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Title: Storing Grain?
Post by: neilrobinson on November 24, 2009, 04:08:53 PM
I am making the leap into all grain brewing. The problem I have is that in order for me to do that I would need to store grain. I live to far away from a homebrew shop to make a trip whenever I need grain, but close enough to make a trip two or three times a year. Getting the grain shipped would mean quite a large shipping bill and would be cheaper for me just to drive to pick it up. So does anyone have a similar problem that could offer advice on storing large amounts of grain will little spoilage as possible?


Thank you,
Neil Robinson
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 24, 2009, 04:17:55 PM
When you buy grain in 50/55 lb bags they already have moisture barrier.
Make sure that mice will not get to it and you should be O.K.
I have about 150 lb of base grain in my basement in original bags and it seams to be working fine.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: akr71 on November 24, 2009, 05:26:53 PM
I definitely have the same problem.  The closest brew shop that sells grain is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They've sent my order by regular mail before and its arrived the next day, but $25 of grain ends up costing closer to $40 that way.  When I get the chance to drive that way, I pick up enough grain for a couple batches.

It really puts a damper on spontaneous brewing, but unfortunatley, thats the way it going to remain until I get myself a grain mill.  At that point I will start buying in bulk and storing in airtight storage bins.  At the moment, I store the milled grain that I do have in the freezer.

Get yourself a mill and you won't regret buying in bulk!
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: babalu87 on November 24, 2009, 05:31:17 PM
55 gallon plastic drum with a clamp on lid
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: bluesman on November 24, 2009, 05:33:07 PM
I use large Rubbermaid totes for storing my grain. Keeps it dry and also keeps the mice out. Plastic trash cans work weel too.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Hokerer on November 24, 2009, 05:36:10 PM
I use large Rubbermaid totes for storing my grain. Keeps it dry and also keeps the mice out. Plastic trash cans work weel too.

Yep, Rubbermaid totes here too.  Work great
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: hamiltont on November 24, 2009, 05:38:12 PM
I too live far from a LHBS and was presented with the same problem.  I buy bulk grain & mill it when it's time to brew. I store the grain in plastic bags with as much air removed as possible and then in plastic pails from the local bakery. I must have 30+ pails now.  They come in handy for a lot of brewing related needs.  I keep the grain in the basement where the temp doesn't fluctuate more than a few degrees.  Being sealed in the buckets the humidity hasn't presented any problems either. I have grain over 2 years old that's still fine to use. YMMV though.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: wilypig on November 24, 2009, 06:10:08 PM
I have a 15 gallon tote that seals well. It holds 1 full sack of grain as well as up to 7 one pound bags of specialty grains. No mice, no moisture. I sometimes have the grain stored for up to 6 months between fill ups. Holding for up to a year is ok as well.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: slimsparty on November 24, 2009, 09:12:44 PM
Quote
I use large Rubbermaid totes for storing my grain. Keeps it dry and also keeps the mice out. Plastic trash cans work weel too.

+1000 -for some reason I bought a mill after batch 1.  I think it is because the original LHBS I used didn't offer to grind-I now know they would.  Plus I am a good old boy from Michigan that tries to do stuff himself.

So yes, now, with beer smith, my two tubs of grain, and my mill, I can create nearly anything.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on November 24, 2009, 09:46:37 PM
I too live far from a LHBS and was presented with the same problem.  I buy bulk grain & mill it when it's time to brew. I store the grain in plastic bags with as much air removed as possible and then in plastic pails from the local bakery. I must have 30+ pails now.  They come in handy for a lot of brewing related needs.  I keep the grain in the basement where the temp doesn't fluctuate more than a few degrees.  Being sealed in the buckets the humidity hasn't presented any problems either. I have grain over 2 years old that's still fine to use. YMMV though.

+1, well, except I don't have a basement.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: BarleynYeast on November 25, 2009, 06:58:13 AM
I have been using storage container for dry pet foods for over 3 years and they work great. They have an airtight, spin on lid that will keep out all pests and are also made of food grade, high-impact resistant plastic. The large one will hold a 55 lb bag of grain. Unfortunately they are a little pricey, but made to last.
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753798&keepsr=0&clickid=prod_cs (http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2753798&keepsr=0&clickid=prod_cs)
For smaller quantities try http://morebeer.com/view_product/6467/102153/1_Gallon_Grain_Storage_Jars (http://morebeer.com/view_product/6467/102153/1_Gallon_Grain_Storage_Jars) they will fit about 5 lbs of specialty grains.

Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: BrewArk on November 25, 2009, 05:12:52 PM
Buckets? Check with your local bakery. They get icing in 4-5 gallon buckets that have a rubber seal in the lid. Just wash it out good & leave it open to void the icing smell. It eventually goes away.  Walmart sells them for a buck.  Just call the bakery & ask them to save you some.

I store my grains in 5 gallon pails (food grade - that I get at work).  Usually two pails per sack of grain.  They stack well & I put a label on the side w/the contents.

-Cheers :)
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: mtbrewer on November 25, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
I use a 22 gallon tote for base malts, holds two fifty pound sacks.
For specialty grains I use a15 gallon tote, you can stuff a lot of grain in there.
My concern is more than mice, my female Lab/Chesapeake would gladly eat all my grain for me. >:(
I keep the base malt in the original bags, specialty in plastic bags with air removed.
I have had grain for up to a year with no ill effects. I keep it inside, so not much temp. fluctuation.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: granitebaybrewer on November 25, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
For smaller quantities of specialty grains I use the FoodSaver Vacuum Canisters.  The larger sized ones will hold 3 - 4 lbs. of grains (guessing, never actually weighed them out).  The system is a bit pricey new; however, I've see them used quite often at yard sales for almost nothing (if you live in an area that has yard sales).  I use pet food containers (like BarleynYeast suggested for my bulk grains.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on November 26, 2009, 06:33:55 PM
sorry for the semi-thread jack... :-[

I have the opportunity to get in on a group purchase of grain, which will cut my shipping costs down by $20 per sack from the regular one at a time rate I usually purchase at.

I don't have the room at my house for a year's worth of grain, but my father-in-law has a huge garage.  Spoke with him and he'd be happy to keep the grain for me, given that I already supply him with endless kegs of the blonde ale he likes.

Question:  The garage stays at 70-80df for most of the year, and it does get humid from time to time (we live in florida) though its not too bad at his place.  Is it worth it to do the buy, or is it too much of a risk that the grain will go bad that I'll wind up throwing out ruined grain?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 26, 2009, 09:15:29 PM
I think your biggest enemy is moisture.
So good moisture barrier is first line of defense.
Ideal temp for storing grain is somewhere between 60-70F.
So 70-80F is not too far off.
And finally if you put it into the garage make sure that rodents will not get to it.

Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: ne-brewer on November 26, 2009, 11:53:19 PM
For base grains, I use Homer Buckets and pails that wine grapes come in. They have good seals and I purge them with CO2 before closing them up.

For specialty grains, I use a vacume sealer.

During the winter I keep everything in the heated garge (55*F) and then in the basement (60*F) for the summer.

Seems to work okay so far....
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on November 27, 2009, 01:51:50 AM
I think your biggest enemy is moisture.
So good moisture barrier is first line of defense.
Ideal temp for storing grain is somewhere between 60-70F.
So 70-80F is not too far off.
And finally if you put it into the garage make sure that rodents will not get to it.



ok, so do you think the moisture barrier you mention that is already in the bags is enough?

don't really need to go spend more $$ on rubbermaid totes, and 10 bags of grain is about 25 buckets, on top of the 20 I already have, so that's a bit much too.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: lonnie mac on November 27, 2009, 02:09:49 AM
For the last several years, I have kept my sacks of malt in my malt/hop deep freezer... A deep freezer at about -15 or so it gets down too... I find that this works very well for me.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: drf255 on November 27, 2009, 11:54:45 AM
Rodents are my biggest concern.

I use an old metal garbage can with a plastic drum liner in it.  I leave it in my shed, and have never had a problem.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 27, 2009, 07:16:20 PM
ok, so do you think the moisture barrier you mention that is already in the bags is enough?
Yes I think this is sufficient moisture barrier as long as you can keep rodents away.

How many bags are you planning on buying?
One 30 Gal garbage can is about $10-$12. You probably could put 2 bags in one can.
Would there be any issue to keep the bags in middle of the living room?
It could be your temporally coffee table  ;D
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on November 27, 2009, 09:09:36 PM
ok, so do you think the moisture barrier you mention that is already in the bags is enough?
Yes I think this is sufficient moisture barrier as long as you can keep rodents away.

