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Title: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: deepsouth on November 10, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
like checking out the lovibond chart on the way to school.

(http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/deepsouth1970/6cacc19d.jpg)
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: euge on November 10, 2010, 07:36:17 PM
That is awesome!
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: deepsouth on November 10, 2010, 07:50:08 PM
That is awesome!


he was sooooo quiet on the way to school and i turned around at the red light and found out why....
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Post by: chezteth on November 10, 2010, 11:41:51 PM
That is terrific!   :)  Two of my three kids have some interest in brewing.  Now if I can get them to pick up some of the books...
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Post by: BrewArk on November 11, 2010, 12:02:11 AM
That's fine now - wait 'till he's a teenager!
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: deepsouth on November 11, 2010, 07:34:41 PM
That's fine now - wait 'till he's a teenager!

i know, right.  hopefully he will be my assistant brewer by then.   he'd be a 4th generation brewer!
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Post by: bluesman on November 11, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
That's fine now - wait 'till he's a teenager!

i know, right.  hopefully he will be my assistant brewer by then.   he'd be a 4th generation brewer!

Wow...4 generations of brewers.  That's something to be proud of there.  8)
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Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on November 11, 2010, 07:50:39 PM
That's awesome!  My little guy loves to watch me brew.  I'm hoping to bring him on board as an assistant when he's ready. :)
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Post by: Hokerer on November 11, 2010, 09:37:03 PM
Folks were laughing at me at a pool party once because my youngest was still in diapers but he knew how to refill my beer from a keg and bring it to me so I didn't have to leave the pool.  Good pour each time to boot!
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Post by: lauriegator on November 17, 2010, 09:22:39 PM
That is really cool!

They do seem to pick that up. My son is now 22 and brewing too!
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Post by: anthayes on November 18, 2010, 02:38:16 PM
My kids don't get to taste much beer - but they smell plenty, starting from the mash tun through to when I am drinking. I figured that we teach them the names of colours and musical notes - why not aromas. Their noses are pretty sharp - they just need to learn the names of things.

My wife is into cooking and does the same with herbs - getting them to indentify what she has used.

Ant Hayes
Tonbridge, Kent
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: tschmidlin on November 18, 2010, 05:25:21 PM
My kids don't get to taste much beer - but they smell plenty, starting from the mash tun through to when I am drinking. I figured that we teach them the names of colours and musical notes - why not aromas. Their noses are pretty sharp - they just need to learn the names of things.

My wife is into cooking and does the same with herbs - getting them to indentify what she has used.
We're the same way Ant, trying to teach them how to taste and smell and identify different ingredients.  They like that game. :)
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Post by: morticaixavier on November 18, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
My kids don't get to taste much beer - but they smell plenty, starting from the mash tun through to when I am drinking. I figured that we teach them the names of colours and musical notes - why not aromas. Their noses are pretty sharp - they just need to learn the names of things.

My wife is into cooking and does the same with herbs - getting them to indentify what she has used.
We're the same way Ant, trying to teach them how to taste and smell and identify different ingredients.  They like that game. :)

That is an awesome idea y'all!
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: 6thstreet on November 18, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
My 12 year old daughter knows more about craft beer than half of my friends without ever having tasted.  I think its great
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: capozzoli on November 18, 2010, 06:48:46 PM
Oh great,are you guys letting them drink the beer too? You should all be behind bars.
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 18, 2010, 07:03:46 PM
Oh great,are you guys letting them drink the beer too? You should all be behind bars.
Or at least at bars. ;)
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Post by: tumarkin on November 18, 2010, 07:44:16 PM
Oh great,are you guys letting them drink the beer too? You should all be behind bars.

+1   yeah, my dad let us kids drink his beer at home as kids, and look where that got me!  ;D
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Post by: euge on November 18, 2010, 08:11:13 PM
In my state it is completely legal for a parent to give a minor alcohol. These days it's frowned upon but still legal. My parents let me taste but had to grab the Coors can out of my little hands since I already showed the propensity to chug. ;D

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Post by: deepsouth on November 18, 2010, 09:25:16 PM
if my son asks for a sip, which he does on a rare occasion, i give it to him.  my dad gave me sips and his dad him and his dad him.  i *think* i said earlier that if he brews, he will be a fourth generation brewer.  it would be five, but my dad has never brewed a beer.....  yet....
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Post by: anthayes on November 19, 2010, 05:06:47 PM
Oh great,are you guys letting them drink the beer too? You should all be behind bars.

In the UK it is illegal to give an alcoholic drink to a child under five except under medical supervision in an emergency.

Ant Hayes
Tonbridge, Kent
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: gordonstrong on November 19, 2010, 09:09:49 PM
What kind of medical-supervised emergency would require giving a 4 year old an alcoholic beverage?

Just curious.  I've been trying to think of a circumstance, but am coming up blank.  Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a bartender.

Last time I was in the UK, I bought a shandy along with my fish & chips at a chipperie.  Before I walked away from the stand, I thought to ask if there was any kind of open container law I need be concerned with.  The lady said, "nah, don't worry about that love, school kids walk around drinking these."
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Post by: capozzoli on November 19, 2010, 09:17:44 PM
Lots of medicines contain alcohol. Under medical supervision translates to American as 'with a prescription'. Maybe that is why?
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Post by: gordonstrong on November 19, 2010, 09:21:14 PM
Right, but medicine is usually called "medicine" not "alcoholic drink". 

