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Title: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 08:42:31 PM
The "four loco" alcopop (alcohol + pop) thread got me thinking about the awesome variety of booze that's available today.  Though I don't drink soda and would never think of trying a "four loco," I'm not surprised or upset that kids drink them.  On the complete other side of the spectrum though I have noticed a few younger folks drinking cask ale at one of my local brewpubs, which pleasantly, surprises me.  So basically I'm curious what's available in your area and do you see young drinkers consuming cask ale?
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: boulderbrewer on October 27, 2010, 08:47:30 PM
Nothing a my local brew pub. One a couple hours away from me has had them but not that frequent. Maybe one or two times a year.

Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 27, 2010, 09:15:58 PM
What's your definition of young?  At this point I'm not so young any more, but wouldn't call myself old...

Anyway, there's one or two places I frequent (or more accurately used to frequent prior to the children) that serve cask ale.

I wouldn't say there's a crowd drinking it, but it seems to be popular enough for them to keep it on offer.

The age group at these places is not typically college kids out drinking.  More late 20's on up.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: ryang on October 27, 2010, 09:19:47 PM
My wife and I are both 23.  She loves cask ale.  I'm not as huge of a fan, but enjoy a few tastes of hers.  I'll normally get something else on tap.  We never get the same kind of beer though.  We always try each others.  Get more tasting in that way.

Lots of cask ales around here though.  But with Denver's beer scene, it's not that hard.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: blatz on October 27, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
I've never seen nor tasted a cask ale.  I continue to look out for them though.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 09:40:58 PM
There I places I go that always have a cask on, others that are occasional, some that never do.  Whether I get any or not depends on what it is.  My wife loves cask beers though, she usually goes for one.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 09:56:23 PM
What's your definition of young?  At this point I'm not so young any more, but wouldn't call myself old...

Anyway, there's one or two places I frequent (or more accurately used to frequent prior to the children) that serve cask ale.

I wouldn't say there's a crowd drinking it, but it seems to be popular enough for them to keep it on offer.

The age group at these places is not typically college kids out drinking.  More late 20's on up.

Well I'm only 34 but for the sake of this thread, lets say young equates to people of legal drinking age (21-25). We have one place that serves up a batch once a month or so; they're mostly serving the late 20's and up crowd.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 09:59:35 PM
My wife and I are both 23.  She loves cask ale.  I'm not as huge of a fan, but enjoy a few tastes of hers.  I'll normally get something else on tap.  We never get the same kind of beer though.  We always try each others.  Get more tasting in that way.

Lots of cask ales around here though.  But with Denver's beer scene, it's not that hard.

I'm on the western slope but you'd think, from the beer scene, that we were from different worlds.
+1 "We never get the same kind of beer though"
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: morticaixavier on October 27, 2010, 10:06:24 PM
don't get out to the pubs as much as I used to. and apparently I am not young anymore (34) but when i see a cask ale I will usually give it a go.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 10:11:54 PM
I guess, I should have mentioned, this weeks brewing tv episode got me thinking about cask ale.  The pub in madison(?) that had ten casks (pins, firkins,etc; not the point of this thread) and that appeared to be one of many brewpubs in the area.  My assumption is that, their drinking culture may lead to more (good) homebrewers than areas where alcopops rule.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 10:19:31 PM
I guess, I should have mentioned, this weeks brewing tv episode got me thinking about cask ale.  The pub in madison(?) that had ten casks (pins, firkins,etc; not the point of this thread) and that appeared to be one of many brewpubs in the area.  My assumption is that, their drinking culture may lead to more (good) homebrewers than areas where alcopops rule.
I'm not so sure.  It might get them interested in good beer and maybe brewing their own, but we have lots of good beer here and I know some people who have quit brewing because it is easier (and sometimes better and cheaper) to drop off a corny at a brewery and get it filled than it is to make it yourself.  There was one place that would fill a corny for $25, although they're now up to $45.  Some guys just buy a 1/2 bbl and push it into 3 cornies, then return the shell.

