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Title: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: denny on November 30, 2010, 06:47:19 PM
Saw this on a couple other boards and wanted to let everybody here know, too.  Check out http://www.fiftypoundsack.com/ .  They go live tomorrow, but through today you can go there to get a discount code that won't be available after they open.  I don't really have much other info.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Kaiser on November 30, 2010, 06:57:16 PM
$65 or a sack of Best Malz Pilsner? I thought they were much cheaper when I bought them from North Country a while back.

But at least they carry Weyermann. There I was not surprised about the $59 price tag.

Jau
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: denny on November 30, 2010, 07:02:56 PM
Free shipping, though, as I understand.  I'll be curious to see how things work out once they open.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: blatz on November 30, 2010, 07:19:29 PM
Cool thanks denny!
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: bluesman on November 30, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
Thank you Denny!

I'll give them a try.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: dzlater on November 30, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
Free shipping, though, as I understand.  I'll be curious to see how things work out once they open.
If you click the "shipping" link it says shipping charges are based on weight
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Hokerer on November 30, 2010, 07:47:14 PM
Free shipping, though, as I understand.  I'll be curious to see how things work out once they open.
If you click the "shipping" link it says shipping charges are based on weight

Yeah, but if you actually click on a sack of malt, it says Free Shipping.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: theDarkSide on November 30, 2010, 08:04:32 PM
I'd like to see an "About Us" section on their website...unless I'm totally missing it. 

Even with free shipping, prices are a little higher than I get at North Country ( at least as long as they are still willing to sell to me ).  Nice to have options though.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: beersk on November 30, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
Cool, I'll probably give 'em a shot the next time I need grain.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: corkybstewart on November 30, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
After my recent password problem(which went away all by itself) I'm suspicious, and there are some things about this site that bother me.  Maybe it's just that they're still in the early phases of building a business but if you click on their hops there is no info at all, just the price.  No AA info, product descriptions, there's just not much here.  And the" today only" discount code with free shipping of 50-50 pound sacks of malt seem like a great hook, but since the site has no track record whatsoever I'm gonna pass for now.  I'd really like to buy 3 or 4 sacks with free shipping and a 10% discount but I can't make myself give up my credit card info.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 30, 2010, 11:27:51 PM
If you apply for federal brewers notice you still can shop in County Malt Supply group  ;D
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: dj99 on November 30, 2010, 11:42:30 PM
I'd like to see an "About Us" section on their website...unless I'm totally missing it.  

Ditto.  Can't trust a website without a physical address, even if they are really legit.

I'll check it again tomorrow to see if they add this information with phone #, address, etc.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: narcout on December 01, 2010, 04:56:23 AM
There's some more info on the NB forum:

http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=96340&start=0
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: abraxas on December 01, 2010, 05:19:55 AM
Looks like they are $20-30 more per sack than the local shop for me...
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: uthristy on December 01, 2010, 11:17:13 AM
The prices seem high but as shipping in incl. that does help,
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Hokerer on December 01, 2010, 02:49:20 PM
Looks like they are $20-30 more per sack than the local shop for me...

More important to me is that they've got a good selection of maltsters.  All our local shops dish up Muntons Marris Otter and Briess 2-row, neither of which do I want to use.  Because of that, I order bulk online and, with the free shipping, they look cheaper than when I order from North Country.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: denny on December 01, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
The opening has been pushed back ti Jan. 1.  From the website...

"Our opening has been pushed back as we are securing some new suppliers so we can open with a bigger selection and better pricing. It will be worth the wait, trust us. To help get the word out, here is a Grand Opening Coupon Code good for 10% off your entire purchase."
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: malzig on December 02, 2010, 02:26:38 AM
Looks like they are $20-30 more per sack than the local shop for me...
They're about $15+/ sack cheaper than any shop around here, but at least $10 more than I was getting from NorthCountryMalt.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: blatz on December 02, 2010, 03:40:48 AM
its all dependent on where you live relative to NCM vs. the 50lb guys

for me, everyone of their prices is slightly less than NCM.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: corkybstewart on December 02, 2010, 03:53:34 AM
Their prices are at least twice what I was paying at the brewpub down the road(40 miles) but the new brewer there has no love for homebrewers and will not let us piggyback on his malt orders like the 3 previous brewers would.  After 10 years of buying ultra cheap malt I may have to pay retail again.  Last year I bought 4 sacks, 210 pounds and paid a total of $102.  I should have bought 400 pounds.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: theDarkSide on December 02, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
Their prices are at least twice what I was paying at the brewpub down the road(40 miles) but the new brewer there has no love for homebrewers and will not let us piggyback on his malt orders like the 3 previous brewers would.  After 10 years of buying ultra cheap malt I may have to pay retail again.  Last year I bought 4 sacks, 210 pounds and paid a total of $102.  I should have bought 400 pounds.

