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Title: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: deepsouth on November 25, 2009, 09:02:19 am
i just got a new 7lb capacity barley crusher.

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1818/barley.jpg) (http://img187.imageshack.us/i/barley.jpg/)


base has nifty little rubber feet for whatever it sits on.

but, whatever does it sit on?    and where does the crushed barley go (obviously on the floor with nothing underneath it)?

Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: Robert on November 25, 2009, 09:04:34 am
I find that the feet are just about perfectly spaced to fit inside a 5 gallon bucket. I set mine on the bucket and the legs kind squeeze into it, holding it in place.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: theDarkSide on November 25, 2009, 09:11:48 am
I find that the feet are just about perfectly spaced to fit inside a 5 gallon bucket. I set mine on the bucket and the legs kind squeeze into it, holding it in place.

Same here...and I hook up my power drill to and grind away. 
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: deepsouth on November 25, 2009, 09:16:06 am
thanks guys.  now i'll begin the search for a five gallon bucket....

do i need it to be made of PET safe materials?
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: blatz on November 25, 2009, 09:21:13 am
a Homer bucket will be fine.  I use some homer buckets to store my grains (though most of my storage bins are food grade buckets) 

stick a bag that your grains come in in the bucket if you're skirred, but really, its going to be in the bucket maybe an hour?
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: theDarkSide on November 25, 2009, 09:30:48 am
I use one of my old fermentor buckets
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: deepsouth on November 25, 2009, 09:35:23 am
thanks all!

Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: hamiltont on November 25, 2009, 09:36:30 am
Buckets? Check with your local bakery. They get icing in 4-5 gallon buckets that have a rubber seal in the lid. Just wash it out good & leave it open to void the icing smell. It eventually goes away.  Walmart sells them for a buck.  Just call the bakery & ask them to save you some.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: bonjour on November 25, 2009, 11:12:25 am
Old fermentor bucket here.  Fits like a champ

Fred
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on November 27, 2009, 09:05:26 pm
10 gal igloo works good and holds more grain than a 5 gal bucket
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: yugamrap on November 30, 2009, 08:51:44 pm
I use mine on a Homer bucket.  I line the bucket with a plastic bag, and fill more than bag one when doing 10-gallon batches or some higher-gravity beers.  After mashing, I use the same plastic bags to collect the spent grain.  I take the grain to the local historical society's farm and they feed it to the goats and chickens.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: k4df4l on December 02, 2009, 05:59:59 pm
I used to mill into a 5 gal bucket but now I throw my BC right on top of my mash tun (10 gal round cooler) and mill directly into that....it just spans the top and you have to be careful that it doesn't tip back when you fire up the drill.  I stabilize it with my knee or foot on the wide part of the base to keep it in place.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: dave97402 on December 09, 2009, 03:37:16 pm
I grind mine into a 5 gal bucket as well. I also found the stock board is big enough to mount a small motor on for motorizing.....yeah...I am lazy! Hahaha
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: euge on March 01, 2010, 11:42:13 am
Deepsouth- how's the BC working for ya? You've had a few months to play with it.

I monkeyed with the adjuster knobs and came up with two settings which I marked with a sharpie. Sometimes the grain-bill composition and/or humidity forces me to back off on the gap otherwise it becomes a real PITA to get the malt to run through the rollers.

The grist is excellent and the husk isn't destroyed.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: deepsouth on March 01, 2010, 12:00:54 pm
Deepsouth- how's the BC working for ya? You've had a few months to play with it.

I monkeyed with the adjuster knobs and came up with two settings which I marked with a sharpie. Sometimes the grain-bill composition and/or humidity forces me to back off on the gap otherwise it becomes a real PITA to get the malt to run through the rollers.

The grist is excellent and the husk isn't destroyed.


i've actually only brewed once since christmas and i used the default setting it came with.  my effeciency was 69%, so i probably should futz with it.  i'm not too mechanically inclined though...

/shame
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: tygo on March 01, 2010, 12:20:46 pm
I've gotten around 75% using the factory settings on mine over the last few batches but I'm also conditioning the grain. 
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: euge on March 01, 2010, 01:29:31 pm
I've gotten around 75% using the factory settings on mine over the last few batches but I'm also conditioning the grain. 

Conditioning? How is it done?
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: Hokerer on March 01, 2010, 01:31:38 pm
I've gotten around 75% using the factory settings on mine over the last few batches but I'm also conditioning the grain. 

Conditioning? How is it done?

Kai's got a good description of the process...

http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=Malt_Conditioning (http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=Malt_Conditioning)
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: euge on March 01, 2010, 08:46:15 pm
I tried something like that a few times to make the husk stretchier. I agree with Kai as it really isn't required to make good beer. Got my own brewing approaches so I knows about preferences in certain small things.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: a10t2 on March 01, 2010, 11:08:51 pm
I just got a Barley Crusher and brewed an APA back to back, first with the default setting, then with it at 0.030". Mash efficiency went from 79% to 87%. I did have a slow sparge with the tighter gap, but I've used Kai's spray-bottle conditioning method since then and had much faster runoff. Running the pump wide open fast, actually.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: euge on March 02, 2010, 10:58:48 pm
I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: dave97402 on March 11, 2010, 04:56:03 pm
I tightened up my gap just a little from original. Works well!!
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/dave97402/mill.jpg)
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: euge on March 11, 2010, 11:07:30 pm
Watch those fingers kids...

