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Title: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 29, 2010, 05:45:06 PM
First batch, partial extract APA..... per recipe og 1054 fg 1014 - 5g batch fermenting in 6g bucket.

OK, it's day 8 and although there is still some activity, I can get a bubble or so/half hour, the sniff test on the air lock indicated that it was very much getting there, so I HAD to go in.

Properly sanitized the beer thief and quickly popped the lid to get my sample....... My og was 1053.....gravity now..... 1010 !!!!!!!

Conditions iside were interesting for the noob. The big green ring around the collar (see the noob does a stoopid thread) and a layer of white foam on the surface, appeared to be about 1/4" thick.

Now for the important part. Flavor OUTSTANDING. Even though not carbonated it had a slight fizzyness and was very, very much like my favorite household beer, (SNPA). Body was good, bitterness good, so for me, the proud father of his first batch it scores very high on the drinkability scale. OK, ANYTHING drinkable would have made me happy, but this exceeds my expectations by a mile. Can you tell I'm excited?

Now to the questions...... where do we go from here? I will be kegging this and speed carbonating, 2 days at 30 psi. I know, I need more patience and I will be more patient next batches, but I need SOMETHING coming out of that tap so I can stop buying cases of beer...... you know.

1 Although there is still some activity, gravity says it's done. Is it?
2 Popping the lid let air in..... is that bad?
3 I'll be autosiphoning this off (no tap on the bucket). Would the foam layer on top disappear if I waited longer?  On the other thread someone suggested swirling, then tilting the bucket, letting it settle and then putting the siphon in the shallow end. I like that.

Your (much appreciated) thoughts?
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: christo on November 29, 2010, 05:53:10 PM
Relax and give it time (easier said than done).

Take SG readings for 3 days and if it's the same, then it has completed fermentation.  However, allowing time for settling of yeast will clear the beer and an extra week to 10 days will help clear up any remaining fermentation by-products.  Patience, my friend.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 29, 2010, 06:16:26 PM
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Patience, my friend.

I'm trying...... REALLY HARD!
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: tubercle on November 29, 2010, 06:17:11 PM
 Patience is the greatest (and hardest to apply) virtue a brewer can have.
 
 Give it another week and then set the co2 to the proper pressure and let it do its thing for another week. You'll be glad you did.

I've been in your shoes though. If the excitement and anticipation is too much to bear, rack it into the keg and throw the pressure to it. ;D
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 29, 2010, 06:21:13 PM
The one question I had...... Opening the lid introduces air....... is that a problem? Or will it be replaced with CO2 in short order?
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: tubercle on November 29, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
Won't hurt anything. There is plenty of co2 in solution that is bubbling out. Just don't stir it around wit the lid off.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 29, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Won't hurt anything. There is plenty of co2 in solution that is bubbling out. Just don't stir it around wit the lid off.

Nope didn't touch it other than a quick dip with the sanitized beer thief. OK, I feel better now. I will start my meditation and let the beer be.... oooooohhhhhhmmmmmm.

In fact, I just thought of a great dristraction...... BREW MORE BEER! Just got "Beer Captured" in the mail. Abbey of Leffe Blonde......YES!
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 30, 2010, 12:34:26 PM
OK, all visible signs of fermentation have stopped. It's barely pushing the "hat" in the air lock. I'll give it a few days and then keg it.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: gordonstrong on November 30, 2010, 02:42:19 PM
Wait until it drops bright.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: bluesman on November 30, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
Wait until it drops bright.

I like Gordon"s suggestion. I won't mention the "P" word again.  ;)

When it is bright it is ready for racking. All of the undesirables will hopefully be gone and the beer will be ready for carbonating.

Good Luck!  8)
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 30, 2010, 02:52:16 PM
Will do. This first batch LHBS talked me into a bucket. Next batch will be in a carboy so I can see what's going on. I don't like the idea of pulling the lid on it.......
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: a10t2 on November 30, 2010, 02:57:08 PM
Will do. This first batch LHBS talked me into a bucket. Next batch will be in a carboy so I can see what's going on. I don't like the idea of pulling the lid on it.......

