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Title: I miss TechTalk
Post by: ben_bock on October 19, 2010, 09:15:56 pm
I still miss it.  I'm unhappy that it was axed.

Ben Bock
AHA Member since 1993 or so
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: a10t2 on October 19, 2010, 09:43:35 pm
Welcome to the forum! I think you'll find it meets your needs.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: EHall on October 19, 2010, 09:48:07 pm
Hows the testing of TT2 coming along? Last I heard they were testing and never heard another word about it...
Sure be nice to get some kind of status.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: denny on October 19, 2010, 09:52:40 pm
Still testing...it's not easy to find a way to make it as good as it was but still stay within the budget/manpower requirements.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: svejk on October 19, 2010, 09:56:57 pm
As said above, I also think that if you give it a chance, the forum will meet your needs.  Just for kicks, I took a look at the last 10 TT emails, and they can be summed up as follows:

50 posts about TT and the transition
17 announcements about competitions or requests for GABF tickets
51 beer related posts

That means, on average, about 5 beer related posts that I might be interested in.  Unfortunately, a lot of those posts said the same thing because responders didn't necessarily know that the question had been answered until the next day.

Ironically, I probably wouldn't have signed up for the forum if there hadn't been such a firestorm on TT, but I'm glad I did.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: dbeechum on October 19, 2010, 11:16:12 pm
Yup, TT2 is in progress and mostly held up by real life.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: theDarkSide on October 20, 2010, 12:19:27 pm
Yup, TT2 is in progress and mostly held up by real life.
So you're sayin' you've got one Drew?  ;)
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: bonjour on October 20, 2010, 01:54:32 pm
Drew with a life???

Now that's a joke!
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 20, 2010, 07:58:13 pm
Just for kicks, I took a look at the last 10 TT emails, and they can be summed up as follows:

50 posts about TT and the transition
17 announcements about competitions or requests for GABF tickets
51 beer related posts

These type of summations continue to irk me. 

Take a look at the RSS feed for the forum.

Milk, BBQ, Hockey, Aruba, Beer in the Bible.  I could go on and on.

There's far more noise and much less of a tight focus on the forum.

For the record, I am not saying that there are not quality beer focused discussions on the forum.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: svejk on October 21, 2010, 04:48:26 am
Just for kicks, I took a look at the last 10 TT emails, and they can be summed up as follows:

50 posts about TT and the transition
17 announcements about competitions or requests for GABF tickets
51 beer related posts

These type of summations continue to irk me. 

Take a look at the RSS feed for the forum.

Milk, BBQ, Hockey, Aruba, Beer in the Bible.  I could go on and on.

There's far more noise and much less of a tight focus on the forum.

For the record, I am not saying that there are not quality beer focused discussions on the forum.

Oops - I guess I shouldn't have listed the number of off-topic posts since my point was that there were only about 5 beer related posts per day. Even that is a little misleading since on TT, if somebody would ask a simple question, they could get several replies saying the same thing. The repetition is less likely on the forum.  I mostly ignore the off-topic stuff on the forum so it really doesn't bother me. 
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Tim McManus on October 21, 2010, 01:36:46 pm
One thing that's missing from the forums that we had on TT was David Houseman.  I knew that with every post I made I could count on getting a reply from him and subsequently had some very good discussions with him.

In grad school they told us that the most important thing in the classroom was the students.  The ability to share different experiences and insights significantly increased the value of the classroom.

I wonder how many other folks we lost in the transition...
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: bluesman on October 21, 2010, 01:43:15 pm
One thing that's missing from the forums that we had on TT was David Houseman.  I knew that with every post I made I could count on getting a reply from him and subsequently had some very good discussions with him.

In grad school they told us that the most important thing in the classroom was the students.  The ability to share different experiences and insights significantly increased the value of the classroom.

I wonder how many other folks we lost in the transition...

Agreed.

Note: The forum has Gordon Strong, Denny Conn and Fred Bonjour just to name a few.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Mikey on October 21, 2010, 01:56:24 pm
I'd rather have several answers from the semi-educated masses, than one from an "expert". Experts seem to have canned answers for everything.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Tim McManus on October 21, 2010, 01:59:09 pm
One thing that's missing from the forums that we had on TT was David Houseman.  I knew that with every post I made I could count on getting a reply from him and subsequently had some very good discussions with him.

In grad school they told us that the most important thing in the classroom was the students.  The ability to share different experiences and insights significantly increased the value of the classroom.

I wonder how many other folks we lost in the transition...

Agreed.

Note: The forum has Gordon Strong, Denny Conn and Fred Bonjour just to name a few.


