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Title: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 18, 2010, 04:51:35 PM
A friend of a friend of a friend is starting to brew, and wanted a corny keg.  As I just picked up a bunch of single handed ones (Thanks Tom) and he wanted one to trade for "an old keg he had laying around" I decided to do so, as it would be good to have an extra if ever needed. 

When he stopped by to do the trade, he pulls this virtually brand new sankey keg out of his trunk.  I mean, brand fr eaking new.  And, from a brewery I have much respect for.  I certainly cannot keep this.  But, don't know what to do, or how to return it. 

Any ideas?
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: tschmidlin on November 18, 2010, 04:52:38 PM
I'll PM you Mic.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: bluesman on November 18, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
That's a tough one.

How did he get the keg?
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 18, 2010, 06:24:51 PM
That's a tough one.

How did he get the keg?

I don't know, don't even know his name.  Just one of those chance encounters.  I did tell him a HBC is meeting this Sunday, and the web address to get the details.  If he shows, I'll find out more.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beersk on November 18, 2010, 09:30:59 PM
Good luck.  I might look into it more too, but he traded you...an exchange is an exchange.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 18, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Good luck.  I might look into it more too, but he traded you...an exchange is an exchange.

Sure it is, but when you exchange for stolen merchandise, it's still wrong.

I have a connection to one of the owners of Alaskan, I'm gonna try contact her, and see how I can return it to her.  Although I'm in Western Washington.  The local distributor basically called me a thief.  I wont deal with them.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: denny on November 18, 2010, 10:28:18 PM
The local distributor basically called me a thief.  I wont deal with them.

Now he's just being silly.  If you were a thief, why would you be going out of your way to return it?
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: marty on November 18, 2010, 10:40:26 PM
I have a connection to one of the owners of Alaskan, I'm gonna try contact her, and see how I can return it to her.  Although I'm in Western Washington.  The local distributor basically called me a thief.  I wont deal with them.

Can you return it to any liquor store for the deposit, or does it have to be the store it was bought from?

The deposit would give you enough money to buy another corny, and returning it would get the keg back to the brewery
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 18, 2010, 11:19:18 PM
I have a connection to one of the owners of Alaskan, I'm gonna try contact her, and see how I can return it to her.  Although I'm in Western Washington.  The local distributor basically called me a thief.  I wont deal with them.

Can you return it to any liquor store for the deposit, or does it have to be the store it was bought from?

The deposit would give you enough money to buy another corny, and returning it would get the keg back to the brewery

While liquor stores don't sell kegs in my state, I may just bring it back to one of the taverns.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: euge on November 19, 2010, 09:30:24 AM
It looks to me like you should have given your friend a keg and refused the sankey. Or maybe since he lied to you quashed the deal.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 19, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
It looks to me like you should have given your friend a keg and refused the sankey. Or maybe since he lied to you quashed the deal.

My 2 cents.

You're right. That would have been the right thing to do. 
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beersk on November 19, 2010, 03:33:57 PM
I didn't think about the possibility it was stolen. That sucks!  Hope you get it sorted out, man.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 19, 2010, 03:47:20 PM
I didn't think about the possibility it was stolen. That sucks!  Hope you get it sorted out, man.

What I'm saying is cutting up a perfectly good keg, that obviously still belongs to the brewery is stealing.  The $40 is a deposit, one is not purchasing the keg, and free to do as they will with it.  To not return it, is to steal.  IMHO.

Espcially as new as this one is.  I bet it's the first fill.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: majorvices on November 19, 2010, 03:53:18 PM
Why not just call the guy and explain the situation to him? Get your corny back and explain to him how expensive these kegs are and how a $40 deposit doesn't even begin to cover the cost of the keg, how breweries have to charge mroe for their beer to cover stolen kegs and how it puts a financial strain, especially on small breweries. I bet the guy has no idea that the keg he had was technically stolen. That's what I would do at this point.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: narvin on November 19, 2010, 05:33:34 PM
I still think the stupid deposit CREATES this problem.  When I rent a DVD, or even a rental car, and don't return it, they don't keep $40 from me.  They charge my credit card, or come after me.  You have to have ID to get beer anyway, so why can't they verify and record your personal info when you order a keg?  Almost everything else where you pay a deposit you are essentially buying the product if you don't return it.  The mixed message here pisses me off, and while I would never take a keg from a brewery I respect because I know they lose money on it in the current system, I don't see how it can legally be called stealing.

I assume distributors don't want to bother with collecting money for unreturned kegs, because they have the breweries bent over a barrel thanks to all the liquor regulations.  The result is that the brewery has to eat it. 
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: micsager on November 19, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
Why not just call the guy and explain the situation to him? Get your corny back and explain to him how expensive these kegs are and how a $40 deposit doesn't even begin to cover the cost of the keg, how breweries have to charge mroe for their beer to cover stolen kegs and how it puts a financial strain, especially on small breweries. I bet the guy has no idea that the keg he had was technically stolen. That's what I would do at this point.

Like I said, it's a friend, of a friend, of a friend.  If he shows at HBC meeting Sunday, I will.  But other than that, my guess is he'll just do the same thing with someone else. 