If the only reason you brew is to make better beer because you can't get it where you live, you'll quit as soon as the good beer becomes available.  But if you love brewing your own you'll keep doing it.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: stlaleman on October 27, 2010, 10:23:04 PM
St Louis has plenty of cask ale, which I drink happily. Schlafly puts out quite a few casks in there different offerings,.
Love them.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 10:37:27 PM
If the only reason you brew is to make better beer because you can't get it where you live, you'll quit as soon as the good beer becomes available.  But if you love brewing your own you'll keep doing it.
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Could be.  That might require another poll; do you brew because you like good beer or is it because you like to brew (i.e. make things)?  I disagree though, most great brewpubs will tell you just how important their relationship with the local homebrewers is.  I will say that nowdays cost is a huge factor in the life of a homebrewer.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 10:43:53 PM
I disagree though, most great brewpubs will tell you just how important their relationship with the local homebrewers is.  I will say that nowdays cost is a huge factor in the life of a homebrewer.
If you're disagreeing, you'll have to point out where I said that brewpubs don't care about homebrewers  ;)

Cost is certainly a factor, but if you spend 3 hours and $30 making 2 cases of beer and have to wait a few weeks for it, but you can buy 2 cases of better beer than you make for less than $60 and have it right now, then you might opt for the store bought stuff.  Unless of course, you just like brewing.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 10:50:57 PM
If you're disagreeing, you'll have to point out where I said that brewpubs don't care about homebrewers  ;)
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I'm just offering an example, the best brewpubs IMO have a great relationship with their local homebrewers. Therefore, the flip side is that homebrewers didn't give up homebrewing when great beer became available.  Hope that makes sense.  :)
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
I've never seen nor tasted a cask ale.  I continue to look out for them though.

Don't feel bad, I think most people have had the same experience.  Hopefully, you'll find a properly served hand pulled pint soon.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: tschmidlin on October 27, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
I'm just offering an example, the best brewpubs IMO have a great relationship with their local homebrewers. Therefore, the flip side is that homebrewers didn't give up homebrewing when great beer became available.  Hope that makes sense.  :)

Ok, I get it.  :) I'm not saying everyone will give up homebrewing obviously, we've got lots around here.  But maybe not as many as if we had bad beer.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 27, 2010, 11:20:56 PM

Ok, I get it.  :) I'm not saying everyone will give up homebrewing obviously, we've got lots around here.  But maybe not as many as if we had bad beer.

 Maybe I live in an anomaly; we currently have 141k people in our county.
1 - Good brewpub (occasional cask ale)
2- Terrible brewpubs (one may come back around)
1- future brewpub (unkown brewers) which may open around spring
0- good beer bars
0- homebrew clubs (seriously not one) (may change if i can find a couple more interested brewers)
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: mikeypedersen on October 27, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
I've never seen nor tasted a cask ale.  I continue to look out for them though.
Blatz, that's a bummer man. Hit me up if you ever make it to Colorado. Avery, Lefthand, Boulder Beer all have the good old beer engine and a ton of other places have Firkin Fridays where they tap a firkin right around 5 pm.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jeffy on October 27, 2010, 11:52:50 PM
I love cask ales, but they'e not too common here in Fl.  My local brewpub usually has its IPA on cask and there are a couple of good beer bars that have a beer engine on, but it's not an everyday thing.  Not like Portland or Denver.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: tschmidlin on October 28, 2010, 02:18:00 AM

Ok, I get it.  :) I'm not saying everyone will give up homebrewing obviously, we've got lots around here.  But maybe not as many as if we had bad beer.

 Maybe I live in an anomaly; we currently have 141k people in our county.
1 - Good brewpub (occasional cask ale)
2- Terrible brewpubs (one may come back around)
1- future brewpub (unkown brewers) which may open around spring
0- good beer bars
0- homebrew clubs (seriously not one) (may change if i can find a couple more interested brewers)

Check with the brewpubs and see if they know of any other homebrewers in the area and see if the good one would be willing to host a meeting.  They will probably even let you put up some flyers.  Something along the lines of - "Do you brew your own beer?  Do you want to learn?  Come to a meeting of the Fruita Lager and Ale Brewers . . . "

You might only get one or two people at first, but it will grow eventually.

