a Mac but have had issues with each event. Mainly I can never use the Brew Sheet preview or print. It is a great program though that I was comfortably breezing through in about an hour. I have been hearing forever that a Mac version is coming but I got tired of waiting. If and when it does get here, I will buy it.

I bought a copy of Beer Tools Pro and BeerAlchemy yesterday. I have to say they are not nearly as easy to use. Actually making a recipe is easy although a bit more clumsy than in Beer Smith. My issue so far is getting the software setup with my equipment. Each program seems to ask a different spec of a piece of equipment. Of the two I bought, I kind of lean toward Beeralchemy. That does you no good though if you are on a PC as it is Mac only. I way prefer Beersmith over Beer Tools Pro though. Pro Mash never interested me at all. I tried  demo and ditched it the minute I tried BeerSmith.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: deepsouth on November 21, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
i use beersmith on the pc and my favorite for my iphone is brew pal (.99).  brew pal has some very cool features and is updated often.  one of my favorite features is a program that matches your ingredients to beer styles per the bjcp list of styles and you can set the "sensitivity" for it.  i realize that doesn't probably make sense until you do it.

Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bluesman on November 21, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
i use beersmith on the pc and my favorite for my iphone is brew pal (.99).  brew pal has some very cool features and is updated often.  one of my favorite features is a program that matches your ingredients to beer styles per the bjcp list of styles and you can set the "sensitivity" for it.  i realize that doesn't probably make sense until you do it.



+1

Beersmith is great!

I also have Brewpal on my iphone...I should use it more often.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: deepsouth on November 22, 2009, 03:26:14 AM
i use beersmith on the pc and my favorite for my iphone is brew pal (.99).  brew pal has some very cool features and is updated often.  one of my favorite features is a program that matches your ingredients to beer styles per the bjcp list of styles and you can set the "sensitivity" for it.  i realize that doesn't probably make sense until you do it.



+1

Beersmith is great!

I also have Brewpal on my iphone...I should use it more often.


i actually get my beer programmed into brew pal and make adjustments there before i enter it into beersmith.   the numbers are also very close between the two programs.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: lonnie mac on November 22, 2009, 03:29:55 AM
i use beersmith on the pc and my favorite for my iphone is brew pal (.99).  brew pal has some very cool features and is updated often.  one of my favorite features is a program that matches your ingredients to beer styles per the bjcp list of styles and you can set the "sensitivity" for it.  i realize that doesn't probably make sense until you do it.



Alright! Where is the "Android" version! I am ready to try it!
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: tygo on November 22, 2009, 03:37:25 AM
Just downloaded the trial version of beersmith and input the ESB recipe I'm planning on brewing.  Everything looks good. I've got the strike water quantity calculated but I don't see an option to calculate the sparge water volume and temp.  I'm batch sparging btw.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: rep on November 22, 2009, 04:09:47 AM
Just downloaded the trial version of beersmith and input the ESB recipe I'm planning on brewing.  Everything looks good. I've got the strike water quantity calculated but I don't see an option to calculate the sparge water volume and temp.  I'm batch sparging btw.

Look in the mash profiles.  There, you need to add information for each of your mash steps.

I set up three different mash profiles all based on my equipment.  A light, medium and full body mash.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 22, 2009, 11:33:53 PM
brew pal has some very cool features and is updated often.  one of my favorite features is a program that matches your ingredients to beer styles per the bjcp list of styles and you can set the "sensitivity" for it.  i realize that doesn't probably make sense until you do it.


Yes BrewPal is indeed very nice program.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: Kaiser on November 23, 2009, 02:21:08 AM
I used to use Beersmith a lot. But then I started to miss a number of features and found that I rarely had a pc with me when I needed to take notes. So I developed my log book pages and have stopped using Beersmith.

Now that I have discovered the usefulness and constant availability of mobile devices like the iPod, I'd love to see an app that allows me to take notes very quickly and associate them with a given batch. I have brewpal, but don't find it very useful for my brewing. But I have a spreadsheet app that I use for efficiency analysis and water design.

Kai
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: tygo on November 23, 2009, 03:01:28 AM
I'm assuming that Beer Smith calculates hop utilization based on the pre-boil volume and SG as opposed to the batch size OG.  Is that right?
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on November 23, 2009, 04:18:05 AM
The place to ask that question would be on the BeerSmith board.  I'm sure the author, Brad, will get back to you.

Fred
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: BrewArk on March 17, 2010, 04:50:31 AM
I have excel '97 and this doesn't work for me but has anyone tried this:

http://dieseldrafts.com/spreadsheet/ (http://dieseldrafts.com/spreadsheet/)

It looks extremely comprehensive if you have excel 2007.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: weazletoe on March 20, 2010, 09:11:45 PM

Alright! Where is the "Android" version! I am ready to try it!

+1

  In the meantime, download Brewzor to it. It does a little bit.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: Gustavo chiqui Velasquez on March 25, 2010, 04:20:15 PM
Hi, I prefer beersmith. cheers, form Argentina.