Awesome!
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: beerstache on March 12, 2010, 01:56:44 pm
I like your motorized setup for the Barley Crusher.  Can you give me the details/plans for it?  Looks like bicycle gears and chain?
What kind of motor is that?
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: dave97402 on March 12, 2010, 05:28:16 pm
It is just a 1/4 hp gearmotor I bought from www.surpluscenter.com. It was just the right size that I was able to mount it right to the stock board, sideways like that. It came with the RC25 pitch sprocket on it, and I just bought the little sprocket for the crusher, a little chain, and viola. I think the little sprocket it like 19 tooth? After calculations, final rpm, 276. I just used some little "L" brackets for mounting to the board. It was a must to do this cause, well I'm lazy....I mean pragmatic.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: tygo on March 12, 2010, 07:00:00 pm
Today my sentiments are "jeez, it's just a little crankin, who needs a motor for that?"

Tomorrow, while grinding the grain for my next batch I'll be thinking, "So, what do I need to do to motorize this sucker?"

Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: dave97402 on March 15, 2010, 05:14:39 pm
Today my sentiments are "jeez, it's just a little crankin, who needs a motor for that?"

Tomorrow, while grinding the grain for my next batch I'll be thinking, "So, what do I need to do to motorize this sucker?"



Exactly my progression of thinking! Hahaha.....figured I can crank my mill manually for $20 or more. After a couple times grinding up grain for a fairly big beer.....that $20 seemed pretty cheap!
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: bluesman on March 15, 2010, 05:41:11 pm
Old fermentor bucket here.  Fits like a champ

Fred

+1

I want to motorize my JSP Maltmill someday. Something like a cabinet on wheels.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: jwatkins56550 on March 17, 2010, 03:37:09 pm
I just got this mill recently, but have had problems with the drills I've been using.  The first drill was just not powerful enough, so I got a corded drill.  I was too nervous to give it full power, but this drill wouldn't start the rollers without giving it full power quickly then backing off.... eventually both drills started smoking and I finished the grist off with the hand crank.  What do you think?  A drill with more torque?
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: mikeypedersen on March 17, 2010, 03:55:29 pm
What do you think?  A drill with more torque?
I doubt it.  I use a 12v cordless Dewalt and sometimes a super cheap 18v cordless no-name brand.  With either one, I can start the rollers extremely slowly.

It sounds like you have some kind of other problem going on.
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: dean on March 17, 2010, 05:39:43 pm
10 gal igloo works good and holds more grain than a 5 gal bucket

Sometimes, maybe more often than not, milled grain for my batches won't fit in a 5 gallon bucket either.   :D
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: hamiltont on March 17, 2010, 07:52:50 pm
I just got this mill recently, but have had problems with the drills I've been using.  The first drill was just not powerful enough, so I got a corded drill.  I was too nervous to give it full power, but this drill wouldn't start the rollers without giving it full power quickly then backing off.... eventually both drills started smoking and I finished the grist off with the hand crank.  What do you think?  A drill with more torque?
I use a drill similar to this with excellent results...
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93632
Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: rabid_dingo on March 18, 2010, 12:48:41 am
I went with the one below. I opted for a 1/2 rod in on the mill, so I need a 1/2 in drill. Plus it is variable speed. Lowest
setting is perfect and it works like a champ. Harbor freight does kick butt with some prices..Found out I had one
down the road and saved on shipping and they had it on sale for $32.

 Harbor Freigh ITEM 3273-9VGA  (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3273)

Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: euge on March 18, 2010, 10:53:17 am
I just got this mill recently, but have had problems with the drills I've been using.  The first drill was just not powerful enough, so I got a corded drill.  I was too nervous to give it full power, but this drill wouldn't start the rollers without giving it full power quickly then backing off.... eventually both drills started smoking and I finished the grist off with the hand crank.  What do you think?  A drill with more torque?

Cordless drill no good (usually). After much experimentation I've found that running the drill flat-out at 3000rpm all the time produces the best results. And it doesn't start smoking LOL though I got that with my Black&Decker 18v.

Really, the main problem I see with the BC and it probably is true with most mills (WAG) is that the variations in grain's kernel-size coupled with fluctuations in humidity often requires gap adjustments just to get the stuff to feed through. I grab the chuck and work it back and forth till I feel the grain "bite" and then I let it rip.

Finally concluded I'll just back off on the gap permanently since a dubious couple points in efficiency no longer matter to me. I just want the brew-day to go smoothly. ;)

Title: Re: a question about my new 7 lb. barley crusher
Post by: jwatkins56550 on March 18, 2010, 09:05:04 pm
Thanks for the help guys