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Title: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on October 25, 2010, 03:50:01 PM
Too much meat blahblah you should have fruit in your diet yada yada...

Kiwi.

If you eat it (raw), it contains an enzyme that breaks down meat.

So, if you eat this fruit, it helps you eat more meat.

....... pathetic.  All fruit has to offer in the argument that you should eat more fruit instead of just meat is that it allows you to eat more meat.  Truly a piteous food that cannot justify its own existence and must instead rely on the prospect of increased consumption of bacon and ribs.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 25, 2010, 03:56:34 PM
My mother always used to say...Bacon, Eggs and Sunshine is what keeps us healthy.

I tend to agree with her.  I think the key is to exercise moderation. Too much of any one thing is not good for you.
Fruit is good for you.... that's for sure. Vitamins and minerals.

Check this out.

http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/fruit-nutrition-chart.html
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on October 25, 2010, 04:21:13 PM
My mother always used to say...Bacon, Eggs and Sunshine is what keeps us healthy.

Evil.  Day.  Star.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 25, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
My mother always used to say...Bacon, Eggs and Sunshine is what keeps us healthy.

Evil.  Day.  Star.

That's right and the day star gives us Vitamin D.  ;)

YMMV.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 26, 2010, 01:14:11 AM
You are what you eat.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: EHall on October 26, 2010, 02:01:04 AM
You are what you eat.

That must make me a tasty piece of sunshine!
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: beerocd on October 26, 2010, 02:14:11 AM
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Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tschmidlin on October 26, 2010, 04:30:18 AM
Kiwi.

If you eat it (raw), it contains an enzyme that breaks down meat.
It's great for marinating meat, I use it in my bulgolgi.  Fruit is awesome.  Without fruit we wouldn't have such awesome things as Wisconsin Belgian Red, Rejewvenator, Raison d'Extra, I could go on.  Not to mention apple pie, blueberry jam, strawberry shortcake . . .

Don't be a hater  ;D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on October 26, 2010, 01:09:05 PM

Raison d'Extra,

I've had d'Etre.  :)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 26, 2010, 01:10:32 PM
I agree. Eat nothing but meat so you can grow up big and strong, just like Brock Lesnar.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tschmidlin on October 26, 2010, 04:22:01 PM

Raison d'Extra,

I've had d'Etre.  :)
That's a fine beer.  I prefer the d'Extra though.  :)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: euge on October 26, 2010, 05:45:27 PM
Fruit is good for you in moderation. It has the worst kind of sugar- fructose. However, I'd skip a soda to eat an apple or orange any day! BTW I don't drink soda, I figure beer is bad enough.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: maxieboy on October 26, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
I agree. Eat nothing but meat so you can grow up big and strong, just like Brock Lesnar.

Yup, and develop diverticulitis to the point of almost having to have part of your colon removed... :o
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 26, 2010, 07:10:09 PM
I agree. Eat nothing but meat so you can grow up big and strong, just like Brock Lesnar.

Yup, and develop diverticulitis to the point of almost having to have part of your colon removed... :o

Exactly. Diverticulitis builds character. Fruit and vegetables are for wimps.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: maxieboy on October 26, 2010, 07:23:15 PM
I agree. Eat nothing but meat so you can grow up big and strong, just like Brock Lesnar.

Yup, and develop diverticulitis to the point of almost having to have part of your colon removed... :o

Exactly. Diverticulitis builds character. Fruit and vegetables are for wimps.

Ha! Maybe that's why Lesnar lost, he's changed his diet to include veg... ;D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: maxieboy on October 26, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
Diverticulitis builds character. Fruit and vegetables are for wimps.

If having character entails wearing a colostomy bag, I'll take a pass.   ;)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 26, 2010, 09:28:54 PM
Diverticulitis builds character. Fruit and vegetables are for wimps.