Gustavo.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: swampale on April 14, 2010, 10:25:14 PM
I have used Promash for 7-8 years now. No reason to switch. I don't need updates. I put my own styles in as well as hops, yeast, grains etc. I brew the same beer now as I have done the last 10 years. Why switch? I don't understand the negative reviews Promash gets. It must be " NEW " brewers. I am an old guy...


Swampale
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: theDarkSide on April 15, 2010, 12:22:15 PM
I have used Promash for 7-8 years now. No reason to switch. I don't need updates. I put my own styles in as well as hops, yeast, grains etc. I brew the same beer now as I have done the last 10 years. Why switch? I don't understand the negative reviews Promash gets. It must be " NEW " brewers. I am an old guy...


Swampale

I have nothing negative to say about Promash, but I prefer Beersmith better.  What I haven't done is enter the same recipe into each and see how they compare ( IBU Calc, gravity, etc. ). 
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: roy on April 15, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
I've used Promash for a few years and just started using Beersmith this year. Both are equally useful for documenting brew sessions and tracking inventory, but Beersmith's output is a bit nicer for sharing with others.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: weithman5 on April 15, 2010, 05:48:05 PM
I still like to do everything with a pencil and paper.  i then try to type up the notes because my penmanship suffers with each batch 8)
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: IHBHS on April 23, 2010, 02:17:50 AM
I haven't used anything but BeerSmith, so I really have no comparison to ProMash or anything else, I do however really like the interface that BeerSmith has. 
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: skynyrd on May 06, 2010, 01:52:00 PM
I use "BeerTools".  I use the online version and it has always seemed simple & easy to understand.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: deepsouth on May 24, 2010, 07:58:50 PM
wouldn't it be nice if beersmith actually released an update with all the new malts, yeasts and hops in it?
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: richardt on May 25, 2010, 12:16:31 AM
wouldn't it be nice if beersmith actually released an update with all the new malts, yeasts and hops in it?

+1  My sentiments, exactly!
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on May 25, 2010, 01:22:53 AM
As the author of many of the updates available on the BeerSmith site, specifically what are you talking about.
Given the specific information it is not difficult to add updates.  Finding the info was the difficult part
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: kgs on May 26, 2010, 03:54:15 PM
As the author of many of the updates available on the BeerSmith site, specifically what are you talking about.
Given the specific information it is not difficult to add updates.  Finding the info was the difficult part

Maybe we're not looking in the right places? For example, I'd like to be able to specify Safale US-05. Is this somewhere on the Beersmith site?
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on May 26, 2010, 04:31:15 PM
http://beersmith.com/support.htm (http://beersmith.com/support.htm)
toward the bottom on the right you will see grain fruit updates.

Go into the yeast/hop/grain database and make a duplicate of a similar item.
Edit the duplicate with the new data from the tech sheet.

I have several selections for my US-05 yeast each with different attenuations that are used with different mash schedules.

Fred
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: kgs on May 26, 2010, 04:59:35 PM
...Go into the yeast/hop/grain database and make a duplicate of a similar item.
Edit the duplicate with the new data from the tech sheet. ...

Beersmith is wonderful software at a great price, but I'll repeat what others said: "wouldn't it be nice if beersmith ... released an update with all the new malts, yeasts and hops in it?" I'd pay for an update that bundled in all the available data into it. The "chore" of Beersmith is importing or hand-creating the data. This becomes even more of an issue if like me you're running Beersmith on two machines.

Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: richardt on May 26, 2010, 06:04:27 PM
As the author of many of the updates available on the BeerSmith site, specifically what are you talking about.
Given the specific information it is not difficult to add updates.  Finding the info was the difficult part

I'd be happy to send you my requests/suggestions by PM.
I don't want forum members to think I'm fault-finding BeerSmith.  That is not the intent.
I actually like it and use it--I just think some things could be better.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: kgs on May 26, 2010, 08:00:23 PM
As the author of many of the updates available on the BeerSmith site, specifically what are you talking about.
Given the specific information it is not difficult to add updates.  Finding the info was the difficult part

I'd be happy to send you my requests/suggestions by PM.
I don't want forum members to think I'm fault-finding BeerSmith.  That is not the intent.
I actually like it and use it--I just think some things could be better.


Exactly. The people offering suggestions are doing this on behalf of a product they like. The "other" machine I'm running it on is a MacBook where I'm running it under VMWare... and it's the only reason I ever launch VMWare.  :) I just used Beersmith today to scale up a recipe, calculate priming sugar for a batch I'm bottling, record notes in the brew log for said batch, and calculate a hydrometer reading (factoring in for temp). It's a very smart, well-rounded product; there are just some things some of us would like to see in 1.5.