How many bags are you planning on buying?
One 30 Gal garbage can is about $10-$12. You probably could put 2 bags in one can.
Would there be any issue to keep the bags in middle of the living room?
It could be your temporally coffee table  ;D

I think my wife might have an issue with the redecorating - I was lucky enough to put a bar/kegerator in the family/dining room area - I think a new "coffee table" might be the proverbial straw.

I am planning on purchasing ~10 sacks of grain, or enough to last me one year or so.

I had an idea to get these:

http://www.amazon.com/Honey-Can-Do-VAC-01299-Storage-Vacuum-Packs-2-Pack/dp/B001F51ATO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1259355761&sr=8-5

I would think that these would provide an extra barrier of protection against moisture/humidity.

At $5 a pop, the ~$20 in shipping savings still makes it worthwhile and if we do another bulk grain buy next year, it will start to really payoff.

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 27, 2009, 09:33:33 PM
How many bags you think you could fit in there?
They say that dimensions are:
Quote
Extra large packs are 27-1/2 inches wide and 40 inches tall
http://www.imserba.com/store/B001F51ATO/Honey_Can_Do_VAC_01299_Extra_Large_Storage_Vacuum_Packs__2_Pack.html

One 55 lb bag is about 24" X 18" X 12" (I mean you can stretch it then it will not be that fat).
You might be able to fit two bags in there.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: neilrobinson on November 30, 2009, 03:51:32 PM
I think I am going to go down to my local farmer's CO-OP and see what they have to offer in ways of storage. I live in a humid part of the country, so I definitely will need a moisture barrier. The rodent problem I will definitely have to think about as well. I have seen those dog food storage bins before at the CO-OP and they seem like that might work best for me right now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: meegs on December 01, 2009, 03:35:03 AM
I haven't started to buy in bulk yet, but I plan to. I've been researching this exact question for a while. I'm leaning towards a container like this: http://www.amazon.com/IRIS-Airtight-Storage-Container-Quart/dp/B00186RTWW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I think these will work great, they come in various sizes and I like the fact that they are on casters.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: central_wa_brewing on December 01, 2009, 05:37:38 AM
Yep, I simply buy 5 gallon buckets w/ lids at HD.  Each bucket holds right at 25lbs.  It works great with nil moisture and does not invite rodents.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: rabid_dingo on December 01, 2009, 06:08:37 AM
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh233/Rabid_Dingo/DSC00033-1.jpg)

I use the Rubbermade Roughnecks. one18gal holds a whole 55# bag. But they cannot handle
the weight of more than 75# stacked on top. So two stacked roughnecks will hold 100#.
I recently bought some of the 10 gallon sized ones. they hold 25# for split bag orders...
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: MDixon on December 01, 2009, 12:27:17 PM
There really are only three things that ruin grain and one of them doesn't count.
1 - rodents - simple solution, put in a rodent proof container
2 - moisture - simple solution, put in a container which will not allow moisture in
3 - bugs - bug larvae are in the grain and will hatch under certain conditions. The only true way to avoid those conditions is to freeze the grain for a day or more and most of us cannot pull that off.

With that in mind, here is my method which has worked for more than 10 years. I split the sack into individual gallon ziplocks holding 4lb each. Then I put the sacks either back into the sack the grain came in, especially if it is a woven sack with a liner sack, or into a large rubbermaid tub. Generally what happens when the bugs come out is they infest all the grain they are in contact with. Since the grain is in zips at most they infect 4lb unless ALL the zips hatch bugs. Keep in mind you can still brew with buggy grain, it will just freak you out a bit. Bugs tend not to hatch in colder temps so the cooler the grain is kept, the less likely it is to have bugs. I keep mine under the house in the crawlspace. Some mice and rat killer baits thrown around keep any mice away ;)

I keep my caramel malts in 5 gallon buckets. As someone else pointed out, they will hold 25lb with ease.

HTH
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: halenrush on December 03, 2009, 12:06:00 AM
I use the Vittles Vault.  A bit pricey, around $45, but they stack and look pretty.  And they have a gamma seal. In my fantasy home brew store that I open I envision using a bunch of these.  

(http://www.petco.com/Assets/product_images/7/769397143607C.jpg)
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: k4df4l on December 03, 2009, 12:45:10 AM
For base grains, I use Homer Buckets and pails that wine grapes come in.

Yep, I simply buy 5 gallon buckets w/ lids at HD.  Each bucket holds right at 25lbs.  It works great with nil moisture and does not invite rodents.

