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Title: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: madscientist on November 22, 2010, 05:08:55 AM
So it's been a while since I've brewed anything.  I have a case of pumpkin ale that I've been trying to get rid of, and while it was OK, it wasn't spectacular in my book.  So I need to brew something new.  I have an amber ale kit that's been in my freezer/fridge for a while, but I'd really like to formulate my own.  Recently I was in Indiana and went to the Ram brewpub in Fishers.  I absolutely loved their rye pale ale.  I also recently bought a 6 pack of Terrapin Rye Pale Ale and loved it.  So i need some help formulating my recipe. The malts I want to use: Victory, Crystal, Wheat, Pale and Nugget, ahtanum, and cascade hops.  I want to do this as an extract/grain beer where I do some steeping at the start then adding my extracts.  Where can I use extract and what can I steep at the beginning?  I'm shooting for an IBU of 37 to 41, and by my calcs, with Nugget at 60, ahtanum at 15, and cascade at 5min, I can get right in that range.  Also, how much rye does one typically use? 

Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: euge on November 22, 2010, 06:25:23 AM
Supposedly Denny has the "end all" Rye Pale Ale. Do a search for the recipe. I've never tasted it but my opinion is rye really complements a beer. Belongs there.
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: dhacker on November 22, 2010, 12:54:37 PM
Since you want to brew a rye pale ale, I'll assume you want some rye in your grain bill!  ;)

You mentioned Terrapin . . . Here is a clone of that recipe I made that tasted like the real thing. The IBUs are a little higher than what you're shooting for, but not by much.


Terrapin Rye Pale Ale Clone
A ProMash Recipe Report
Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal):         5.50    Wort Size (Gal):    5.50
Total Grain (Lbs):       12.50
Anticipated OG:          1.058    Plato:             14.22
Anticipated SRM:        6.9
Anticipated IBU:          44.9
Brewhouse Efficiency:  72 %
Wort Boil Time:            90    Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 74.0     9.25 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row)              America        1.036      2
 10.0     1.25 lbs. Munich Malt                   Germany        1.037      8
  8.0      1.15 lbs. Rye Malt                      America        1.030      4
  4.0      0.50 lbs. Victory Malt                  America        1.034     25
  4.0      0.50 lbs. Honey Malt                    Canada         1.030     18

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  0.50 oz.    Magnum                           Pellet  14.00  27.1  45 min.
  0.75 oz.    Fuggle                              Pellet   5.00   8.2  30 min.
  0.50 oz.    Goldings - E.K.                  Pellet   4.75   3.4  20 min.
  0.50 oz.    Goldings - E.K.                  Pellet   4.75   2.0  10 min.
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   5.75   4.1  3 min.
  1.00 oz.    Amarillo Gold                    Whole   10.00   0.0  Dry Hop

Yeast
-----
WYeast 1272 American Ale II


Mash Schedule
-------------
Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs:    12.50
Water Qts:   18.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal:    4.50 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.44 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 153  Time:  60
Mash-out Rest Temp :              0  Time:   0
Sparge Temp :                      168  Time:  15


Total Mash Volume Gal: 5.50 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.


Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: denny on November 22, 2010, 04:48:47 PM
Supposedly Denny has the "end all" Rye Pale Ale. Do a search for the recipe. I've never tasted it but my opinion is rye really complements a beer. Belongs there.

You may be thinking of the Rye IPA, but I do have a really good rye APA recipe, too.  It's about 40% rye.
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: Hokerer on November 22, 2010, 06:05:57 PM
I want to do this as an extract/grain beer where I do some steeping at the start then adding my extracts.  Where can I use extract and what can I steep at the beginning? 

Gonna be tough to do with Extract/Steeping since the Rye Malt needs to be mashed.
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: tschmidlin on November 22, 2010, 06:19:54 PM
I want to do this as an extract/grain beer where I do some steeping at the start then adding my extracts.  Where can I use extract and what can I steep at the beginning? 

Gonna be tough to do with Extract/Steeping since the Rye Malt needs to be mashed.
There's very little difference between mashing and steeping though, and rye malt has enough DP to self-convert, so it should be fine.
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: maxieboy on November 22, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Supposedly Denny has the "end all" Rye Pale Ale. Do a search for the recipe. I've never tasted it but my opinion is rye really complements a beer. Belongs there.

Kegged 10g of DC's RIPA a week ago...This is a must brew for every homebrewer. The first time I brewed it, I didn't get the proper crush on the rye, and little if any rye character made it in to the final product. Meh. Fast forward a couple yrs., got the proper crush and BAM, kick a** beer! Brew it up, Euge! (and OP) You guys will NOT regret it.   8)
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: Malticulous on November 22, 2010, 09:23:42 PM
I just made this American Rye/wheat beer. It's unmalted stuff I got at Natural Foods at about 50 cents a pound.

http://hopville.com/recipe/371799/american-wheat-or-rye-beer-recipes/cheap-wheat

That 12% flaked rye is up front on the flavor profile. This flaked rye seems more pungent flavored then the German and British rye malt I've used before.
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: James Lorden on November 24, 2010, 06:47:40 PM
This weekend I judged a Rye ale made with a neutral ale yeast and generously hopped with 100% sarachi hops.  Wow! it was incredible.  The spicey hop with that sort of lemony sarachi flavor and aroma made for flavors that were incredibly unique.  Everyone that tried it said it was like nothing they'd ever had before - totally original and a pleasure to drink!
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: kgs on November 27, 2010, 04:07:14 PM
Supposedly Denny has the "end all" Rye Pale Ale. Do a search for the recipe. I've never tasted it but my opinion is rye really complements a beer. Belongs there.