And now back to cleaning West Coast Blaster off the kitchen floor (this batch is so tasty I was tempted just to lick the floor clean :) ).
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: The Rabid Brewer on May 26, 2010, 08:59:47 PM
I've got the strike water quantity calculated but I don't see an option to calculate the sparge water volume and temp.  I'm batch sparging btw.
This is one of the things BeerSmith could do better, IMHO. As someone already mentioned, you set up your mash / sparge in the mash profile tab. To see how much sparge water you'll actually need (what beersmith calculates), you'll then need to switch views to the brew sheet.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: The Rabid Brewer on May 26, 2010, 09:02:51 PM
wouldn't it be nice if beersmith actually released an update with all the new malts, yeasts and hops in it?

The nice thing about BeerSmith is that you don't need a program update to update just ingredients lists. I believe the community is working on a lot of those things and you can probably find that information on the BeerSmith site or in the forum over there.

I personally don't find it lacking in too many places, and copying an existing ingredient (I added a couple of the seasonal yeasts I've used recently) to create a new one is pretty simple.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: The Rabid Brewer on May 26, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
I don't want forum members to think I'm fault-finding BeerSmith ...I just think some things could be better.

I hope I don't sound like I'm pimping BeerSmith, I don't have any affiliation, I just use it a lot.

Anyway, supposedly Brad is working on a major update to be available later this year.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: The Rabid Brewer on May 26, 2010, 09:07:43 PM
i use beersmith on the pc and my favorite for my iphone is brew pal

At one point the author of BrewPal told me it was going to support BeerXML in a future version. That would allow you to transfer recipes between BeerSmith and BrewPal.  That was a while ago though, so not sure what happened with that.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: kgs on May 26, 2010, 09:53:53 PM
i use beersmith on the pc and my favorite for my iphone is brew pal

At one point the author of BrewPal told me it was going to support BeerXML in a future version. That would allow you to transfer recipes between BeerSmith and BrewPal.  That was a while ago though, so not sure what happened with that.

Just checked the site: "BeerXML import and export is coming soon in version 1.7! " That would be really valuable. BrewPal is amazing, especially for the price. Oh, and kudos for Beersmith for supporting BeerXML in the first place, not only for the long-term preservation issues related to content creation but also for supporting and promoting open standards.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bigfatjoey on June 01, 2010, 09:20:53 PM
So I'm getting kinda lost.

What programs are compatible for Mac?  Beer Tools Pro is all that I see yall talking about.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on June 01, 2010, 09:47:29 PM
Not much out there,  BeerSmith 2.0 (late this year) will support the MAC
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: airlocksniffer on June 02, 2010, 08:44:58 PM
For Mac I use Beer Alchemy.  Has a nice iPod companion program that wirelessly syncs with your main database.

www.kentplacesoftware.com
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bigfatjoey on June 04, 2010, 03:09:49 AM
BeerSmith 2.0 (late this year) will support the MAC

Do you know when.  I've used and like beersmith, but I'm not really in the mood for waiting.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on June 04, 2010, 01:27:07 PM
BeerSmith 2.0 (late this year) will support the MAC

Do you know when.  I've used and like beersmith, but I'm not really in the mood for waiting.
Sorry, no specific dates yet
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: Hokerer on June 04, 2010, 01:34:21 PM
Do you know when.  I've used and like beersmith, but I'm not really in the mood for waiting.

Sure hope you don't use ProMash, hasn't everyone been waiting like 10 years for an update on that one?
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: theDarkSide on June 04, 2010, 01:43:54 PM
http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=3066.0 (http://www.beersmith.com/forum/index.php?topic=3066.0)

Don't own a Mac, but I don't think anyone should be shut out from great brewing software ( even if they do own a silly computer :) )
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: denny on June 04, 2010, 03:43:03 PM
Do you know when.  I've used and like beersmith, but I'm not really in the mood for waiting.

Sure hope you don't use ProMash, hasn't everyone been waiting like 10 years for an update on that one?

I've used Promash for over 10 years, but I'm not waiting for an update.  There's nothing more that I need it to do than it already does.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: kgs on June 05, 2010, 12:21:24 AM
For Mac I use Beer Alchemy.  Has a nice iPod companion program that wirelessly syncs with your main database.

www.kentplacesoftware.com

Thanks for the suggestion. I see it supports BeerXML, too.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on June 11, 2010, 01:37:37 PM
I was PM'd about how to and To send a recipe from BeerSmith to a friend
To send a BeerSmith recipe right click on the recipe in the brewlog (list of recipes) and select "export as"
the middle option gives several options, select "text"

better, have him get BeerSmith and send him the BeerSmith file format (.bsm file) (same method as above) and he can than manipulate the recipe

Also available are Beer XML file format and web or custom file format.

Fred
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: dean on June 12, 2010, 11:24:37 PM
Hey Fred, I just bought Beersmith, are there any upgrades for detailing my equipment... coleman extreme 70qt. etc.  I'm just playing around with it now.
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: bonjour on June 13, 2010, 02:08:08 AM
There are no upgrades or addons for equipment, but it should be quite simple to add your own
Title: Re: Brewing Software
Post by: dean on June 13, 2010, 10:40:37 AM
Yeh, I figured it out and I am pretty simple.   :D  8)