If having character entails wearing a colostomy bag, I'll take a pass.   ;)

"Daddy, what's that smell?"
"Character, Son. Character."
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 26, 2010, 10:53:50 PM
LMAO^^^

I couldn't live without fruit, we go through piles of it. Gets me going in the morning. Fructose is one of the healthiest readily digestible sugars. Its instant energy, A couple of pieces of fruit in the morning gives me a lot of energy, which I need to have cause I have to be pretty physically active in the AM.   

The body definitely needs fat and protein, our brains are mostly fat. But to much meat is definitely bad for you, im sure its bad for me. The average American male has 5 lbs of undigested red meat stuck in their bowel by the time they are 50. We evolved past eating only meat.

Good healthy balance and variety is the way to go.

We eat meat here once or twice a week, all other meals are vegetarian. Healthy and economical.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: nicneufeld on October 26, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
The average American male has 5 lbs of undigested red meat stuck in their bowel by the time they are 50.

The average American is about 150lbs of undigested red meat!  And prefers to stay undigested!
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 26, 2010, 11:40:29 PM
Cool, at about 180 I am above average. :D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: maxieboy on October 26, 2010, 11:42:15 PM
The average American male has 5 lbs of undigested red meat stuck in their bowel by the time they are 50.

The average American is about 150lbs of undigested red meat!  And prefers to stay undigested!

No, no. 150 lbs. of long pork, the other, other white meat.  :D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: beerocd on October 27, 2010, 12:13:37 AM
The average American male has 5 lbs of undigested red meat stuck in their bowel by the time they are 50.

I call B.S.  >:(
Cite your sources or retract that statement.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: nicneufeld on October 27, 2010, 12:17:46 AM
Sounds like somebody's been reading about the master cleanse or one of its ilk!

Speaking of BS, those kind of fad purge diets were on the show of the same name by Penn and Teller....they paid a guy a few hundred bucks to endure some hippy colon vacuum machine.  Hehehehehe.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 27, 2010, 12:30:48 AM
I hereby decree Cap's new nickname to be "Meatsack."
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 27, 2010, 12:31:51 AM
Meat sack works, as proof I suppose I could show you hospital bills if I could find them. Had lots troubles and a LOT of pain that led to the discovery of what was essentially undigested meat trapped in various sections of my bowel.

Too much meat and not nearly enough roughage.

I will spare the details, it was pretty gruesome. Guess I shouldn't have said the average male, might not be correct. I had major digestion troubles among other things. Now I eat a lot less meat and more fruit and veg.

I feel and look much better now and I am 15 years older.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: euge on October 27, 2010, 01:06:10 AM
I beg to differ about fructose. Again because it is so readily absorbed by the body that it causes a massive insulin spike. It is not a low glycimic food. Just because it comes in a fruit package doesn't automatically make it one of the healthiest.  Sucrose is marginally better.

Individuals need more complex carbohydrates on a consistent basis than they need fructose.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: beerocd on October 27, 2010, 01:25:36 AM
I beg to differ about fructose. Again because it is so readily absorbed by the body that it causes a massive insulin spike. It is not a low glycimic food. Just because it comes in a fruit package doesn't automatically make it one of the healthiest.  Sucrose is marginally better.

Individuals need more complex carbohydrates on a consistent basis than they need fructose.

So, I'm on a beer board and I'm being told fruit is bad for me.
Watermelon has a GI of 72 and chocolate cake 38; therefore chocolate cake is better for me.
I think a big part of the equation is missing, don't you agree?

This thread is all screwy anyway - cap claims to have had enough MEAT up in him to host a barbeque.  
:P  (need puking smiley)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 27, 2010, 01:33:56 AM
Meat sack works, as proof I suppose I could show you hospital bills if I could find them. Had lots troubles and a LOT of pain that led to the discovery of what was essentially undigested meat trapped in various sections of my bowel. 

Yeesh. Seriously, that's messed up.

Glad it's better, though!
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 27, 2010, 01:39:04 AM
I should make a somewhat on-topic contribution here, I suppose.

I hate raw fruit. Never eat the stuff.

