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Title: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bendbrew on November 22, 2009, 05:59:11 PM
I plan on making Jamil Zainasheff's ESB-Programmer's Elbow.  He specifically mentions English Pale Malt Extract.  There has been much discussion on the web regarding this.  I have seen maris otter extract mentioned but find it difficult to locate.  Would Munton & Fison Light extract suffice?  Also with cans providing 3.3 lbs what are others doing to get to 8.6 lbs.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bo_gator on November 22, 2009, 11:06:07 PM
Williams home brew in California and online use to have it at least. They have one of the best extract selections out there also. 8)
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bendbrew on November 23, 2009, 02:11:33 AM
Williams no longer has maris otter extract and neither does More Beer.  I am guessing I will have to substitute it for another product; although I am waiting to hear if M&F Light Malt Extract is an equivalent. 
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: a10t2 on November 23, 2009, 02:25:37 AM
"English Pale" doesn't necessarily mean MO, at least in the AG world. An English extract might be a better option than an American one, but I'd bet it isn't critical.
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: beer_crafter on November 24, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
For an ESB, it's pretty critical to have a rich tasting base malt. 
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: a10t2 on November 24, 2009, 03:18:01 PM
I agree 100%. I was just pointed out that "English pale" != Maris Otter. And depending on the rest of the recipe it might not be absolutely critical even if it did.

bendbrew: I say if you can't find MO extract, get a quality English pale ale extract and call it a day.
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 24, 2009, 03:19:35 PM
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You must be a C programmer  ;D
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bendbrew on November 24, 2009, 03:32:27 PM
Thanks for the advice-I found one place in Connecticut that sells MO; however they're charging $16 for 3.5lbs.  What would be a good equivalent?  Munton's? 
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: neilrobinson on November 24, 2009, 04:36:10 PM
Try Rebel Brewer, out of Nashville, TN. That is where I get my extract from. I usually go with the dry malt but they also have liquid malt. Either way they offer some of the lower prices I found. Their website is set up to offer quite a bit of information on the products they sell. For instance, they tell you the alpha acid percentage of the batch they have on hand and what the range is for that type.
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: a10t2 on November 24, 2009, 05:26:08 PM
What would be a good equivalent?  Munton's? 

According to Ray Daniels, M&F is the least fermentable. Cooper's is the most fermentable, followed by Alexander's and John Bull in that order. So I guess I would say it depends on the attenuation you want. In an ESB, probably something on the high end.
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bendbrew on November 25, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
What I am aiming for is to be as close to Jamil's recipe.  I want to learn to nail down styles and streamline my process.  What I gather from Jamil is that a truly 'British' malt is essential for the style.
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bonjour on November 25, 2009, 09:36:15 PM
Jamil is giving you his best recipes and what in his experience is the best example of style for a competition.  Everything that you add to a beer, including the water, contributes to the flavor profile.  So if you want that English Biscuity character you need English malts.  American Pale malt extract is a 'good' substitute but it will change the flavor profile of the resulting beer.

Bottom line is that it is your choice since you are the brewer.  It will be a good beer either way.

Fred
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: dksucharda on November 29, 2009, 09:36:16 PM
Just logged on as a new member. oddly enough I am trying to make a sweet stout from the same book. my purpose of getting on today was to ask the question, " Where can I find English pale ale, LME." I have read through all the postings and apparently there is no specific answer, yet. hopefully someone will be able to make a reccomendation. Gold, Amber, pilsen, organic light? ?These are out of NOrthern brewer, would they work. Muttons has a light LME and it is made in the UK. Would this be better. Please help. My recipe is on p 167 in brewing classic stlyes by jamil. Thanks
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bendbrew on November 30, 2009, 10:02:08 PM
I saw that More Beer has an ESB kit-their extract is listed as Morris Otter.  I emailed to ask  if they sold that as stand alone product.  They said that they do and that there generic Pale Liquid Extract is Morris Otter.  Is anyone else aware of this?  Thanks, Bill
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bendbrew on November 30, 2009, 10:48:21 PM
Okay-they state that it is indeed Morris Otter!

Hello,

Thanks for the inquiry. It is indeed the malt that comes in the kit. If you have any questions or concerns please let me know.

Thanks,
Kevin Powell
Customer Service Representative
More Flavor! Inc.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:48:06 -0500,  wrote:

It that the Marris Otter?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Locating English Pale Malt Extract
Post by: bo_gator on December 06, 2009, 06:43:15 PM
Okay-they state that it is indeed Morris Otter!

Hello,

Thanks for the inquiry. It is indeed the malt that comes in the kit. If you have any questions or concerns please let me know.

Thanks,
Kevin Powell
Customer Service Representative
More Flavor! Inc.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:48:06 -0500,  wrote:

It that the Marris Otter?  Thanks!

That is some good information have ;D