You may be thinking of the Rye IPA, but I do have a really good rye APA recipe, too.  It's about 40% rye.

Any chance you could add a link to the latter the AHA recipe wiki? I've brewed the RIPA three times this year and love it (though the last batch came out too bitter and not hoppy enough due to new-equipment blues), but an RAPA sounds really approachable. A gateway beer ;-)
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: madscientist on December 09, 2010, 05:38:33 PM
I want to do this as an extract/grain beer where I do some steeping at the start then adding my extracts.  Where can I use extract and what can I steep at the beginning? 

Gonna be tough to do with Extract/Steeping since the Rye Malt needs to be mashed.
There's very little difference between mashing and steeping though, and rye malt has enough DP to self-convert, so it should be fine.

From everything i've read I think I will try steeping it.  Maybe i'll throw some flaked rye in at the end of the boil as well give it a little more punch.  I think for the recipe, I am still looking around, and I downloaded a beer recipe formulator so I will fool around with that.  Should a half hour steep/mash time do it for the rye?
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: denny on December 09, 2010, 05:57:43 PM
From everything i've read I think I will try steeping it.  Maybe i'll throw some flaked rye in at the end of the boil as well give it a little more punch.  I think for the recipe, I am still looking around, and I downloaded a beer recipe formulator so I will fool around with that.  Should a half hour steep/mash time do it for the rye?

If you "steep" for an hour at 155, you'll be fine.  If you're not prepared to do that, than don't use rye.  And I hope you don't really mean you're going to put flaked rye in the boil!  It needs to be mashed also, but it doesn't contain the enzymes to convert itself.  You'll need to mash it with a malt that has diastatic power.  And FWIW, flaked rye won't give you much "punch".  It's much more subtle than malted rye.
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: madscientist on December 09, 2010, 06:02:18 PM
From everything i've read I think I will try steeping it.  Maybe i'll throw some flaked rye in at the end of the boil as well give it a little more punch.  I think for the recipe, I am still looking around, and I downloaded a beer recipe formulator so I will fool around with that.  Should a half hour steep/mash time do it for the rye?

If you "steep" for an hour at 155, you'll be fine.  If you're not prepared to do that, than don't use rye.  And I hope you don't really mean you're going to put flaked rye in the boil!  It needs to be mashed also, but it doesn't contain the enzymes to convert itself.  You'll need to mash it with a malt that has diastatic power.  And FWIW, flaked rye won't give you much "punch".  It's much more subtle than malted rye.

Oh ok..... For some reason I thought flaked rye was added at the end.  Probably from a "misrepresented" recipe I found somewhere on google.  I can "steep" for an hour no problem.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Rye Pale Ale
Post by: madscientist on December 27, 2010, 03:11:17 PM
Since you want to brew a rye pale ale, I'll assume you want some rye in your grain bill!  ;)

You mentioned Terrapin . . . Here is a clone of that recipe I made that tasted like the real thing. The IBUs are a little higher than what you're shooting for, but not by much.


Terrapin Rye Pale Ale Clone
A ProMash Recipe Report
Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal):         5.50    Wort Size (Gal):    5.50
Total Grain (Lbs):       12.50
Anticipated OG:          1.058    Plato:             14.22
Anticipated SRM:        6.9
Anticipated IBU:          44.9
Brewhouse Efficiency:  72 %
Wort Boil Time:            90    Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 74.0     9.25 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row)              America        1.036      2
 10.0     1.25 lbs. Munich Malt                   Germany        1.037      8
  8.0      1.15 lbs. Rye Malt                      America        1.030      4
  4.0      0.50 lbs. Victory Malt                  America        1.034     25
  4.0      0.50 lbs. Honey Malt                    Canada         1.030     18

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  0.50 oz.    Magnum                           Pellet  14.00  27.1  45 min.
  0.75 oz.    Fuggle                              Pellet   5.00   8.2  30 min.
  0.50 oz.    Goldings - E.K.                  Pellet   4.75   3.4  20 min.
  0.50 oz.    Goldings - E.K.                  Pellet   4.75   2.0  10 min.
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   5.75   4.1  3 min.
  1.00 oz.    Amarillo Gold                    Whole   10.00   0.0  Dry Hop

Yeast
-----
WYeast 1272 American Ale II


Mash Schedule
-------------
Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs:    12.50
Water Qts:   18.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal:    4.50 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.44 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 153  Time:  60
Mash-out Rest Temp :              0  Time:   0
Sparge Temp :                      168  Time:  15


Total Mash Volume Gal: 5.50 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.




OK I'm adjusting this recipe a little bit and going to use Light DME instead of the Pale 2-row.  I want to know what people think, if i'm on the right track (It will end up being a partial mash)

Recipe Gravity: 1.056 OG
Recipe Bitterness: 38 IBU
Recipe Color: 11° SRM
Estimated FG: 1.014
Alcohol by Volume: 5.4%
Alcohol by Weight: 4.3%

Ingredients
-----------
German Munich                 1.00 lb, Grain, Mashed
Honey Malt                    0.50 lb, Grain, Other
Light D.M.E.                  4.50 lb, Extract, Extract
Rye malt                      1.00 lb, Grain, Mashed
Victory Malt                  0.50 lb, Grain, Mashed

Amarillo Gold                 1.00 oz, Whole, 0 minutes (Dry Hop)
Cascade                       1.00 oz, Pellet, 3 minutes
Fuggles                       0.50 oz, Pellet, 30 minutes
Kent Golding                  0.50 oz, Pellet, 10 minutes
Kent Golding                  0.50 oz, Pellet, 20 minutes
Magnum                        0.50 oz, Pellet, 45 minutes