Well, except for banannas and, I supose technically, tomatoes. Something about the combination of cold and acidity just sends shooting pain through my teeth.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: euge on October 27, 2010, 02:14:51 AM
It's about variety.  Humans are omnivores.  We can just about handle anything in moderation. Even chocolate cake.  ;)

Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: euge on October 27, 2010, 05:56:40 AM
I beg to differ about fructose. Again because it is so readily absorbed by the body that it causes a massive insulin spike. It is not a low glycimic food. Just because it comes in a fruit package doesn't automatically make it one of the healthiest.  Sucrose is marginally better.

Individuals need more complex carbohydrates on a consistent basis than they need fructose.

So, I'm on a beer board and I'm being told fruit is bad for me.
Watermelon has a GI of 72 and chocolate cake 38; therefore chocolate cake is better for me.
I think a big part of the equation is missing, don't you agree?

This thread is all screwy anyway - cap claims to have had enough MEAT up in him to host a barbeque.  
:P  (need puking smiley)

Actually, I was wrong about fruit not being low glycimic. I apologize.



Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 27, 2010, 11:15:48 AM
I had what was pretty much a blocked colon but the "5lbs of meat by by 50" actually is an urban myth that start with a line in the movie Beverly Hills Cop.  ;D

Ever had a colonoscopy? What a blast!

Meat sack come from the movie MIB.

Fruit is bad for you?  You guys are funny. That is even harder to believe than my stuffed bowel. I know some fruit is just water and fiber with very little vitamins like ice berg lettuce.   

So we should avoid fruit to be healthier?

You guys are gonna end up with leaky gut syndrome.  :)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tubercle on October 27, 2010, 01:44:43 PM
Individuals need more complex carbohydrates on a consistent basis than they need fructose.

 That's why I drink beer on a consistent basis. To get that healthy dose of residual complex carbs that wouldn't ferment. I think I need to raise my mash temp a few degrees ;D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 27, 2010, 01:47:22 PM
It never fails...bluefoxiciy's threads are always entertaining and draw a big crowd.  ;)

I'm having a banana for breakfast. Love nanners.  8)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: morticaixavier on October 27, 2010, 10:27:39 PM
...We evolved past eating only meat...

'We' never ate only, or even primarily meat. While there was a related species of hominid that looked a lot like our ancestors that was nearly carnivorous, our ancestors have been omnivorous for ever. Look at chimps. In fact evolutionarily speaking we ate mostly plant foods cause they are easier to catch.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
...We evolved past eating only meat...

'We' never ate only, or even primarily meat. While there was a related species of hominid that looked a lot like our ancestors that was nearly carnivorous, our ancestors have been omnivorous for ever. Look at chimps. In fact evolutionarily speaking we ate mostly plant foods cause they are easier to catch.
As the joke goes, "what do you mean 'we' kemosabe?"

The arctic peoples eat (or ate) a diet that is mostly meat/fat.  I don't know the percentages or anything, but it's hard to imagine growing corn on the tundra.  :)

That doesn't change your point, but it's an exception.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 27, 2010, 11:57:14 PM
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. What about the ice age that wasnt exactly one year long.

I am a welder not an anthropologist but in my imagination early humans and other hominids were opportunists and no doubt before cooking most vegetables may have seemed or may have actually been inedible without proper preparation. .

I am from the side of the debate that most early humans were carnivores. Once they mastered the spear there was not much more reason to forage for leaves or bugs.

But for sure we have evolved past that. I have heard people say that you can live on meat alone, "it has everything your body needs" Im sure you could live on meat alone.Im just not sure how long.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 28, 2010, 12:37:37 AM
If you eat a variety of foods within and among groups – meat, dairy, fruit, vegetables, and grains – you don't have to worry about nutritional details. As long as calories are adequate and the foods are relatively unprocessed, the different kinds of foods complement each other's nutrient contents and provide everything that is needed in reasonable amounts and proportions.

From the vegetarian point of view.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/blogs/healthy-food/healthy-vegan-diets-47020801


Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: maxieboy on October 28, 2010, 12:54:40 AM
Ha! Check that out.