Oh, no knocks against any folks, it was just an example.  I've picked up some really good information on mashing over the past couple of weeks.  Houseman was just an example of one person who was a regular contributor, and I haven't seen any recent forum posts by him.

Also, the header of TT usually had an AHA or industry-related post by Charlie P.,  Gary Glass or some other folks.  If there are announcements like that on this forums, I think I lose them in the RSS feed.  There's no way to prioritize certain sections of the forums so they are listed at the top of the RSS feed other than subscribing to a particular thread.  So although it was manually done, there was some value to the organization of the posts.  My RSS reader might be archaic in that regard, but it was one thing that we had in TT that we might not be able to implement with RSS.

Even with all the change, I am embracing the forums more than TT.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: bluesman on October 21, 2010, 02:19:53 pm
Even with all the change, I am embracing the forums more than TT.

I am very pleased to hear this.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: a10t2 on October 21, 2010, 02:37:55 pm
Also, the header of TT usually had an AHA or industry-related post by Charlie P.,  Gary Glass or some other folks.  If there are announcements like that on this forums, I think I lose them in the RSS feed.

Is that anything like this subcategory (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?board=19.0)?
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Tim McManus on October 21, 2010, 02:58:33 pm
Also, the header of TT usually had an AHA or industry-related post by Charlie P.,  Gary Glass or some other folks.  If there are announcements like that on this forums, I think I lose them in the RSS feed.

Is that anything like this subcategory (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?board=19.0)?

Wow, I completely missed those.  I think the subcategory needs to be broken out a bit.  It has AHA announcements, FAQs and the rules lumped together.  I would have put the announcements in another thread since they'll be more dynamic than Rules and FAQs.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: denny on October 21, 2010, 02:59:30 pm
Also, the header of TT usually had an AHA or industry-related post by Charlie P.,  Gary Glass or some other folks.  If there are announcements like that on this forums, I think I lose them in the RSS feed.

Is that anything like this subcategory (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?board=19.0)?

Wow, I completely missed those.  I think the subcategory needs to be broken out a bit.  It has AHA announcements, FAQs and the rules lumped together.  I would have put the announcements in another thread since they'll be more dynamic than Rules and FAQs.

That was considered, but we decided no to add another subforum.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: karlh on October 21, 2010, 03:31:10 pm
The thing about tech talk was that I had a daily reminder that I was a member of a national organization.  I have time to check email once or twice a day, never minded that reminder, and usually read it.  For all the benefits of the forum, I have to remind myself to go and log in, and then browse to see if there's something of interest. 

From a pure solidarity point of view, I felt like more of a member, and valued my membership a little more with the daily reminders.  Now the only emails I get from the AHA are trying to sell me something or ask me to renew. 
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: tumarkin on October 21, 2010, 03:41:58 pm
The thing about tech talk was that I had a daily reminder that I was a member of a national organization.  I have time to check email once or twice a day, never minded that reminder, and usually read it.  For all the benefits of the forum, I have to remind myself to go and log in, and then browse to see if there's something of interest. 

From a pure solidarity point of view, I felt like more of a member, and valued my membership a little more with the daily reminders.  Now the only emails I get from the AHA are trying to sell me something or ask me to renew. 

This is a great point. Well stated.

I have been using the Forum; and while I like it, I find it is more of a time sink than TechTalk. I login & check the Unread posts... either reading all or just those I find of interest, depending on how much time I have. I like the Forum, & will continue to use it, but I really look forward to TT2.

Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: deepsouth on October 21, 2010, 03:49:48 pm
i get emails from aha...

"Changes made to American Homebrewers Association in the last 168 hours: "


evolution is always harder for some than others.   i often find myself looking at the window and telling the kids to "get off my lawn"!
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2010, 04:37:31 pm
The thing about tech talk was that I had a daily reminder that I was a member of a national organization.  I have time to check email once or twice a day, never minded that reminder, and usually read it.  For all the benefits of the forum, I have to remind myself to go and log in, and then browse to see if there's something of interest. 

I have been using the Forum; and while I like it, I find it is more of a time sink than TechTalk. I login & check the Unread posts... either reading all or just those I find of interest, depending on how much time I have. I like the Forum, & will continue to use it, but I really look forward to TT2.

I'm more used to the Forum except for the following distinction: 
TT provided us with questions which got answered.  It was to the point.  
The Forum provides discussion.  Unfortunately with discussion comes more off topic diverse chatter that clouds the topic. There are plenty of answers to a question – the problem is that you have to wade through some junk to find the answers.  As a topic gets more responses, the amount of jibber-jabber get greater.  That's the "time sink" mentioned.   I'd rather have a root canal! 