A brewpub brewer with no love for homebrewers?  I think I would find a new place to take my business.  Was this person a homebrewer at one time I wonder?
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: corkybstewart on December 02, 2010, 01:25:25 PM
Their prices are at least twice what I was paying at the brewpub down the road(40 miles) but the new brewer there has no love for homebrewers and will not let us piggyback on his malt orders like the 3 previous brewers would.  After 10 years of buying ultra cheap malt I may have to pay retail again.  Last year I bought 4 sacks, 210 pounds and paid a total of $102.  I should have bought 400 pounds.

A brewpub brewer with no love for homebrewers?  I think I would find a new place to take my business.  Was this person a homebrewer at one time I wonder?
He never homebrewed.  He got a job at some mid sized brewery somewhere as a flunky and moved up the ladder.  Unfortunately it's the only brewpub within 200 miles of here, but since it's 40 miles away I rarely ever go there anymore.  He just doesn't want to be bothered by the dozen or so homebrewers in the area that might want to buy malt or hops.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: beveragebob on December 03, 2010, 10:22:42 AM
$68 bucks for Briess 2-row... I pay $25 for any 50# sack of Briess from my local Brewpub. If that changes, I'm getting a biz license and going wholesale myself and supply the local homebrew club with my cost plus 10% for the fees etc. of maintaining a biz. 
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Hokerer on January 04, 2011, 07:56:10 PM
The opening has been pushed back ti Jan. 1.  From the website...

"Our opening has been pushed back as we are securing some new suppliers so we can open with a bigger selection and better pricing. It will be worth the wait, trust us. To help get the word out, here is a Grand Opening Coupon Code good for 10% off your entire purchase."

Pushed back again, now the date is Jan 11
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Kaiser on January 04, 2011, 08:22:26 PM
I just browsed their grain selection, again, and noticed that they don’t sell any Vienna, light Munich or dark Munich. What’s up with that?

Kai
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Hokerer on January 04, 2011, 08:46:02 PM
I just browsed their grain selection, again, and noticed that they don’t sell any Vienna, light Munich or dark Munich. What’s up with that?

Kai


Well, they do say they've pushed the date back so that they can "open with a bigger selection and better pricing".  Hopefully that bigger selection will include those malts.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: jptheelder on January 12, 2011, 02:11:17 AM
so.... did they open today? the site still looks the same as beafor, saying this coupon will go away after we open.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: denny on January 12, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
I don't think they did.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Hokerer on January 12, 2011, 02:16:40 AM
yeah, I looked earlier today and I figured, well Jan 11 isn't technically over yet, so they've still got time.  If it still looks like that tomorrow, though, that's a different story.   :(
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: beerocd on January 13, 2011, 03:44:41 AM
They're open.
I want to order, not sure what to get.
$200 gets another 25 off...
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: brewmasternpb on January 13, 2011, 05:18:08 AM
I'm jealous at you guys who think that Malt is overpriced.  MY LHBS sells 50# sacks of Rahr 2-row for almost $70.  Has anyone ordered from this site yet?
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: euge on January 13, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
I'm jealous at you guys who think that Malt is overpriced.  MY LHBS sells 50# sacks of Rahr 2-row for almost $70.  Has anyone ordered from this site yet?

Free shipping? The prices look good to me. I b!tched for a while about prices a few years back and became resigned. This might make me LHBS free.

Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: maxieboy on January 13, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Most of the grain prices look good except for Briess 2 row - $68! My LHBS: $30/2r Brewers, $35/2r Pale Ale(before 10% AHA discount!). MO prices are about the same, so I will opt to have it delivered! Saves me 1 hr. round trip and $10 in gas!
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: edward on January 13, 2011, 06:15:13 PM
Looks like they've had their soft opening.

I asked them about crushing grain.  Here's the reply:

"We will definitely be adding a grain crushing option (8 cents/lb).  We have a professional brewery mill here and it is microadjustable and we usually run it at .034, but we adjust it down for smaller kernel grains (wheat, rye etc.)
 
Look for that option in the next week."

Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: ryantj on January 13, 2011, 06:27:40 PM
The admin contact for the DNS entry is someone at rebelbrewer.com. Other than looks the site layout and function is almost exactly the same. So is this really a new supplier? Don't get me wrong, the prices are not bad. I just don't like to be fooled.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: denny on January 13, 2011, 07:20:58 PM
Good sleuthing!
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: euge on January 13, 2011, 07:49:11 PM
As long as this is legit I see nothing dishonest with it. A new side-venture for the entrepreneurs that wasn't feasible under their standard by-the-pound grain?
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: tschmidlin on January 13, 2011, 11:24:12 PM
As long as this is legit I see nothing dishonest with it. A new side-venture for the entrepreneurs that wasn't feasible under their standard by-the-pound grain?
They are right next to each other . . . or maybe right across the way :)

www.fiftypoundsack.com
106 Space Park North
Goodlettsville, Tennessee 37072

Showroom Location: (rebelbrewer.com)
105 Space Park North
Goodlettsville, TN 37072
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: malzig on January 14, 2011, 12:37:44 AM
I can understand the desire to separate the small-scale sales from bulk sales, it gives them two separate identities for people looking for different things to find more easily.  Also, I appreciate the lack of scull and cross-bones imagery, which I always thought was a little screwy for a food product.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: beerocd on January 14, 2011, 01:35:02 AM
I've always heard good things about rebelbrewer on HBT. So if the same guys are running it, I am even more for it now.

So I was thinking 2 sacks Malteurope and 2 kinds of MO so I could compare them.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: tschmidlin on January 14, 2011, 06:19:26 AM
I haven't ordered anything from rebelbrewer, but I did ask them a bunch of questions and they were very responsive.  Good customer service IME, even though I'm not a customer.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: euge on January 14, 2011, 06:51:48 AM
I might order a sack or two of the Rahr 2-row. How is it?

Still can't get over free shipping. Some of you will say they make it up in the price but I'm already paying the equivalent with less choice. I bet there'll be some pissed off fedex or ups dudes carrying in those multi-bag orders... :)
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: blatz on January 14, 2011, 02:26:58 PM
I haven't ordered anything from rebelbrewer, but I did ask them a bunch of questions and they were very responsive.  Good customer service IME, even though I'm not a customer.

FWIW - I've used all of the major online retailers, and without a doubt Rebel is no 1 in service.  They are all very good, but Rebel is exceptional.  Plus they seem to get a lot of specialty one-off stuff that I don't see anywhere else (Falconers Flight hops, floor malted Bo-Pils malt, etc.) which is pretty cool.

euge - I just bought a sack of that myself (new LHBS in town that carries it) so no help there, but I did NOT like their Pale Ale malt.  Given that so many people love the 2-row, I am holding out hope that it is the goods.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: richardt on January 14, 2011, 02:56:01 PM
I haven't ordered anything from rebelbrewer, but I did ask them a bunch of questions and they were very responsive.  Good customer service IME, even though I'm not a customer.

I have used them for many things: my barley crusher malt mill, my grains, hops, my beersmith program, etc.

From personal experience, their customer service is exceptional (and it is why I prefer shopping online with them).
Two personal examples:
1.)  I bought my Beersmith link late November 2009, but didn't have time to do anything with it until after the holidays were over.  So, it was New Year's Day 2010 and I'm deciding to start the new year off right with setting up my brewing software.  But, the software install code wasn't working for some reason.  I fired off an e-mail, got a reply back within an hour and was using my software within 2 hours of my original e-mail to them.  How many of you would have headed over to the office at 3-4 pm on New Year's Day to obtain the software unlock code for a customer?  Tom at Rebel Brewer gets 5 stars for doing just that.
2.)  My Barley Crusher rod got bent and wouldn't work with a drill without excessive wobbling/vibration.  I sent an e-mail to Rebel Brewer and Tyler Crowell addressed the problem and got me in touch right away with Randy at Barly Crusher.  Randy sent me a new roller with drive shaft to replace to get my BC working again.  No charge.

Do you get this kind of customer service at most businesses?  At your LHBS?  I wish I did.  I concur with Blatz on this one--Rebel Brewer is #1 in service., supplies, options, and convenience (I'm not limited by office hours and the deliveries are to my door--saves me considerable time and money and for a lot less aggravation).  I'm also a small business owner and I know first-hand that the best thing you can do for your business is to take care of your customers and, in turn, your customers will take care of you.  Rebel Brewer is doing business the way it should be done. 
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Mark G on January 14, 2011, 06:11:02 PM
I might order a sack or two of the Rahr 2-row. How is it?