I'll get it back to Juneau somehow. 
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: weithman5 on November 19, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
all though it would cost a few dollars, and the distributor doesn't want to help (i think you said he accused you of being a thief) you could just send a letter, tell them that you came across it and offer to buy it (maybe share the cost amongst your club.)  that should alleviate your guilt.  the other thing would be to find a pub that has the stuff on tap, and take it there.  that will get it in to the distribution process i would think
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: kerneldustjacket on November 20, 2010, 04:07:58 PM
No need to feel guilty...just think of it like this: had it fallen into the hands of someone less honest than you, it might have zero chance to return to it's rightful owners.
If anything, you've proven that you care enough to do what's right...
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: majorvices on November 20, 2010, 07:57:35 PM
Why not just call the guy and explain the situation to him? Get your corny back and explain to him how expensive these kegs are and how a $40 deposit doesn't even begin to cover the cost of the keg, how breweries have to charge mroe for their beer to cover stolen kegs and how it puts a financial strain, especially on small breweries. I bet the guy has no idea that the keg he had was technically stolen. That's what I would do at this point.

Like I said, it's a friend, of a friend, of a friend.  If he shows at HBC meeting Sunday, I will.  But other than that, my guess is he'll just do the same thing with someone else. 

I'll get it back to Juneau somehow. 

So, you ask that friend, to get that friend to ask the other friend's phone number.  ;)
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: punatic on November 20, 2010, 08:14:22 PM
Kind of off thread, by simular:

I needed a sankey keg and spotted one at the local metal recycler while there on other business.  I purchased the keg from the recycler at scrap stainless per pound price, and have a receipt for the purchase.  The keg is stamped wiith a mega-brewery's name.  When I got it home it still had the spear installed, a CO2 charge on it, and some stale dregs left in it.

I've felt good about it since I paid and got a receipt.  But, now since I've read this thread I'm wondering if it is really my keg.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: denny on November 20, 2010, 08:18:35 PM
Although there's no way to know if the scrap yard acquired the keg legally, that's the assumption you kinda have to make.  But if I was guessing, I'd guess that whoever they bought it from didn't get it legally.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: BrewArk on November 20, 2010, 08:47:51 PM
Kind of off thread, by simular:

I needed a sankey keg and spotted one at the local metal recycler while there on other business.  I purchased the keg from the recycler at scrap stainless per pound price, and have a receipt for the purchase.  The keg is stamped wiith a mega-brewery's name.  When I got it home it still had the spear installed, a CO2 charge on it, and some stale dregs left in it.

I've felt good about it since I paid and got a receipt.  But, now since I've read this thread I'm wondering if it is really my keg.

Any thoughts?
If you're catholic - go ahead & feel guilty.  If not, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: punatic on November 20, 2010, 09:11:14 PM
If you're catholic - go ahead & feel guilty.  If not, don't worry about it.

I have a good friend who is Jewish and is married to a Japanese woman.  We kid him about getting to suffer from the best of both worlds, guilt and shame...

He works in the prosecuter's office and says don't sweat the keg thing, just keep brewing and sharing.

Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beerocd on November 21, 2010, 01:34:17 AM
We need to come up with a 3 step program to guilt free keg ownership:
1. Check legality if possible
2. Check liquor store or distributor
3. Call the brewery stamped on the keg to come get it.

After that - it's yours - guilt free.
Feel free to modify this it's only a draft 0.1a version.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beveragebob on November 21, 2010, 01:49:22 AM
I say get it back to the rightful owner no matter how. They paid top dollar for it. There's a new program for those breweries that can afford it where all of their kegs are accounted for and tagged with GPS . It IS a big deal. With profit margins so tight, breweries do not need another loss venue. I say if you want a "real" brewery keg, go to Sabco and order one or like DC said scrap yard. I ain't preaching but, it DOES effect someone at the end of the day in a bad way. Do the right thing. 
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beerocd on November 21, 2010, 02:14:18 AM
I say get it back to the rightful owner no matter how. They paid top dollar for it. There's a new program for those breweries that can afford it where all of their kegs are accounted for and tagged with GPS . It IS a big deal. With profit margins so tight, breweries do not need another loss venue. I say if you want a "real" brewery keg, go to Sabco and order one or like DC said scrap yard. I ain't preaching but, it DOES effect someone at the end of the day in a bad way. Do the right thing. 

I'm just saying if you can't get the retailer, distributors or brewery interested in getting it back to the brewery - then ???
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beveragebob on November 21, 2010, 02:29:01 AM
beerocd, then call the brewery and tell them the deal. They'll figure out a way to get what they own back.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beerocd on November 21, 2010, 02:34:48 AM
beerocd, then call the brewery and tell them the deal. They'll figure out a way to get what they own back.

I had the brewery in the equation already. Look at it again. I think you just feel like arguing with someone.   ;)

Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beveragebob on November 23, 2010, 07:45:03 AM
No argument here.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: kgs on November 23, 2010, 01:26:49 PM
No need to feel guilty...just think of it like this: had it fallen into the hands of someone less honest than you, it might have zero chance to return to it's rightful owners.
If anything, you've proven that you care enough to do what's right...

Exactly, what you call feeling guilty I call feeling responsible. Good for you.
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: EHall on November 23, 2010, 05:11:01 PM
do we need to take you down to mamby pamby land and see if we can get you some self confidence?!  ;)
Title: Re: I feel guilty
Post by: beveragebob on November 25, 2010, 02:10:56 AM
I love that commercial! .....tissue? ..........crybaby!  :D