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Title: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: beveragebob on November 02, 2010, 01:47:13 AM
Hello,

As the craft specialty beer segment has taken storm over bland American mega-swill. You guys are poised to succeed if you bring back the "Original Recipes" that the "Real" Ballantines Brewery pre 1975 and before the original brewery was "drawn and quartered" If you could do that, using their methods to extract hop oils you guys would truly be in the "League of Kings" of beers and brewing.


Respectfully Submitted by
A humble beer aficionado,

Bob G.

I sent it here: http://ballantineale.com/footer/contact-us/

The subject that does not show here is Ballantine IPA and Burton Ale

If we all bugged them maybe just maybe........ ;)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: euge on November 02, 2010, 06:54:26 AM
I drank a lot of PBR but never anything pre 1978. I laud your courageous email to the company. May they see your wisdom and profit by it!

Cheers!
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: punatic on November 02, 2010, 08:13:13 AM
I remember watching baseball games on TV with my dad, when I was a kid, that were sponsored by Ballantine...

"Take a ring, and then another ring, and then another ring, now you've got three rings!
Ballantine! and now it's premium!  
It's a very special class of beer!"

1950s/60s kitsch for sure.

My 11 year old son and I sing it when we're driving in the truck where no one can hear us.  We love it because it is sooo stupid!

Be glad this post has no volume!

 WWII Pilots & Ballantine Beer  (http://picasaweb.google.com/7thfighter/IwoJima?authkey=Gv1sRgCIW06db_6oth&feat=email#slideshow/5299170465613782498)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: senorpantalones on November 03, 2010, 06:08:18 AM
I hope they take your letter seriously but I dont think they will. Pabst beer is s***ty and they get away with selling swill because they market it to hipster kids. Pabst "brewing" company doesnt even make their own beer. Its all contract brewed for them
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: euge on November 03, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
I hope they take your letter seriously but I dont think they will. Pabst beer is s***ty and they get away with selling swill because they market it to hipster kids. Pabst "brewing" company doesnt even make their own beer. Its all contract brewed for them

Yup. They brew it here too. Drank loads of the cheap lager in the past. Shiver.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: punatic on November 03, 2010, 06:47:19 AM
Pabst bought the Primo Beer name too.  Primo is all that one would expect from Pabst.  It's for people who want to be seen with a can of "Hawaiian" beer in their hand.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: tumarkin on November 03, 2010, 11:02:11 AM
Would they take it more seriously if they started getting more letters to that effect? That's one of the strengths of an Association. If we leverage this forum & the AHA , possibly Zymurgy (with an article about homebrewing Ballantines), to get lots of people to write letters it might get their attention. Anyone want to spearhead that sort of effort?
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: beveragebob on November 03, 2010, 05:07:14 PM
Right on T, that's what I am trying to do. They have all the recipes and methods tucked away in their vaults. They have the money and the means of they thought it would be a viable income stream which, imho I think it would. Also Pabst handed the Ballantine XXX off to SAB/Miller to brew it for them. Hmm, APA(African Pale Ale).....a new category!!! 
:D
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: Mikey on November 03, 2010, 06:16:54 PM
I keep trying to shoot that moving smiley face, but I can't hit it.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: denny on November 03, 2010, 06:19:40 PM
They have all the recipes and methods tucked away in their vaults.

Are you certain about that, Bob?  Pabst has changed hands quite a bit.  They may have that info around, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: BrewingRover on November 03, 2010, 11:35:19 PM
moving smiley

Ha, I've been wondering what that moving text tag was good for ;)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: beveragebob on November 04, 2010, 06:44:12 PM
Well DC, I certainly hope SOMEONE might still have it locked away somewhere!
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: denny on November 04, 2010, 08:24:54 PM
We can hope, but I ain't holdin' my breath!   ;D
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: beveragebob on November 05, 2010, 01:37:07 AM
Remember Jay B.... it's American Oak and you HAVE to stay away from it for a whole year!  ::)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: capozzoli on November 05, 2010, 01:50:06 AM




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: punatic on November 05, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
The blue ribbon in Pabst Blue Ribbon was the award Pabst won at the World's Columbia Expostion 1893 aka the Chicago World's Fair
(see The Devil in the White City (http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/devilinthewhitecity/home.html) by Erik Larson)

 PBR - TYDTS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnR1P022qUk&feature=related)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: beveragebob on November 05, 2010, 08:21:03 PM
It's really sad that we have to associate the legend of Ballantine with Pabst :'(
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: chumley on November 09, 2010, 09:28:21 PM
What's this??? PBR bashing???? Shame on you all! >:(
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: denny on November 09, 2010, 09:55:28 PM
It just evens out the strength of your defense of them, Chumley! 
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: ipaguy on November 11, 2010, 01:53:56 AM
I drank quite a bit of PBR as a youngster, and found it to be my favorite variety of 'bland American mega-swill'.  Someone should really think about getting trademark protection for that phrase  ;)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: punatic on November 11, 2010, 02:59:12 AM
Pabst owns Schlitz now too (via the Stroh buy-out).