Still can't get over free shipping. Some of you will say they make it up in the price but I'm already paying the equivalent with less choice. I bet there'll be some pissed off fedex or ups dudes carrying in those multi-bag orders... :)
I really like the Rahr 2-row. I'm about 2/3 of the way through a sack right now. I've made a couple APA's and a stout with it as my base malt and been very pleased. My last sack of 2-row was Briess. I prefer the Rahr.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 14, 2011, 07:37:47 PM
I will try them sometime for a bag of Best Malz Pils.

The price on the Briess is, well, way too high.  A local place has it for $30, and I can get a 10% club/AHA discount.  At that price I will use Briess.  Many of the Michigan breweries use Briess.  We were at Shorts brewpub a while back, and all we saw were bags of Briess on the landing over the basement brewery.

Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: blatz on January 14, 2011, 07:47:50 PM
I will try them sometime for a bag of Best Malz Pils.

The price on the Briess is, well, way too high.  A local place has it for $30, and I can get a 10% club/AHA discount.  At that price I will use Briess.  Many of the Michigan breweries use Briess.  We were at Shorts brewpub a while back, and all we saw were bags of Briess on the landing over the basement brewery.



god - how do they make money at $27 a pop  :o

Jeff, do you know if Bell's uses Briess?  I was under the impression that they used Rahr but I may have just assumed that rather than actually substantiated it.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 14, 2011, 08:33:45 PM
I will try them sometime for a bag of Best Malz Pils.
The price on the Briess is, well, way too high.  A local place has it for $30, and I can get a 10% club/AHA discount.  At that price I will use Briess.  Many of the Michigan breweries use Briess.  We were at Shorts brewpub a while back, and all we saw were bags of Briess on the landing over the basement brewery.
god - how do they make money at $27 a pop  :o
Jeff, do you know if Bell's uses Briess?  I was under the impression that they used Rahr but I may have just assumed that rather than actually substantiated it.
At the AHA Rally Sept. 2008 at Bell's Comstock production plant, Larry Bell stated that they use Briess in most of their beers, to the point that Bells is Briess's largest account.  You do see stacks of bags of other grains and specialty grains at Bells.  everything I saw at Shorts brewpub was Briess.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: glastctbrew on January 14, 2011, 09:42:40 PM
The price on the Briess is, well, way too high.  A local place has it for $30, and I can get a 10% club/AHA discount.  At that price I will use Briess.  Many of the Michigan breweries use Briess.  We were at Shorts brewpub a while back, and all we saw were bags of Briess on the landing over the basement brewery.



$30 for the Briess 2 row? damn!  I can't get that from my LHBS!  The price 50 Pound Sack is charging for the Briess is a little less than I can buy it locally.

I ordered a sack of the Briess and the Crisp MO yesterday.  From what I am reading here, I'm going to grab some Rahr 2-row to do a side by side with the Briess to see how I like it. 
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 14, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
OK, it is a homebrew shop that is part of a brewery now, used to be stand alone.  They have a long term contract with Briess, so a low price.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: brewmasternpb on January 15, 2011, 05:56:24 AM


I ordered a sack of the Briess and the Crisp MO yesterday.  From what I am reading here, I'm going to grab some Rahr 2-row to do a side by side with the Briess to see how I like it. 
[/quote]

You should post if you get the order with no problems... sorry to ask you to be the guinea pig!
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: beerocd on January 15, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
Ordered

2 malteurope
1 crisp MO
1 weyermann pilsner

All for the low low price of .............     $185.40 delivered.


Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: maxieboy on January 15, 2011, 09:20:32 PM
OK, it is a homebrew shop that is part of a brewery now, used to be stand alone.  They have a long term contract with Briess, so a low price.

ThingsBeer?
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 15, 2011, 10:24:52 PM
Ding Ding Ding.  We have a winner!

One of those places I will stop if I am heading down I-96.

Not for the MBC beer, but to pick up some odds and ends for brewing.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: maxieboy on January 15, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
Not for the MBC beer
LOL. I hear ya. I worked at TB for a year several years ago. However, I would never turn down a shift beer(or 4)! You mean you're not down for Kid Rock's Bad Assbeer?!  :D
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 15, 2011, 10:54:24 PM
I have not had their beers in a while.  They were at a peak when Dan Rogers was there.  The guy from Big Rock who has won a lot a medals at the WBC and GABF the last couple years.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: maxieboy on January 15, 2011, 11:27:27 PM
I have not had their beers in a while.  They were at a peak when Dan Rogers was there.  The guy from Big Rock who has won a lot a medals at the WBC and GABF the last couple years.