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Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 28, 2010, 12:58:55 AM
 ;D

Looks like a little glitch in the system.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 28, 2010, 01:29:24 AM
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. What about the ice age that wasnt exactly one year long.

I am a welder not an anthropologist but in my imagination early humans and other hominids were opportunists and no doubt before cooking most vegetables may have seemed or may have actually been inedible without proper preparation. .

I am from the side of the debate that most early humans were carnivores. Once they mastered the spear there was not much more reason to forage for leaves or bugs.

But for sure we have evolved past that. I have heard people say that you can live on meat alone, "it has everything your body needs" Im sure you could live on meat alone.Im just not sure how long.
One of the most interesting things about early hominid history is the symbiotic relationship between our diet and our brains. I read once that our brains were able to develop by leaps and bounds due to the high fat content of the diet that our early ancestors enjoyed, and the bigger our brains got, the better we became at finding the fat.

Of course, it was our omnivorous ability and blatent opportunism that got us through the rough patches, but in general it was having the right teeth and the right brains in the right place at the right time that eventually landed a couple of naked pink monkeys on the moon.

As for how long you can survive on meat, the anthropologic answer is "long enough." Which is to say that if I were a member of a primitive tribe, I'd have one foot in the grave right now - if I was very lucky.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tschmidlin on October 28, 2010, 02:20:07 AM
;D

Looks like a little glitch in the system.
It's not a bug, it's a feature  ;)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tschmidlin on October 28, 2010, 02:22:53 AM
As for how long you can survive on meat, the anthropologic answer is "long enough."
Yeah, 20 years old is old enough to have a few kids and raise them a bit before you die.  If you hit 25 you might be a grandfather back then, and by 30 for sure.  I'm guessing, I'm not an anthropologist either :)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 28, 2010, 10:46:48 PM
(http://thistimethisspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bellyfat.png)

Evolution of the beer drinker.

Here is an interesting article. Not sure I agree with all of it though.

http://www.coconutstudio.com/skull&bonesx.htm

(http://www.coconutstudio.com/Brain%20Development_files/evolve.jpg)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: morticaixavier on October 29, 2010, 03:43:17 PM
As the joke goes, "what do you mean 'we' kemosabe?"

The arctic peoples eat (or ate) a diet that is mostly meat/fat.  I don't know the percentages or anything, but it's hard to imagine growing corn on the tundra.  :)

That doesn't change your point, but it's an exception.

True, there are exceptions. and the arctic peoples are a good one although that is a marginal envoroment and the diet consists of a lot of fish. as someone else pointed out, also not the route to a long life. And it is true that during the ice age 'our' (read central northern hemisphere folks) ate a lot more meat we still had access to a lot of grains and fruit/veg. they weren't living ON the ice. There had to be plant food in abundance otherwise the critters wouldn't have been so darn big. 

I say if you enjoy meat, are willing to take the life of another mammal or an insect or whatever (I kill TONS of plants, or just eat their children) and are willing to deal with the potential health risks. Go for it, eat them critters.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: narvin on October 29, 2010, 09:24:55 PM
The average American male has 5 lbs of undigested red meat stuck in their bowel by the time they are 50.

I know you're being facetious, but people who say this seriously are people who use pseudo-science to justify their bizarre obsession with their anus   ;)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 30, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
I would prefer to think that I have a healthy obsession with my anus. Which is to say that it is not an obsession at all, more of a conscientiousness.

Plus I loved Beverly Hills Cop.

 :o
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 30, 2010, 01:45:42 AM
This thread is definitely pathetic.  ;)

“You remind me of a girlfriend in Detroit... but you look more like her stepfather!”

Curly Howard
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: beerocd on October 30, 2010, 02:51:23 AM

“You remind me of a girlfriend in Detroit...

Your girlfriend was obsessed with her anus?
Yeah, come to think of it, this thread should probably be deleted.
It can only go downhill from here.  ;D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on October 30, 2010, 02:54:53 AM

“You remind me of a girlfriend in Detroit...