Likewise...2 pails per sack, cheap and easy.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: stout_fan on December 03, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
For base grains, I use Homer Buckets and pails that wine grapes come in.

Yep, I simply buy 5 gallon buckets w/ lids at HD.  Each bucket holds right at 25lbs.  It works great with nil moisture and does not invite rodents.

Likewise...2 pails per sack, cheap and easy.
If you add a gamma seal lid to the bucket it makes life a bunch easier.
http://www.gamma2.net/new/GSL.html (http://www.gamma2.net/new/GSL.html)
(http://www.gamma2.net/images/GSL-GroupL.jpg)
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: karlh on December 03, 2009, 01:03:41 PM
In my first year of brewing I made the plunge and bought a mill for about $50... I wasn't sure that I would ever recover from the sticker shock.  It turned out to be one of my best brewing investments, and mills have (more than) doubled in price since then.  It's a great investment, and my LHBS charges $0.20/lb to mill grain, which would cost around $70 bucks a year for me.  

On storage I have used 5 gallon HDPE buckets to store grain, as well as rubbermaid tubs, and a steel 30 gallon barrel (which is overkill, but I got it for 5 bucks). I haven't had problems with mice or bugs in any of these, but have had rodents chew through the HDPE bucket we were keeping birdseed in when it was left outside (probably squirrels).  If you had a "problem" with mice, they might get through a rubbermaid storage container.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: jstobaugh on December 06, 2009, 04:23:08 AM
 I use Corney kegs. I freeze the grain for  a day or two and then put it in the kegs. I can get 25 pounds in a key. I have grain 4 years old that still makes great beer. 
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on December 07, 2009, 12:39:15 AM
I use Corney kegs. I freeze the grain for  a day or two and then put it in the kegs. I can get 25 pounds in a key. I have grain 4 years old that still makes great beer. 
Interesting idea if you have enough kegs.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: a10t2 on December 07, 2009, 01:13:48 AM
3 - bugs - bug larvae are in the grain and will hatch under certain conditions. The only true way to avoid those conditions is to freeze the grain for a day or more and most of us cannot pull that off.

Where are you getting your grain?! I've never seen any bugs or larvae in mine. Is it really that common?
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: pdbreen on December 07, 2009, 01:33:14 AM
petstore.com sells the 50lb/13gal vittles vault for ~$37 with free shipping over $75.  Each vault holds just about a 55lb bag.  The remainder goes in a food saver bag (or into the daily mash).
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: nyakavt on December 07, 2009, 02:48:18 PM
When you buy grain in 50/55 lb bags they already have moisture barrier.
Make sure that mice will not get to it and you should be O.K.
I have about 150 lb of base grain in my basement in original bags and it seams to be working fine.

Not every grain supplier includes a moisture barrier bag.  Every imported malt that I've ordered does indeed include one (Best, Thomas Fawcett, Franco-Belges).  But the two domestic malts I've purchased, Breiss and Rahr, do not have a moisture barrier bag.  Just the fiber weave of the sack (or paper, in Breiss' case). 

A large garbage bag is sufficent for a moisture barrier, just tie the top tightly.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: MDixon on December 07, 2009, 03:03:46 PM

Where are you getting your grain?! I've never seen any bugs or larvae in mine. Is it really that common?

Yes it is that common. Pretty much all grain has bug larvae in it. The question is whether or not the conditions will cause them to hatch. It's rare that they will hatch, but when they do you certainly know it. I knew one brewery that got in sacks and within a few days they all went buggy. I believe they returned them to the maltster. In the old texts it talks about opening the doors where the malt is stored during the winter to control pests.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on December 07, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
MDixon

do you think the pressure of vacuum sealing will be enough to prevent hatching?
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: stout_fan on December 08, 2009, 01:33:09 PM
...In the old texts it talks about opening the doors where the malt is stored during the winter to control pests.

Yep, freezing the buggers would work. I've also been told a CO2 purge of an airtight container also works.

Let me tell ya about the time I made a tap handle out of a piece of  Cocobolo. I got a piece that was half sapwood. The tree fills in the sapwood holes caused by boring worms when it transforms it to heartwood. It looked real cool (white and black sides) on my keggereator. A few months after I had turned and finished it I started finding dust under the handle. While looking at the handle and pondering the source, a boring worm started to emerge from the sapwood. They're about 1/16" in diameter.