Off to mow the lawn and then enjoy a nice bottle of cough syrup.
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: capozzoli on November 19, 2010, 09:25:18 PM
Well, you know how the English are.

Make sure it is cold
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: deepsouth on November 19, 2010, 10:29:58 PM

What kind of medical-supervised emergency would require giving a 4 year old an alcoholic beverage?



2:00 am and child still crying.  bourbon in bottle, oh yeah!  seriously though.  i've never done that, but my pediatrition told my mom to do that with me when i was a wee one and didn't sleep and i just went in for a full physical for my 40th and i have an infant that doesn't sleep well and she told me to try a little sip of something in the bottle (which is impossible as he won't take a bottle).
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Post by: tumarkin on November 19, 2010, 11:15:02 PM

What kind of medical-supervised emergency would require giving a 4 year old an alcoholic beverage?



2:00 am and child still crying.  bourbon in bottle, oh yeah!  seriously though.  i've never done that, but my pediatrition told my mom to do that with me when i was a wee one and didn't sleep and i just went in for a full physical for my 40th and i have an infant that doesn't sleep well and she told me to try a little sip of something in the bottle (which is impossible as he won't take a bottle).

he won't take a bottle? well, not of milk maybe. offer him something more interesting, and see what may happen.
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Post by: anthayes on November 21, 2010, 06:02:45 PM
What kind of medical-supervised emergency would require giving a 4 year old an alcoholic beverage?

The whole thing is pretty weird - why five anyway? Before moving here I let my kids have sips of homebrew - pretty much from eight months or so- wet lips rather than mouthfuls. I stopped once I found out the law.

Ant Hayes
Tonbridge, Kent
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 21, 2010, 08:28:42 PM
In my state it is completely legal for a parent to give a minor alcohol.
Legal in Wisconsin to share alcoholic drink with your child at home or in the restaurant/bar as long as it does not violate house rules of establishment.

Now think about the communion wine.
Is that legal?
Minor are been serve alcohol in churches not by their parents.
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: deepsouth on November 22, 2010, 07:40:47 PM

What kind of medical-supervised emergency would require giving a 4 year old an alcoholic beverage?



2:00 am and child still crying.  bourbon in bottle, oh yeah!  seriously though.  i've never done that, but my pediatrition told my mom to do that with me when i was a wee one and didn't sleep and i just went in for a full physical for my 40th and i have an infant that doesn't sleep well and she told me to try a little sip of something in the bottle (which is impossible as he won't take a bottle).

he won't take a bottle? well, not of milk maybe. offer him something more interesting, and see what may happen.

as of 11/22/10, he will not take a bottle. 
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 22, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
A little sugar added to the milk/formula might make it more interesting for him, our doctor recommended that or sugar water.  Or just wait until he's so hungry that he'll take it, it depends on your tolerance for crying.
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Post by: Slowbrew on November 23, 2010, 05:40:11 PM
All 4 of my kids can pour a beer from the tap or bottle.  My youngest is 10 and only my son (the oldest) has any interest in tasting any of it.

It used to raise some eyebrows when Mike would stand there and describe the properties of the beers on tap to the grown ups.  Now they all just realize that he helps in the brewery.

I used to worry that all my equipment would disappear around the end of his senior year for a month while he brewed the beer for the graduation kegger but he has assured me it would be too much work to do that.  8^)  He never really said there wouldn't be a kegger but I'll cross one bridge at a time.

Like many others, my folks let us have a beer or mixed drink at home with them.  The rules were always, if you have a drink you stay home, if you need to go somewhere you don't drink.  Our parish priest finds it ironic that I'll share a taste of whatever I'm drinking with someone who can't decide on a beer but I won't drink from the cup at Mass.  He doesn't get that it's different, at least to me.  As for the kids?  I'll never be worried that my kids will start a drinking problem based on the wine they use at Mass.

Paul

Paul
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: richardt on November 23, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
What kind of medical-supervised emergency would require giving a 4 year old an alcoholic beverage?

The ingestion of antifreeze = a true emergency.
One "lick or taste" can kill a child and more than "a mouthful" can kill an adult. 
Years ago, I had one of my cats lick an unknown quantity of antifreeze that my wife had just spilled; he got to it before my wife could clean it up.  It has a sweet aroma and taste--so it is attractive to animals and children. 
Took him to the vet right away--he survived.
Licking up 5 tablespoons can kill a medium sized dog.
Toxic and irreversible effects can occur within 30-60 minutes.

Antifreeze (ethylene glycol) itself isn't fatal (but it is an intoxicant); however, its byproducts are fatal.
Antifreeze is broken down in the liver by alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH).
Ethylene glycol --> glycoaldehyde --> glycolic acid --> glyoxylic acid --> oxalic acid.
The accumulation of toxic metabolites is responsible for the potentially fatal acidosis and renal failure.

Ethanol "therapy" at sufficiently high concentrations saturates alcohol dehydrogenase, preventing it from acting on ethylene glycol, thus allowing the latter to be excreted unchanged by the kidneys.  A modern, and safer, alternative to ethanol therapy is fomepizole, or 4-methylpyrozole.

Needless to say, do not try to manage antifreeze poisoning at home.
Call the National Poison Control Center (1-800-222-1222) and get the poisoned individual to the ER (or Vet) immediately.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434452 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434452)
http://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/0901/p807.html (http://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/0901/p807.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol_poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol_poisoning)
Title: Re: kids need to learn the important stuff early....
Post by: gordonstrong on November 23, 2010, 07:10:03 PM
Thanks.  That all makes sense.