Your girlfriend was obsessed with her anus?
Yeah, come to think of it, this thread should probably be deleted.
It can only go downhill from here.  ;D


Umm yea...we need brakes now.  ::)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: beerocd on October 30, 2010, 02:57:44 AM


Umm yea...we need brakes now.  ::)

Throw out the anchor!!!
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: euge on October 30, 2010, 03:10:43 AM
Yeah it degenerated fairly quickly.  :P
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: rabid_dingo on October 30, 2010, 03:23:31 AM
Yeah it degenerated fairly quickly.  :P

Most BFI Posts do...
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tschmidlin on October 30, 2010, 05:07:31 AM
I like fruit.

Without fruit, no hot sauce.

Without fruit, no pork with applesauce.

Without fruit, no mango chutney.

Without fruit, no ketchup.  Without ketchup, no bbq sauce.  Except for the ones made without it . . .

I like fruit.

Are we back on topic yet? :)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: euge on October 30, 2010, 05:59:10 AM
Since the subject is Fruit... pathetic how about this one:

I'm pretty sure there is a whole swathe of people in this country- generations even, that don't even know what a good peach tastes like. When I was a kid, and up into the 80's you'd better have a roll of paper towels handy when you bit into a ripe peach. Oh, you can get them year-round almost, but they are insipid and hard.

It's gripe of mine about fruit. Apples, bananas, limes have stayed pretty good while others have declined in quality while maintaining an exceptional appearance and availability.

Occasionally, I'll get one or two peaches that are ok, but then they're only half-ripe and will get moldy if you don't eat them within a day or two.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: punatic on October 30, 2010, 06:45:37 AM
...I'm pretty sure there is a whole swathe of people in this country- generations even, that don't even know what a good peach tastes like. When I was a kid, and up into the 80's you'd better have a roll of paper towels handy when you bit into a ripe peach. Oh, you can get them year-round almost, but they are insipid and hard...

Methinks back in the day you were getting Georgia peaches; now you are getting California peaches.  Growing up in Florida I have the same memories of the sweeeet juicy Georgia peaches you describe.  There is a lot to be said for growing peaches in that red Georgia clay.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 30, 2010, 12:01:47 PM
Anus.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: punatic on October 30, 2010, 03:10:46 PM
Sphincter
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: maxieboy on October 30, 2010, 07:05:09 PM
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Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: punatic on October 30, 2010, 07:11:09 PM
Meat sack come from the movie MIB.

There was an episode of Star Trek - The Next Generation where alien microbes called humans, "Ugly bags of mostly water."

Guess they didn't know about those 5 lbs. of undigested meat, ay?
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 30, 2010, 07:43:07 PM
Ha, we were talking about that line the other day. Though we were saying "Measly bags of mostly water"
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 30, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
It's gripe of mine about fruit. Apples, bananas, limes have stayed pretty good while others have declined in quality while maintaining an exceptional appearance and availability.

Like I said, I really don't eat fruit, but a buddy of mine from NZ used to complain bitterly about the apples in America. Said they made him break out in hives.

Anyway... Rectum.

Since we're past the point of rescue now anyway.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on October 30, 2010, 08:18:20 PM
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Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: tubercle on October 30, 2010, 11:48:22 PM
...I'm pretty sure there is a whole swathe of people in this country- generations even, that don't even know what a good peach tastes like. When I was a kid, and up into the 80's you'd better have a roll of paper towels handy when you bit into a ripe peach. Oh, you can get them year-round almost, but they are insipid and hard...

Methinks back in the day you were getting Georgia peaches; now you are getting California peaches.  Growing up in Florida I have the same memories of the sweeeet juicy Georgia peaches you describe.  There is a lot to be said for growing peaches in that red Georgia clay.