Into a ziplock bag it went and spent the next 6 months in my self defrost freezer. It has been sitting for 6 months inside the same ziplock bag at room temp. No more dust!
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: MDixon on December 08, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
MDixon

do you think the pressure of vacuum sealing will be enough to prevent hatching?

I don't know if bugs need air to hatch, but it stands to reason that they would. Certainly their hatching is temp dependent, but I believe several conditions have to be right for them to come out. If one ever does have a hatching, they are some pretty ugly black bugs which emerge. My guess is insect larvae do not survive the malting process and are somehow introduced/cross-contaminated after the malt is kilned.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: wesmccann on December 09, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
After reading all of the replies, I still have one concern - if your grain is being purchased after already sitting in a humid climate such as the Gulf Coast, how do you dry out the grain enough to store it long-term in a Rubbermaid container or bucket?  The house is kept below 70 (don't ask), so temp is not a problem, but humidity is over 80% here nearly all year round.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on December 09, 2009, 03:16:20 PM
After reading all of the replies, I still have one concern - if your grain is being purchased after already sitting in a humid climate such as the Gulf Coast, how do you dry out the grain enough to store it long-term in a Rubbermaid container or bucket?  The house is kept below 70 (don't ask), so temp is not a problem, but humidity is over 80% here nearly all year round.

well, I live in South Florida, so my humidity is easily as bad as yours.  I generally keep around 150-200lbs of grain inside the house(74-76df), under my stairs, at any given time, stored in bakery buckets and some Homer buckets, and a few dog food bins.  I have never, ever had a problem, even using some specialty grains over a year after purchase.

the reason I was posting all the questions above is for the 500lbs of grain that is coming today, and storing that in my in-laws garage...
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: beerocd on December 09, 2009, 03:22:38 PM
After reading all of the replies, I still have one concern - if your grain is being purchased after already sitting in a humid climate such as the Gulf Coast, how do you dry out the grain enough to store it long-term in a Rubbermaid container or bucket?  The house is kept below 70 (don't ask), so temp is not a problem, but humidity is over 80% here nearly all year round.

I doubt you have 80% humidity in a 70 degree house. Order from out of town, during the winter, in large enough quantities so you only have to reorder next winter. If the grain sat in your house a few days it would dry out and then you can cap your buckets. Midwest supplies (no affiliation) is in MN I believe. Nice and cold.  ;)

-OCD
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on December 11, 2009, 04:24:25 PM
update:

well, I got my 495lbs of grain on Wednesday night, transported them to my inlaws, vacuum sealed and put them on racks in their garage.

spoke with my FIL last night and he told me 3 of the 8 bags didn't hold their seal, oh well. at least they're in other bags which is an additional barrier.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: redbeerman on December 11, 2009, 05:50:43 PM
I use large Rubbermaid totes for storing my grain. Keeps it dry and also keeps the mice out. Plastic trash cans work weel too.

+1  I usually don't have more than a couple hundred pounds though, so it doesn't take up all that much room.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: rabid_dingo on December 13, 2009, 02:41:06 AM
MDixon

do you think the pressure of vacuum sealing will be enough to prevent hatching?

I tried vacuum sealing some grain and found that the points on the individual kernels
of grain were enough to puncture the vacuum bag. 80%+ of the vacuumed bags were
no longer air-tight..(they had lost the vacuum and were as if I had simply used ziplocks...)

So eliminating O2 or air would be very temporary in this situation. Conditions could return
to ideal for hatching...
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: koonster on March 25, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
First post here so bee easy on me. I buy my grain from "Brewmwsters Warehouse". On line a 50# sack of Beiss 2 row takes 2 days for home delivery  and will ship total order for $6.99 and no tax to FL. Pretty good deal
Happy Brewing
Danny
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 25, 2010, 05:10:32 PM
First post here so bee easy on me. I buy my grain from "Brewmwsters Warehouse". On line a 50# sack of Beiss 2 row takes 2 days for home delivery  and will ship total order for $6.99 and no tax to FL. Pretty good deal
Happy Brewing
Danny

Agreed Danny...these guys are great.  The 50# sack I bought from them was cheaper than anywhere else I could find.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: tygo on March 25, 2010, 05:23:39 PM
Agreed Danny...these guys are great.  The 50# sack I bought from them was cheaper than anywhere else I could find.

I just went and checked this site out.  Looks comparable to Northern Brewer to me and people have posted some other places that are cheaper than that.