I'm guilty of adding to the time sink on some topics in the forum too.  By doing so I increase the ridiculous number of stars to the left under my name. I also get to be a "Master Brewer" faster and raise those posts number.  

How juvenile am I?  What's more important?  The number of posts and responses or the quality of them?

I'm looking forward to TT2 too!
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: joeysmokedporter on October 21, 2010, 04:52:31 pm
Is there a possibility of setting up separate RSS feeds for the different boards?  This would allow people to get RSS updates for only the boards they want to follow--thereby filtering out the bar talk if they wish.

I'm also supportive of the move to the forum but since I use RSS heavily to stay on top of what is going on (along with other news feeds that are non-brewing related), the above would make it easier for me to quickly see and respond to what is relevant.

Also, have you considered full-text RSS rather than just a few lines? I know the benefit of the current setup is driving people to the site to see the full post, but I have to admit my default is to pay less attention when I don't see everything.  Also, if I feel more inclined to participate, I would have to click through anyway to respond.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Hokerer on October 21, 2010, 05:08:32 pm
Is there a possibility of setting up separate RSS feeds for the different boards?  This would allow people to get RSS updates for only the boards they want to follow--thereby filtering out the bar talk if they wish.

Sure thing, instructions here...

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=3328.0 (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=3328.0)

...look towards the bottom
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: a10t2 on October 21, 2010, 05:10:43 pm
The thing about tech talk was that I had a daily reminder that I was a member of a national organization.  I have time to check email once or twice a day, never minded that reminder, and usually read it.

Maybe this is what you're looking for? http://www.feedmailer.net/
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: theDarkSide on October 21, 2010, 05:35:41 pm
I would like to suggest that TT2 be an opt in service, rather than just automatic.  This may give you some accurate numbers as to how many really want this service.

I actually dropped TT before the term date because I've found the forum much more useful.


Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: joeysmokedporter on October 21, 2010, 06:46:54 pm
The thing about tech talk was that I had a daily reminder that I was a member of a national organization.  I have time to check email once or twice a day, never minded that reminder, and usually read it.

Maybe this is what you're looking for? http://www.feedmailer.net/

thanks, I missed the update to the post.  This helps a lot.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: boulderbrewer on October 23, 2010, 04:19:02 am
8/20

1. Drew Beechum - Reminder - Call for Alternative Techtalk Tech Proposals
2. Michael Frenn - How Many IBUs in Blind Pig?
3. Scott Polo - Hop Pests
4. Joe Dunne - Dry Hopping in Keg
5. Jason Ingram - I need tickets to GABF Saturday Afternoon Session
6. Bradley Hunter - Perle Hops
7. Jonathan Adams - 15th Annual Music City Brew off: Judge invite
 
8/09

1. Randall Keiper - Need Friday GABF Ticket
2. Brett Goldstock - Ok to Store Kegs With Starsan?
3. Joe Dunne - Bottles in Chicago
4. Chris Harper - Home Brewfest Ideas Needed
5. Ken Carman - As the Summer Ends...
6. Scott LaFollette - Beer and Sweat deadline is ALMOST HERE!
 
 
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7. Mike Sears - Re: Madison Brewpubs
8. Ken Carman - Re: Rhubarb Beer Again!
9. Joe Dunne - Re: Better Bottles
10. Scott Stihler - Re: TechTalk Transition
11. Anita Steven - Re: TechTalk Transition
12. Bill Lynch - Re: TechTalk Transition
13. Bill Pierce - Re: TechTalk Transition
14. Curt Stock - Re: TechTalk Transition
15. David Kudrav - Re: TechTalk Transition
16. Dana Colwell - Re: TechTalk Transition
17. Louise Fugier - Re: TechTalk Transition
18. Jennifer Nelson Kemp - Re: TechTalk Transition
19. Josh Pederson - Re: TechTalk Transition
20. Josh Richards - Re: TechTalk Transition
21. Keith Yager - Re: TechTalk Transition
22. Richard Lane - Re: TechTalk Transition
23. Mike Stogin - Re: TechTalk Transition
24. Ron Thompson - Re: TechTalk Transition
25. Steve Scoville - Re: TechTalk Transition
26. Trent Maier - Re: TechTalk Transition
27. Virgil Russell Re: TechTalk Transition
28. Ron Short - Re: TechTalk Transition


7/19

1. Josh Pederson - Malt Potential Extract
2. Jonathan Rice - IIPA Overheated Fermentation Question
3. Alexander Artau - Sour Hefeweizen
4. Ryan Thomas - 4th Annual KROC Great American Beer Challenge
 