Just to play devil's advocate, how would a carboy change that? You still have to open it to take readings and to transfer.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 30, 2010, 03:02:46 PM
Yes, but you can see when it drops clear. I took a reading yesterday and cam in below projected fg so I assuming fermentation is complete.

Another question..... there's room in the keggerator.......(40º) I've read it helps dropping particulates out if it's chilled. Anyone recommend this?
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: gordonstrong on November 30, 2010, 03:16:17 PM
Crash cooling can help clarify beer, but you need to make sure the yeast are really done first.  It's not just about converting sugars.  It's about cleaning up after themselves.  Reducing diacetyl, acetaldehyde, etc.  Green beer flavors.  It's part of conditioning.  Yeast drop out when they're done; if you want to force them out, make sure they're done.  Taste your beer.

Certain yeast don't floc as well, and might need to be fined.  Chilling can help some of them, but not all.

So keep things in order.  Make sure fermentation is done.  Make sure the beer is conditioned.  Address clarity.  Package.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 30, 2010, 03:37:42 PM
Gotcha. We wait......... :P
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on November 30, 2010, 10:02:09 PM
OK...... For every question you ask you get an array of answers. The learner's task is to distill (no pun intended) an answer that is defendable, and that he/she can live with, as in the end everything is YOUR decision.

So based on the words of more experienced people here, in the LHBS and other places I opened her up again today, took a reading (1010 again, although I calibrated the hygrometer at 60º and it reads a few points low, so call it 1012, still a good number) and then racked the whole thing to a 5g carboy.

Most of the foam was gone, and it was a nice clean transfer. I sanitized the entire county, including myself up to my elbows, and got nice and organic "in there" feeling the trub and carefully holding the auto siphon just above it. (Someone will now come along and tell me you should never touch your beer, but I found it a very nice and earthy experience......)

So, it's now in a container I can see through (MUCH better, I will never ferment in a bucket again) with a Fermometer on it (62º in my office on the floor) and NOW I will wait 'till things clear up.

BTW, it tastes great!
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: gordonstrong on December 01, 2010, 01:58:19 AM
although I calibrated the hygrometer at 60º and it reads a few points low

Ah, I see your problem. You need to use a hydrometer. A hygrometer measures relative humidity.  ;D
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: maxieboy on December 01, 2010, 02:33:22 AM
Better get that second batch going now... Trust me.  ;)
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 01, 2010, 04:00:16 AM
Ah, I see your problem. You need to use a hydrometer. A hygrometer measures relative humidity.  ;D

DOH! OK, the relative humidity in my beer is 1010...... what does THAT tell you?

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Better get that second batch going now... Trust me.

Got the "prescription" filled for the makings of a batch of Kölsch for the wifey.
Will be brewing Sunday. A Leffe is next, then a stout.

These visit's to Abe's are getting EXPENSIVE......(Abe's has over 500 beers in stock and sells singles.....a "researcher's" dream..... lol.


Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 01, 2010, 01:45:32 PM
OK, now that I can SEE what's going on I'm seeing little off-white clumps that are forming and slooooooowly sinking to the bottom. I am assuming that this is flocculation and that when it stops my beer will be clear?
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 01, 2010, 05:36:02 PM
This is wild, you can SEE it clearing..... 8) With a small LED flashlight I can now light up sinking clots that are 2-3 inches in from the side of the bottle as they sink....this morning I was only getting 1/2" in.....

No, I don't have to much free time. Need to go to work this afternoon and will be back Friday. May have a chance to have a "research pint" at the Lass O Gowrie.....

Can't wait to see what it looks like on Friday.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 03, 2010, 08:37:58 PM
Well, it looked the same as when I left, so I figure it's done. In the keg, 25lbs of steam. All ahead. I've got to get something going out of that tap. Sunday is brew day and first draft day.....

Las O Gowrie had a nice mild..... but also Leffe on tap...... that was easy. ;D
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: tubercle on December 03, 2010, 10:51:13 PM
This is wild, you can SEE it clearing.....

 Wait till you see one ferment in a clear carboy. You won't believe all the activity and trashing about and such. A beautiful sight.
I've been know to watch one for hours. Completely mesmerized 8)
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: maxieboy on December 04, 2010, 03:10:22 AM
This is wild, you can SEE it clearing.....