I used to drink Schlitz dark in my early days, but then I found out that Schlitz is the German word for skunk piss.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 11, 2010, 09:17:21 PM
I had to see what Schlitz translated to, and it is "slot".

Stroh translates to "straw", BTW.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: Kit B on November 11, 2010, 10:57:23 PM
I'll refrain from trying to translate Schmidt.
 ;)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 11, 2010, 11:07:42 PM
I'll refrain from trying to translate Schmidt.
 ;)

So you don't know any Germans?   Schmidt is the German equivalent of Smith.  Someone who makes something, usually in metal working.  You know what a blacksmith is, I am sure.

In German, knife is messer and smith is schmidt.  So in German someone who makes knives and swords was a Messerschmidt.  One of the big centers of armour and sword making in midieval times in Germany was Augsberg.  Augsberg was bombed to rubble at the end of WWII because the was a local firm that made fighter planes named after the founder, Willie Messerschmidt.
 


Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: tschmidlin on November 11, 2010, 11:22:19 PM
I'll refrain from trying to translate Schmidt.
 ;)

So you don't know any Germans?   Schmidt is the German equivalent of Smith.  Someone who makes something, usually in metal working.  You know what a blacksmith is, I am sure.

In German, knife is messer and smith is schmidt.  So in German someone who makes knives and swords was a Messerschmidt.  One of the big centers of armour and sword making in midieval times in Germany was Augsberg.  Augsberg was bombed to rubble at the end of WWII because the was a local firm that made fighter planes named after the founder, Willie Messerschmidt.
Yeah, from what I've been told Schmidlin is equivalent, just sort of local to Basel, Switzerland.  When I flew into Basel a dozen years ago or so, the customs agent looked at my passport said "Schmidlin, eh?" and proceeded to talk to me in a string of Schweizerdeutsch I couldn't really understand with my high school Hochdeutsch.  My Grandfather was born in/near Basel.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: capozzoli on November 12, 2010, 01:16:32 AM
I'll refrain from trying to translate Schmidt.
 ;)

So you don't know any Germans?   Schmidt is the German equivalent of Smith.  Someone who makes something, usually in metal working.  You know what a blacksmith is, I am sure.

In German, knife is messer and smith is schmidt.  So in German someone who makes knives and swords was a Messerschmidt.  One of the big centers of armour and sword making in midieval times in Germany was Augsberg.  Augsberg was bombed to rubble at the end of WWII because the was a local firm that made fighter planes named after the founder, Willie Messerschmidt.

Yep, and smith for blacksmith (I fancy myself a blacksmith) comes from the word smite meaning to strike. Like the smith does with his hammer. Blacksmith is for iron as it was considered black. Then there are (were) copper-smiths, tinsmiths, silversmiths,  goldsmiths, and even more lately in history whitesmiths  for aluminum and stainless. The more malleable alloys and grades of aluminum can be forged cold, although not a lot of people are doing it.  

And tom, Ill bet your name comes somehow from the German word for smelt. Ill bet your ancestors worked foundries. 

I love this stuff, how names come from trades, Baker, Carpenter, Brewer, which brings us back to the subject.  ::)


 



Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: ipaguy on November 12, 2010, 01:20:52 AM
Pabst owns Schlitz now too (via the Stroh buy-out).

I used to drink Schlitz dark in my early days, but then I found out that Schlitz is the German word for skunk piss.

The only beer I've had that truly tasted like skunk urine was sun-struck Heineken (nice green bottles, a-holes).  I've not had a PBR in about 5 yr., but when I did I liked it a lot better than most mass-produced American lagers.   Bud, in particular, is a lot like making love in a canoe (f****ing close to water).  
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: ipaguy on November 12, 2010, 01:39:24 AM
I'll refrain from trying to translate Schmidt.
 ;)

So you don't know any Germans?   Schmidt is the German equivalent of Smith.  Someone who makes something, usually in metal working.  You know what a blacksmith is, I am sure.

In German, knife is messer and smith is schmidt.  So in German someone who makes knives and swords was a Messerschmidt.  One of the big centers of armour and sword making in midieval times in Germany was Augsberg.  Augsberg was bombed to rubble at the end of WWII because the was a local firm that made fighter planes named after the founder, Willie Messerschmidt.

Yep, and smith for blacksmith (I fancy myself a blacksmith) comes from the word smite meaning to strike. Like the smith does with his hammer. Blacksmith is for iron as it was considered black. Then there are (were) copper-smiths, tinsmiths, silversmiths,  goldsmiths, and even more lately in history whitesmiths  for aluminum and stainless. The more malleable alloys and grades of aluminum can be forged cold, although not a lot of people are doing it.  