I compared a 55# sack of Maris Otter.

Northern Brewer:  63.99 + 28.02 shipping = $92.01
Brewmasters $85.25 + 6.99 shipping = $92.24

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 25, 2010, 05:32:11 PM
A 10% off Brewing Network code. ( I think they have one for Homebrewtalk as well ).

Edit: and shipping to me in New England is about $6 more than you.  MO from NB came out to $98+
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: tygo on March 25, 2010, 05:46:21 PM
Gotca, thanks.  I'm always on the lookout for better bulk prices.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Hokerer on March 25, 2010, 06:46:15 PM
I compared a 55# sack of Maris Otter.

Northern Brewer:  63.99 + 28.02 shipping = $92.01
Brewmasters $85.25 + 6.99 shipping = $92.24

Am I missing something?

Yep, you're missing North Country Malt

55# Marris Otter:  40.24 + 26.35 shipping = $66.59
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: hamiltont on March 25, 2010, 06:47:53 PM
I compared a 55# sack of Maris Otter.

Northern Brewer:  63.99 + 28.02 shipping = $92.01
Brewmasters $85.25 + 6.99 shipping = $92.24

Am I missing something?

Yep, you're missing North Country Malt

55# Marris Otter:  40.24 + 26.35 shipping = $66.59

And even cheaper if you can buy a pallet load (group buy)!!
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Hokerer on March 25, 2010, 06:50:40 PM
I compared a 55# sack of Maris Otter.

Northern Brewer:  63.99 + 28.02 shipping = $92.01
Brewmasters $85.25 + 6.99 shipping = $92.24

Am I missing something?

Yep, you're missing North Country Malt

55# Marris Otter:  40.24 + 26.35 shipping = $66.59

And even cheaper if you can buy a pallet load (group buy)!!

While tygo and I are both in Northern Virginia, I don't think the two of us could buy enough sacks to be a "group" :)
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: tygo on March 25, 2010, 07:16:31 PM
I can just see the look on my wife's face if a pallet of grain was dropped on the driveway.  "You see honey, it's a lot cheaper if you buy in bulk!"  I think it would look something like this -->  >:(
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on March 25, 2010, 07:17:34 PM
I can just see the look on my wife's face if a pallet of grain was dropped on the driveway.  "You see honey, it's a lot cheaper if you buy in bulk!"  I think it would look something like this -->  >:(

i've seen that look before when I opened the back of my tahoe to show my wife the 9 bags I got at our recent group buy.

Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: hamiltont on March 25, 2010, 07:44:21 PM

While tygo and I are both in Northern Virginia, I don't think the two of us could buy enough sacks to be a "group" :)

I played with the $'s a while back.  If I remember right it was cheaper by the pallet after 5 bags. Shipping was a flat $90 per pallet & ground was ~$20/bag to my location. Surely you could split 5 or more bags...  ;)  Though one pallet will hold 42 bags....  :o
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: MrNate on March 25, 2010, 08:09:32 PM
You need a loading dock for pallet orders, though.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: blatz on March 25, 2010, 08:20:54 PM
You need a loading dock for pallet orders, though.

I don't believe so - though I believe there is an extra fee ($50?) for delivering without a dock - delivery guy has forklift it off.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: MrNate on March 25, 2010, 08:44:39 PM
Maybe that was it then... I thought it was a hard rule the last time I looked into it.
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on March 25, 2010, 10:55:07 PM
Here it is :
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2733/4458190520_a6bb1e5e88_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: hamiltont on March 26, 2010, 12:31:33 AM
Maybe that was it then... I thought it was a hard rule the last time I looked into it.

Here's what Country Malt says about freight:

Freight terms are prepaid and charge, unless otherwise instructed. The following items need to be requested at the time
of order and may have an extra charge:
• Specific delivery dates and times
• Liftgate
• Pallet Jack
• Call first
• Driver notification of hand-unload
• Extra hose (bulk shipments)
Title: Re: Storing Grain?
Post by: MDixon on March 26, 2010, 12:34:29 PM
(Note: I did not read the entire thread.)
There is no way there will be an extra charge for not having a dock if you unload the sacks yourself. Just climb your butt into the truck and start throwing out the sacks which are yours. You'll have them off the truck and he can go in less than 10 min.

Now they probably will not deliver to a residential address. Every time we have had grain delivered it is to a business or a place with a loading dock. It ain't hard to find someone who has a business with one who will let you unload there.