His IPA at MBC was great. Helluva brewer, in anyone's opinion. I haven't had MBC beers in several years myself. Although, when I got some cheap grain yesterday,  I did hit the zwickel on a small batch IIPA there that was pretty tasty!
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: dean on January 16, 2011, 01:08:43 AM
I hope this new site is able to make money at those prices, as has been said the Briess is high but some of the others are sweet.  Thanks for the link Denny. 
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: glastctbrew on January 18, 2011, 05:37:51 PM


I ordered a sack of the Briess and the Crisp MO yesterday.  From what I am reading here, I'm going to grab some Rahr 2-row to do a side by side with the Briess to see how I like it.  

You should post if you get the order with no problems... sorry to ask you to be the guinea pig!
[/quote]

I never mind being a guinea pig.

 I'm working from home today and fedex just delivered my order.  Each sack came boxed.  They were packed to ensure minimal shifting during shipment.  While the boxes did show signs of wear from the shipping they were intact.  The sacks inside were in great shape.  I'm very satisfied with the condition of the grain on delivery.  The hardest part of this entire transaction was hefting the boxes to my storage area in the basement.  I will be using these guys again.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: brewmasternpb on January 20, 2011, 06:13:27 AM
I like the hop prices a lot as well.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Kaiser on January 20, 2011, 06:22:33 AM
I like the hop prices a lot as well.

they must have come down in general. I just put together my share of our club bulk order and all the hops I odered were less than $9 per pound.

Kai
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: euge on January 20, 2011, 06:30:22 AM
I like the hop prices a lot as well.

they must have come down in general. I just put together my share of our club bulk order and all the hops I odered were less than $9 per pound.

Kai

That's pretty good. Grain has come down some too. Unfortunately beer prices have gone up or stayed the same...  ??? Hmmmm I got a lot of expensive high AA hops in the freezer... Time to get to brewin!
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: zorch on March 23, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
I just ordered a few sacks of base malt from this site.   Overall an excellent experience.

Beware, though - If you register an account with them, they will send you a 'Thanks for Registering' email that contains YOUR PASSWORD IN THE CLEAR.    In this day and age, I frankly find it mind-boggling that an e-commerce site would do that.
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: Kit B on March 23, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
Looks like my LHBS has cheaper prices...But not the free shipping.
But, the gas to go a few miles is cost effective.

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/homebrewing-ingredients/grains.html
Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: matt.critchlow on March 23, 2011, 11:24:07 PM
I hope you passed this along to them. As you mentioned, this is horrible practice and could easily be compromised.

Glad to hear you had a good experience though, i've been going back and forth on placing an order with them.

I just ordered a few sacks of base malt from this site.   Overall an excellent experience.

Beware, though - If you register an account with them, they will send you a 'Thanks for Registering' email that contains YOUR PASSWORD IN THE CLEAR.    In this day and age, I frankly find it mind-boggling that an e-commerce site would do that.

Title: Re: New bulk grain supplier
Post by: zorch on March 24, 2011, 12:05:50 AM
I sent them an email expressing my displeasure, and received a prompt response.  Which I appreciate. 
Unfortunately, the gist of the reply was "Don't worry, your data is safe, we don't save your credit card info, etc etc".
Which really misses the point, which is from this point on that particular password is _burned_.

This illustrates an important point, which is that it is a very Bad Idea to re-use passwords from site-to-site.   But even so, I feel that it's reasonable to expect a web site to treat my passwords as privileged information, and not to share it with essentially the entire world for the rest of time by emailing it around.   Common sense, really.

So, bottom line - Check out as 'guest'.  It's not like you're really going to want to be on their spam list.


I hope you passed this along to them. As you mentioned, this is horrible practice and could easily be compromised.

Glad to hear you had a good experience though, i've been going back and forth on placing an order with them.

I just ordered a few sacks of base malt from this site.   Overall an excellent experience.

Beware, though - If you register an account with them, they will send you a 'Thanks for Registering' email that contains YOUR PASSWORD IN THE CLEAR.    In this day and age, I frankly find it mind-boggling that an e-commerce site would do that.