 
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5. Denny Gehr - Re: Philly Bars
6. Rene Bartholemy - Re: 2 days in Brussels
7. Jerome Wilson - Re: 2 days in Brussels
8. Paul Mahoney - Re: 2 days in Brussels
9. David Houseman - Re: Recipe Requirements
10. Ken Carman - Re: Coffee Wit?
11. Steve Espach - Re: Coffee Wit?
12. David Houseman - Re: Question About AHA Sanctioned Homebrew Competition
13. Kirk Bigger - Re: Question About AHA Sanctioned Homebrew Competition; Recipe Requirement for Competition Entry
14. David Houseman - Re: Metallic Taste
15. Bill Pierce - Re: Metallic Taste
 
7/12


. Julia Herz - Beer Journalist Job Security?
2. Michael Huss - PBW/Star San
3. Bill Hoge - Peat Smoked Grain
4. Charlie Dempsey - LA House Bill 1484 Signed by Governor Jindal
5. John Peed - MCAB Update
 
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6. Trent Maier - Re: Vancouver Beer
7. James Shamas - Re: Two Questions
8. Ken Nelson - Re: Moth Balls
9. Anduin Suchan - Re: Moth Balls
10. Carl Saxer - Re: Moth Balls

 
 
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8. Ryan Thomas - Re: How to Extract a Broken Quick Connect From a Ball Valve
9. Calvin Perilloux - Re: Brewing on Christmas Island
10. Steve Seeley - Re: Poll on Tech Talk on the Forum
11. Nick Williams - Re: Poll on Tech Talk on the Forum
12. Michael P. Thompson - Re: Poll on Tech Talk on the Forum
13. Eric Hall - Re: Continental ingredients in an IPA
14. Mike Manning - Re: Continental ingredients in an IPA
15. Anita Megas - Re: Continental ingredients in an IPA
16. K.G. Schneider - Re: AHA-only section on the Forum
17. Brett Goldstock - Re: TechTalk Transition
18. Chris Mark - Re: TechTalk Transition
19. Dan Regan - Re: TechTalk Transition
20. Bill Baxter - Re: TechTalk Transition
21. Russ Lorber - Re: TechTalk Transition

8/11

. Drew Beechum - Request for Proposals - Designing a New TechTalk
2. Randy Schnose - Black Samba Imperial Porter
3. Ryan Thomas - How to Extract a Broken Quick Connect From a Ball Valve
4. David Houseman - Opened EMAIL
5. Kirk Bigger - AHA Forum
6. Ron McIlroy - 2010 FRESNO FAIR HOME BREW COMPETITION Call for Judges, Stewards & Entries!
7. Ryan Thomas - 4th Annual KROC Great American Beer Challenge
 
 
 
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8. Vance Barnes - Re: Genny Cream Ale
9. David Houseman - Re: Temp Changes for Kegged Brew
10. E.L. Hall - Re: Lime Leaves/Brewing Sugars; Temp Changes for Kegged Brew
11. David Houseman - Re: Adding Sweetness to a Tart Strawberry Wheat
12. Chris Frey - Re: TechTalk Transition
13. Tom Schmidlin - Re: TechTalk Transition
14. David Armstrong - Re: TechTalk Transition
15. Tim Gonzales - Re: TechTalk Transition
16. Matt Vardjan - Re: Techtalk Transition
17. Larry Elston - Re: TechTalk Transition
18. Stephen Ryan - Re: TechTalk Transition
19. Richard Lane - Re: TechTalk Transition

7/12

. Julia Herz - Beer Journalist Job Security?
2. Michael Huss - PBW/Star San
3. Bill Hoge - Peat Smoked Grain
4. Charlie Dempsey - LA House Bill 1484 Signed by Governor Jindal
5. John Peed - MCAB Update
 
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Replies
6. Trent Maier - Re: Vancouver Beer
7. James Shamas - Re: Two Questions
8. Ken Nelson - Re: Moth Balls
9. Anduin Suchan - Re: Moth Balls
10. Carl Saxer - Re: Moth Balls