 Love them Georgia peaches, makes me feel right at home - J.J. Cale (Call Me the Breeze)

 I think Mr. Cale was talking about another variety though ;D
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: punatic on October 31, 2010, 12:22:47 AM
"I really love your peaches
Want to shake your tree"

Steve Miller Band - The Joker

Don't think he was singin' bout da fruit either...


Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: MrNate on October 31, 2010, 01:26:29 AM
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BFI just learned how to powerslide his derails.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on November 01, 2010, 04:19:26 PM
Fruit is good for you in moderation. It has the worst kind of sugar- fructose.

Fructose is one of the healthiest readily digestible sugars. Its instant energy

Ignoring the consistently demonstrated fact that cap is always right, we have two startlingly diverging assertions here.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on November 01, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
It never fails...bluefoxiciy's threads are always entertaining and draw a big crowd.  ;)

I try.  Honest questions are boring... and get one-dimensional answers.  Anything that sparks a long conversation is both entertaining and bound to give a lot more information.

It's like the game of Go.  I can relate the game of Go to everything in life; everything I can't... can be related to Algebra.  The fuzzy stuff is a combination of both I guess.  This is why I tend to claim that all civilized men should study the game of Go; Geometry; and Philosophy.

One can relate the game of Go to asking questions as well.  In Go, you start with an empty board; you play one stone per turn, developing out the vague territory bounds through weak influence.  Eventually, stronger cohesion occurs as stones take more defined shape.  Around the bored, specific life and death situations appear.  Asking a specific question is like placing a shape on the board and asking about the proper play to create or destroy life (black to live, white to kill, etc):  this will teach you things and enhance your grasp of the game, but you really need to play Go to get good at Go.

The study of life and death gives you an understanding of life and death problems; the playing of Go proper teaches you to recognize, create, and prevent life.  It is as such when exploring a hole in a topic you understand:  a more open play draws in more information, building an entire structure instead of yielding a small and specific component.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on November 01, 2010, 04:31:41 PM
It never fails...bluefoxiciy's threads are always entertaining and draw a big crowd.  ;)

I try.  Honest questions are boring... and get one-dimensional answers.  Anything that sparks a long conversation is both entertaining and bound to give a lot more information.

It's like the game of Go.  I can relate the game of Go to everything in life; everything I can't... can be related to Algebra.  The fuzzy stuff is a combination of both I guess.  This is why I tend to claim that all civilized men should study the game of Go; Geometry; and Philosophy.

One can relate the game of Go to asking questions as well.  In Go, you start with an empty board; you play one stone per turn, developing out the vague territory bounds through weak influence.  Eventually, stronger cohesion occurs as stones take more defined shape.  Around the bored, specific life and death situations appear.  Asking a specific question is like placing a shape on the board and asking about the proper play to create or destroy life (black to live, white to kill, etc):  this will teach you things and enhance your grasp of the game, but you really need to play Go to get good at Go.

The study of life and death gives you an understanding of life and death problems; the playing of Go proper teaches you to recognize, create, and prevent life.  It is as such when exploring a hole in a topic you understand:  a more open play draws in more information, building an entire structure instead of yielding a small and specific component.

blue...you are quite the philosopher.

Are you studying or does it just come naturally to you.  :-\
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: punatic on November 01, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
I try.  Honest questions are boring...

...building an entire structure instead of yielding a small and specific component.

You need more fruit in your diet!
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on November 01, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
blue...you are quite the philosopher.

Are you studying or does it just come naturally to you.  :-\

It's both, really.  I know a lot of things but my mind is ... atomic ... often I just say I can speak the language of the universe/existence/gods/whatever.  In some impossible twist, I can think about stuff without language-- which, if you know anything about what language actually does, makes no sense.

The result is I make decisions based on things I'm fully aware of but can't explain or put into words:  I "just know" things, but I can't SAY what I know.  I struggle to explain stuff, or understand things.  This in part makes me an internalized philosopher, like Morihei Ueshiba or Buddha.  I sit around and profess some divinely bestowed "understanding" of things.