And tom, Ill bet your name comes somehow from the German word for smelt. Ill bet your ancestors worked foundries. 

I love this stuff, how names come from trades, Baker, Carpenter, Brewer, which brings us back to the subject.  ::)

One of the strangest is 'Fletcher'.  This is the guy who glues the feathers onto arrows (not a big job market currently).
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 12, 2010, 02:27:15 AM
To get back on the Pabst Ballantines subject, the name Cooper would apply, as they had some 800 barrel wooden tanks to take care of back in the day.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: punatic on November 12, 2010, 05:40:01 AM
Pabst owns Schlitz now too (via the Stroh buy-out).

I used to drink Schlitz dark in my early days, but then I found out that Schlitz is the German word for skunk piss.

OK all youse brainiacs... What IS the German word for skunk piss then, ay?
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: tschmidlin on November 12, 2010, 05:56:14 AM
And tom, Ill bet your name comes somehow from the German word for smelt. Ill bet your ancestors worked foundries. 
Actually, I just looked up Schmidlin on ancestry.com
"South German: from a diminutive of Middle High German smit ‘blacksmith’, probably denoting a blacksmith who was the son of a blacksmith."

So there you go.

OK all youse brainiacs... What IS the German word for skunk piss then, ay?
Stinktierpiss  ;)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: punatic on November 12, 2010, 06:10:39 AM
OK all youse brainiacs... What IS the German word for skunk piss then, ay?
Stinktierpiss  ;)

Spoken like a true South-Middle-High German!
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: tschmidlin on November 12, 2010, 06:27:19 AM
OK all youse brainiacs... What IS the German word for skunk piss then, ay?
Stinktierpiss  ;)

Spoken like a true South-Middle-High German!
Danke ;)
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: gmwren on November 12, 2010, 12:53:56 PM
Pabst may be trying the Gen X or new Yuppie thing, but they have made a showing at the GABF awards. Since 1990, six golds, three silvers, and a bronze in American Lager, Premium Lager and Light Lager. This does not include all the other beers associated under their beer flag. Medals in four straight years from 2004 - 2007 and the crowd always gives them a roar when announced during the Saturday awards ceremony. I guess there are quite a few of us that have a dark history with PBR in the way-back-when.

Here's what they say about their flagship brew:

"Pabst Blue Ribbon
American Style Premium Lager
Pabst Blue Ribbon is a premium lager brew crafted with a hefty infusion of 6-row barley in its ingredient package, a carefully balanced carbohydrate profile from corn syrup, and a unique combination of Pacific domestic hops blended with an imported Yugoslavian variety.  Fermented with a pure culture of yeast and aged at high gravity, PBR is cellared and finished to the smooth, robust likeness of a fine Pilsner.

144 calories

12.8 grams of carbohydrates"
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: gordonstrong on November 12, 2010, 03:10:22 PM
I like PBR.  Not all the time, but it or a good cream ale (Little Kings is made nearby) is good on a hot day, or after mowing the lawn.  Try it.  Put your judge hat on, and think about it compared to other examples.  I'd pick those any time over competing BMC products.  Boeuf.
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: Kit B on November 12, 2010, 03:25:07 PM
So you don't know any Germans?   Schmidt is the German equivalent of Smith.  Someone who makes something, usually in metal working.  You know what a blacksmith is, I am sure.
In German, knife is messer and smith is schmidt.  So in German someone who makes knives and swords was a Messerschmidt...

Yes...Thank you...A close friend is a guy named Schmitz & I'm married to a Swedish/German goddess, so I was well aware.
Maybe I need to be less sutble & more funny with my humorous outbursts...Sorry.

Edit
Or...Maybe you guys aren't aware of "The brew that grew in the great Northwest"...http://schmidtbeer.com/
Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: bluesman on November 12, 2010, 03:26:25 PM
I like PBR.  Not all the time, but it or a good cream ale (Little Kings is made nearby) is good on a hot day, or after mowing the lawn.  Try it.  Put your judge hat on, and think about it compared to other examples.  I'd pick those any time over competing BMC products.  Boeuf.

+1

PBR is good on occasion especially while cutting the lawn.  I prefer it over all the other BMC's.

It would be interesting to learn the results from a Category 1B competition including only the commercial examples from that category,
judged by some higher ranking BJCP judges.

PBR
MHL
Bud
Balitka 3
Kirin
Grain Belt
MG
LB
Coors
Fosters

A Zymurgy article in the making.  ;D

Title: Re: I just sent this to Pabst Brewing Co
Post by: hamiltont on November 12, 2010, 09:37:51 PM

Edit
Or...Maybe you guys aren't aware of "The brew that grew in the great Northwest"...http://schmidtbeer.com/

Ahhh, Animal Beer! Been there, done that. I'd give PBR the win by a nose though...  ;)  Cheers!!