PS - I just named your club FLAB  ;D
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 28, 2010, 02:32:55 AM

PS - I just named your club FLAB  ;D

I like it
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: beerocd on October 28, 2010, 04:20:25 AM
Cask ale just does nothing for me. Love beer, love wine, some wood in wine is OK, doesn't belong in beer IMO.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: euge on October 28, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Cask ale just does nothing for me. Love beer, love wine, some wood in wine is OK, doesn't belong in beer IMO.

I've never had it. Does it really give wood flavor or are the casks line with something? I understand that cask ale's character changes over the course of time- even in the same day. Sounds like homebrew! ;)

On the other subject there isn't many brewpubs here. At most ten. Butt load of bars and beer joints. What sucks is the distances involved and I don't like to drive even after one beer. There's a HB scene here though.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: tschmidlin on October 28, 2010, 05:52:31 AM
Many cask ales are actually served out of stainless casks.  Don't confuse cask beer with barrel aged beer.   ;)

Cask beer is served via gravity or hand pump with no artificial carbonation, although some places will put a blanket of CO2 on the beer to prevent it from oxidizing too quickly.

Barrel aged beer typically picks up some character from the barrel.

The two can overlap, but one is not necessarily the other. So barrel aged beer can be served as a cask or not, and cask ale can be aged in an oak barrel or not.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jeffy on October 28, 2010, 11:18:52 AM

PS - I just named your club FLAB  ;D

I like it
Too late.  Ft. Lauderdale Area Brewers already has that one.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: bluesman on October 28, 2010, 11:30:56 AM
The Dogfish Head Brewpub near me had DFH 75 on cask this year. I really liked it.
I don't think you will find it outside of brewpubs.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: majorvices on October 28, 2010, 11:57:19 AM
I've never seen nor tasted a cask ale.  I continue to look out for them though.

Wow! I have to admit that surprises me paul. You need to come up and visit sometime. I have a beer engine and am in the process of acquiring a few firkins (not that you need them, you can homebrew them easily enough with cornies) and there are a few pubs in Nashville that put some nice beers on cask. An AIPA on cask is simply awesome!

While I am not about restricting peoples' freedoms, Alcopop makes me question that judgment. I think the crowd drinking them the most is the under 21 crowd and I think it is also marketed toward them. And I see the empty cans everywhere when I am out running on the side of the road, so the DUI crowd is having their fill with them as well. I have no respect for people who make that crap.

I voted "yes" on the poll but I have to drive to Nashville to have a "consistent" offering. As a local brewer I will be working hard to change that.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: beerocd on October 28, 2010, 12:21:51 PM
Many cask ales are actually served out of stainless casks.  Don't confuse cask beer with barrel aged beer.   ;)

Flat beer is OK  ;) You're right, it's the bourbon barrel stuff I HATE.
But I've still not had GOOD cask beer. Tried a few, never really WOWed me so I tend to stay away from it.
Just like anything else - the sample you draw from is what shapes your perception.
I can't say there's a good example around here - so I quit trying.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: majorvices on October 28, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
Many cask ales are actually served out of stainless casks.  Don't confuse cask beer with barrel aged beer.   ;)

Flat beer is OK  ;) You're right, it's the bourbon barrel stuff I HATE.
But I've still not had GOOD cask beer. Tried a few, never really WOWed me so I tend to stay away from it.
Just like anything else - the sample you draw from is what shapes your perception.
I can't say there's a good example around here - so I quit trying.

Do you dislike draught Guiness (on tap or in the Draught Can)? Basically the beer on "nitro" is meant to emulate beer hand pulled from a cask. Its all about the mouthfeel. If you do not like draught Guiness you probably won;t like Cask Ale. If you like Draught Guiness you will probably love a properly pulled pint!
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: alikocho on October 28, 2010, 12:33:15 PM
I live in the UK. Cask beer is everywhere. Some of it is truly outstanding, while there is bad beer in casks too.