This in turn leads me to an unhealthy hunger for information.  This is possible to do beyond the constraints of your health; I've learned to compensate.  At a point I was learning multiple languages at once:  I've retained the codepages and minimal vocabulary, and can order my food in German at the market.  The "Headache" people claim to get is a combination of a sensation of pressure inside the skull (not going out or in, just THERE) and the dire confusion that makes it impossible to relate to reality in any sense except what you've most recently burned your brain out with if you put that much crap in at once.  My frequent relation of reality to Go is more of a philosophical one, and deliberate; but there have been times when I made connections that don't ACTUALLY make sense, they're just craziness.

I've been getting better at this.

To the point, I now target useful knowledge.  My disdain for most common aesthetics here (i.e. room decorations, gaudy frilly crap curtains and bed sheets, "Designer" anything with leopard print etc) also included a distaste for the painfully bland.  This I could not explain until I read a book called Shibumi, which I read because (imagine that) it had a picture of Go on the cover; the concept of Shibumi and Shibui actually matched what I had developed internally as an understanding of beauty.  The book itself contains... a lot of philosophy I was able to assimilate pretty well from the story.  I've also read some stuff about Aikido and its founder, Morihei Ueshiba; a lot of this is telling me things I already knew, but didn't know how to express.  Sometimes I stumble across something that I feel is correct, but hadn't thought of myself before.

So yeah.  I have huge communications issues and I'm crazy.  Go figure.  Anyone worth listening to is probably patently insane, though.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on November 01, 2010, 05:00:45 PM
Wow blue..that's some heavy stuff.  :-\

Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on November 01, 2010, 05:45:19 PM
Wow blue..that's some heavy stuff.  :-\


Are you the Bluesman from the Epiphone forums btw?
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluesman on November 01, 2010, 06:33:50 PM
Wow blue..that's some heavy stuff.  :-\


Are you the Bluesman from the Epiphone forums btw?

Me?...Nah, the closest I've come to an Epiphone is a guiter I used to play.  8)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: capozzoli on November 01, 2010, 09:12:39 PM
I dont think Im always right. I just hate being told Im wrong when I know I am right.  ;D

I dont know? Maybe fruit and the sugar in fruit is bad for you. Sure makes me feel good though.

Blue, what are you reading Emanuel Kant?

Am I worth listening to?  ::)
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on November 02, 2010, 01:41:27 PM
Blue, what are you reading Emanuel Kant?

Trevanian (Shibumi), Orwell (1984, How the Poor Die), the like.

Some pure entertainment like Chadbourn (Age of Misrule etc) and Donaldson (The Gap Cycle, Chronicles of Thomas Covenant).  Occasionally there's gems in there.  One character in Age of Misrule cites that anyone who seeks power should not be allowed to have it; while in Shibumi it's said that in American politics anyone who can get elected absolutely should not be allowed to.  Age of Misrule constantly centers around the idea that unearned knowledge is worthless (if we just give you the answers, you won't develop); Covenant at one point says unearned knowledge is dangerous.  Enlightening.

Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: morticaixavier on November 02, 2010, 03:03:57 PM
...One character in Age of Misrule cites that anyone who seeks power should not be allowed to have it; while in Shibumi it's said that in American politics anyone who can get elected absolutely should not be allowed to.  Age of Misrule constantly centers around the idea that unearned knowledge is worthless (if we just give you the answers, you won't develop); Covenant at one point says unearned knowledge is dangerous.  Enlightening....

Blue have you checked out Robert Anton Wilson? The illuminatus trilogy is a good one for digging gems from.
Title: Re: Fruit... pathetic
Post by: bluefoxicy on November 05, 2010, 04:09:11 PM

Blue have you checked out Robert Anton Wilson? The illuminatus trilogy is a good one for digging gems from.

Shibumi was actually well outside my general genre.  It was dense with humor and philosophy which I found pleasant; the story wasn't particularly palatable for me.

I'm more into fantasy.  Magic and dragons and that sort of thing.  Although The Gap Cycle is the best thing I've veer read, and it's sci-fi.