 Wait till you see one ferment in a clear carboy. You won't believe all the activity and trashing about and such. A beautiful sight.
Tubercle's been know to watch one for hours. Completely mesmerized 8)

 Right?  ;)
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:14:15 AM
I made BEER! First batch ever, kegged, in the keggerator........nonchalantly stroll up and pull myself a home brew...... There are people with a shidload more money than me that aren't half as RICH as I am tonight!!!!!!!! (hic)

OK, it will probably take a little more CO2, you're looking at 5 minutes of gentle rocking and another 6 hours at 25 psi, now down to 10.....so over the next 48 it will probably take a bit more which will give a better head (don't even GO there) Meanwhile the taste is good, so is body and  mouth feel. And I KNOW there's alc in it...... hic. ;D

(http://www.woodenshoemusic.com/PicPages/Linkto-2_files/IMG_0125.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: maxieboy on December 04, 2010, 03:16:22 AM
And so it begins...
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:20:46 AM
Aaah.....that reminds me of a song....

It begins with a blessing
and it ends with a curse;
Making life easy,
by making it worse;
My mask is my Master,
The trumpeter weeps,
But his voice is so weak
As he speaks from his sleep, saying
Why, why, why, why are we sleeping!

People are watching,
people who stare;
waiting for something
that`s already there.
Tomorrow I`ll find it ,
The trumpeter screams,
And remembers he`s hungry
And drowns in his dreams, saying
Why, why, why, why are we sleeping!

My head is a nightclub
With glasses and wine;
The customers dancing
Or just making time;
While Daevid is cursing
The customers scream!
Now everyone`s shouting,
"Get out of my dreams!"


Let me look if there's a ewetoob of that.....
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:25:57 AM
By golly there is.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwc_gosvQ_A&feature=related

Now, that's the Soft Machine, but later Kevin Ayers did it solo..... much better.... let me look for that.

Ew golly, we're talking thread drift......but wait, it's MY thread....and.....home brew will do that to you.... ;D
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:32:47 AM
Oh, here it is......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9eH-Mz4QBA

Well, not quite...... He is acting up, again.... the album was the best, check out the solo at the end.....Em effing genius he was yes siree..... (Back in 1974 you young 'uns)


Whoaaaa another blast from the past.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbP8XpQC5Us

(Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel)

It's interesting..... for decades all this stuff was lost, except for vinyl and cassettes (I can explain) in my collection.... Now suddenly all this stuff is appearing on ewetoob...... from what? 8mm tapes? recordings hiding in studio archives?

This is really, really cool.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: euge on December 04, 2010, 03:41:05 AM
Congrats! Drink deep my friend... Treasure these moments.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:42:46 AM
You posted while I edited...... check out the second ewetoob link... bet you a homebrew you've never heard of this dude.....
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:45:55 AM
Oh WOW...here's the original....oh man, check out the cars...... I had at least 10 or 15 of those models....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OIFk2dQcno&feature=related

I think if the ATF found out what I brewed they will.......hang on...... there's someone at the door......
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 03:51:08 AM
OMFG......1974....it's now what? 2011 (just about) what happened? Where did it go?.....

And if you're getting into this stuff check this one out....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6fJtLr2GLU&feature=related
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 04:04:33 AM
I am one of you now.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: tygo on December 04, 2010, 04:05:01 AM
I am one of you now.

Got some beer there I take it?
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
Yes Sir I do..... and I done brewed it myself and it is quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 04:09:24 AM
Once you get past the half century mark it's the little things that make life enjoyable......
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: tygo on December 04, 2010, 04:12:38 AM
Congratulations on seeing the first one through!  You seem to have jumped into it with both feet so I'm sure there will be many more to come.
Title: Re: Is it done?
Post by: oscarvan on December 04, 2010, 04:15:32 AM
Oh yes...... check the sig line..... Kölsch on Sunday.... after that a Belgian, probably Leffe clone and a Stout.

Oh, did I mention I designed an AG system that will fold up against the ceiling in "the barn" ( my workshop).....and, I think I have all the steel I will need from a dumpster diving expedition back in 06....... ;D