CAMRA continues to hold the line that real ale may only be served without the use of CO2, via gravity or hand pump.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on October 28, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
I voted that I consume cask beer regularly because whenever I encounter it, I'll almost always have a cask beer over other offerings.  There are some really good brewpubs in the Twin Cities that offer cask beer regularly.  When I lived in Nashville (1997-2005), I would regularly get Boscos or Blackstone cask beer when it was available.

As a side note, cask beer doesn't impart a woody flavor -- it's not like the beer is barrel aged.  It's typically very fresh beer that's naturally carbonated in the cask and then hand pulled via a beer engine.  Cask beer is typically served in the mid-50s and has lower carbonation.  Also, some beer engines are equipped with "sparklers" which is a fitting that goes on the tip of the faucet that infuses the beer with atmosphere as its drawn, thus creating that neat cascading bubble effect.

It's only 7:40 a.m. and now I'm wanting a cask beer.   ;D
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: corkybstewart on October 28, 2010, 02:00:44 PM
I've just run across cask ale once at a chain brewpub in Ft. Collins last year and was pretty unimpressed.  But I doubt that was really decent stuff to begin with so I'll look for it and try it again somewhere else before I make up my mind.

Besides a brewpub 45 miles away there are no options around here.  The previous brewer loved homebrewers, taught homebrewing classes and sold us ingredients.  The current brewer never homebrewed so we're just a pain in his ass and he won't sell anything to us.  Really sucks that after 10 years I have to find another cheap source of malt.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: BrewingRover on October 28, 2010, 06:39:48 PM
I couldn't really answer the poll. There's cask beer in the Chicago area but I don't get to consume it regularly >:( It's mostly in pubs on the North Side and I live in a southern 'burb. A pint pulled off a cask is a wonderful thing and I always go for that if it's an option. I've even gotten my wife interested. Her favorite beer on our last trip to England was a pint of Fuller's Porter from a cask.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 28, 2010, 06:48:29 PM
I couldn't really answer the poll. There's cask beer in the Chicago area but I don't get to consume it regularly >:( It's mostly in pubs on the North Side and I live in a southern 'burb. A pint pulled off a cask is a wonderful thing and I always go for that if it's an option. I've even gotten my wife interested. Her favorite beer on our last trip to England was a pint of Fuller's Porter from a cask.

Put your vote towards the "regular consumption" because it's in your general vicinity and you're not opposed to drinking it.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: alikocho on October 28, 2010, 06:49:05 PM
Her favorite beer on our last trip to England was a pint of Fuller's Porter from a cask.

Lucky woman. That's only available on cask for a very short window a couple of times every year. It is a great beer though, and I have a great clone recipe for it.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 28, 2010, 06:55:43 PM
I live in the UK. Cask beer is everywhere. Some of it is truly outstanding, while there is bad beer in casks too.

CAMRA continues to hold the line that real ale may only be served without the use of CO2, via gravity or hand pump.

I'd love the opportunity to pick and choose between good and bad cask ale.  It's going to be a while before the US is ready to live up to CAMRA.
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jaybeerman on October 28, 2010, 07:12:12 PM

It's only 7:40 a.m. and now I'm wanting a cask beer.   ;D

Welcome to my life  ;D
Title: Re: Cask Ale vs Alcopop
Post by: jeffy on October 28, 2010, 07:32:36 PM
I live in the UK. Cask beer is everywhere. Some of it is truly outstanding, while there is bad beer in casks too.

CAMRA continues to hold the line that real ale may only be served without the use of CO2, via gravity or hand pump.

I'd love the opportunity to pick and choose between good and bad cask ale.  It's going to be a while before the US is ready to live up to CAMRA.
I've made a couple of driving trips through England, Scotland and Wales with the then-current editions of CAMRA's The Good Beer Guide.  You can basically plan the whole trip around cask ales and have a great time.  Even my wife, who doesn't drink beer, enjoyed the pubs we found.  Chances are good that if they have fresh cask ale they also pay attention to the food.
You can quickly get used to beer that's not fizzy and ice cold.
One of the best beers I ever had was Fullers London Pride on cask somewhere near the brewery.
Now I'm getting thirsty.