5/17


. Ron Staab - Granite City Brew-off Judging
 
 
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2. David Allen - Re: Ancho Chili Ale
3. Denny Conn - Re: Cooler Mash Tun
4. Josh Pederson - Re: Cooler Mash Tun
5. Daniel Spiess - Re: Cooler Mash Tun
6. Ric Cunningham - Re: Cooler Mash Tun; Shortage of BJCP Tests
7. Joseph Klinck - Re: Shortage of BJCP Tests
8. David Houseman - Re: Shortage of BJCP Tests
9. John Beystehner - Re: Shortage of BJCP Tests
10. Emmet Maas - Re: Stockholm Beer & Whiskey Festival
11. Matt Raby - Re: Setting Chest Freezer Temperature
12. Brett Goldstock - Re: Setting Chest Freezer Temperature
13. David Kudrav - Re: Setting Chest Freezer Temperature

5/06

1. Gary Glass - Oklahoma Action Alert
2. Andrew Sparhawk - Keep An Eye Out for American Craft Beer Week POS
3. Clifton Colwell - Cooler Mash Tun
4. Derek Carmichael - Cicerone
5. Grant Miller - Breweries/Brewpubs in and Around New York City/Queens Area
6. Michael Fairbrother - Moonlight Meadery LLC Can Start Legal Production
7. Tom Ferguson - Shortage of BJCP Tests
8. Ryan Thompson-Jewell - NHC: Beer Bar in Rochester MN
9. Soren Nicholson - Stockholm Beer & Whiskey Festival
10. Tom Lieb - Setting Chest Freezer Temperature
11. Tom Ferguson - Diluting Fermented Beer
12. David Thomas - Ancho Chili Ale
13. Robert Smedley - American Craft Beer Overseas
14. Brian Mertz - 16th Annual Eight Seconds of Froth--May 22th, 2010
 
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15. John Scheri - Re: Brew Pubs in Honolulu
16. John Bell - Re: Beer on the Big Island
17. Floyd Morris - Re: Beer on the Big Island
18. Dion Hollenbeck - Re: Mini BOS Rules
19. Chris Krauss - Re: Road Trip from Arizona to Minnesota
20. Robert Sean Miller - Re: Storing Finished Beer in Corny Kegs
21. Tony McCrimmon - Re: Storing Finished Beer in Corny Kegs

5/04

1. Barry O'Meara - Brew Pubs in Honolulu
2. Rob Nebeling - Good Liquor Store in Orlando
3. Gustave Anderson - Brewpub in/around Eugene
4. Sonny Brittle - Brewing with Mint?
5. Paul Tatarka - Eisbock Priming
6. Scott Bouman - Storing Finished Beer in Corny Kegs
 
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7. Paul OrangeTree - Re: Brewing with Slate
8. Brad Nixon - Re: Brewpubs/Breweries near Disneyland
9. Grant Miller - Re: Brewpubs/Breweries near Disneyland
10. Edward Van Tassell - Re: Brewpubs/Breweries near Disneyland
11. Josh Allfree - Re: Orange Peel in Fermenter
12. Chris Banker - Re: Orange Peel in Fermenter
13. Robert Sean Miller - Re: Orange Peel in Fermenter
14. Joshua Weikert - Re: Mini BOS Rules
15. Jeffrey Koehler - Re: Mini BOS Rules
16. David Houseman - Re: Mini BOS Rules
17. Thomas Eagan - Re: Mini BOS Rules
 



 

Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Roger Burns on November 17, 2010, 12:53:37 pm
Was hoping we could get an update on a push-based, opt-in TT2 service.  Is there any chance it will be here in the next couple of months?  I don't begrudge people in the forum for liking it, and not liking TT.  I know forums and they are a great resource for what they are.  But they are NOT a replacement for TT and I am hoping that TT2 will soon fill in that hole in my daily routine that has been missing for a few months.  I can learn new things (in fact, that is what I do everyday), but for so many reasons, I like the email format better.  que sara sara.  In any case, is there a timeline?
rog
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: denny on November 17, 2010, 04:30:40 pm
We are still working with a provider to work out all the issues.  This is being done by a volunteer for the AHA, so it's on his schedule.  But it was a topic of discussion at our last GC meeting and is a high priority item for us.  I'd like to assure you that it will be done in the next couple months, but realistically all I can say is that we want it in place ASAP.
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: EHall on November 17, 2010, 09:25:43 pm
how much beer is it going to take to speed up the schedule?!  :-*
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: denny on November 17, 2010, 09:55:27 pm
I think a time warp would work better than beer!
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: Hokerer on November 18, 2010, 01:49:25 am
I think a time warp would work better than beer!

Here ya go...

(http://www.brinkleys.org/users/tsl/Files/TimeWarp002.jpg)
Title: Re: I miss TechTalk
Post by: punatic on November 18, 2010, 02:30:09 am
It's just a jump to the left... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6827163268088648679#)

But hey, be careful not to slip into that time sink,
or trip over those pesky stars!