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Title: Black IPA underway
Post by: weazletoe on November 27, 2009, 08:48:17 PM
  I posted a couple days ago about mixing .5# of roasted barley in my IPA grain bill, at the LHBS. I got all picked out that I reasonably could. The brew is under way, but I now seem to have a black IPA. Oh well. I'm still making beer, eh?  ::)
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: bo_gator on November 27, 2009, 09:56:22 PM
I didn't know you actually brewed beer  ???
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: babalu87 on November 27, 2009, 10:28:09 PM
  I posted a couple days ago about mixing .5# of roasted barley in my IPA grain bill, at the LHBS. I got all picked out that I reasonably could. The brew is under way, but I now seem to have a black IPA. Oh well. I'm still making beer, eh?  ::)

DUDE!
You shoulda left it all in there

Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: majorvices on November 27, 2009, 11:16:57 PM
How can have a Black Pale ale?
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: KING__SIZE on November 27, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Keith, do drunk you think you is?

And weaze, most beer styles were mistakes... Stout for example, imagine the cheap bastard that burned his barley and made beer with it anyway. Post pics, I'm interested.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: babalu87 on November 28, 2009, 01:28:13 AM
How can have a Black Pale ale?

I have an answer but there is NO WAY it is PC
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: weazletoe on November 28, 2009, 03:00:13 AM
I didn't know you actually brewed beer  ???


"Brew beer" is a very loose term I use for what I do.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: majorvices on November 28, 2009, 01:00:23 PM
Keith, do drunk you think you is?

And weaze, most beer styles were mistakes... Stout for example, imagine the cheap bastard that burned his barley and made beer with it anyway. Post pics, I'm interested.


ha. ha. ha. FWIW it is not the beer that bugs me, it is the semantics.  :P I love the idea of a Black IPA - even asked Babalu for a recipe recently) I just wish someone would come up with a more clever name. Not me. I've tried. I'm not clever enough.  ::)
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: bendbrew on November 28, 2009, 02:19:58 PM
Deschutes  Brewery has a Black IPA at their Public House.  Here is the info from their site:

Hop Switch Black IPA
Pub Exclusive
The Black IPA (becoming widely known as a ‘Cascadia’ Ale for it’s inception here in the Pacific NW. Made with wonderfully complex dark malts and a myriad of hop varieties, you might just find yourself rethinking your favorite beer.
IBU’s 68.5 | Alcohol by Vol.  6.3%
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: beerocd on November 28, 2009, 02:27:29 PM
How can have a Black Pale ale?

I have an answer but there is NO WAY it is PC

You must be a white middle class male. Anyone else woulda just said what they were thinking and it'd be funny.  :P
IPA - Noir
Roasted IPA
Black IPA is probably the best.

-OCD

Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: majorvices on November 28, 2009, 02:45:50 PM
Just doesn't make sense. How can something be Black and Pale? The term "pale ale" came about because the beers were not brown or black.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: a10t2 on November 28, 2009, 02:59:06 PM
How about India Black Ale? Like DFH's India Brown Ale.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: beerocd on November 28, 2009, 03:00:24 PM
Just doesn't make sense. How can something be Black and Pale? The term "pale ale" came about because the beers were not brown or black.

It's an oxymoron; like Jumbo Shrimp.
Why does it have to make sense? It's just a name not a new style.

-OCD
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: majorvices on November 28, 2009, 03:09:11 PM
I guess if it is an oxymoron I can go along with that.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: babalu87 on November 28, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
How can have a Black Pale ale?

I have an answer but there is NO WAY it is PC

You must be a white middle class male. Anyone else woulda just said what they were thinking and it'd be funny.  :P
IPA - Noir
Roasted IPA
Black IPA is probably the best.

-OCD



I didnt want to get into politics but:
We have a man residing in the White House who is half American (white), half Kenyan (black) and raised by his white Grandparents yet he is our first black President?

Its a Black IPA  ;D
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: babalu87 on November 28, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
How about India Black Ale? Like DFH's India Brown Ale.

I think if they ever make it a style thats what they'll go with
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: majorvices on November 28, 2009, 03:27:39 PM
Just to be clear, I have no qualms about the style. For me it is purely semantics. I am no style nazi. But, IMO "Black IPA" has a certain ring to it I like better than India Black Ale (IBA). I just get hung up on the Black/Pale part. If you could change the "P" to another term that would better reflect the beer that would make more sense.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: beerocd on November 28, 2009, 03:38:00 PM


I didnt want to get into politics but:
We have a man residing in the White House who is half American (white), half Kenyan (black) and raised by his white Grandparents yet he is our first black President?

Its a Black IPA  ;D

There ya go, now don't you feel better?
And it was funny!
Thanks for sharing.

-OCD
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: beerocd on November 28, 2009, 03:44:37 PM
Just to be clear, I have no qualms about the style. For me it is purely semantics. I am no style nazi. But, IMO "Black IPA" has a certain ring to it I like better than India Black Ale (IBA). I just get hung up on the Black/Pale part. If you could change the "P" to another term that would better reflect the beer that would make more sense.

"P" can be piceous (which means brownish-black) - but then if you use black it's redundant -
and if you omit black it's confusing to the original IPA.
BTW - that's \pie*see*us\

-OCD
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: a10t2 on November 28, 2009, 03:47:52 PM
I'm a Scorpio.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: babalu87 on November 28, 2009, 03:49:35 PM
Black IPA
Indian Ports Ale

The first IPA's went to India
On ships that moored in Ports
The beer was an Ale

BAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: weazletoe on November 28, 2009, 07:48:55 PM
I dunno Major, I have a ton of black friends. On more than one occasion, I have seen them go pale!  ;D

Would IBA, in place of IPA, make you feel better?
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: majorvices on November 28, 2009, 08:01:17 PM
Call it what you want my friend. Just save a pint for me.  ;)
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: blatz on November 28, 2009, 08:30:47 PM
Keith - don't know if you get Stone by you, but if you do, see if you can get Stone Sublimely Self Righteous.

http://www.stonebrew.com/sublimely/

That beer sums it all up perfectly. Easily the most "wow" factor I've gotten out of a commercial beer in over a year, maybe longer.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: yeastmaster on November 28, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
Sounds like an interesting beer.  I just made a red ale by adding 2 oz of roasted barley to my blonde ale recipe.  Fantastic results, completely different beer with just a little bit of roasted barley.  I'm sure that the 1/2 pound will make it quite black but I bet it will be fun to drink.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: bluesman on November 30, 2009, 06:09:27 PM
So Weaze...what was your recipe for the whatCHAcallit Black Ale?
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: weazletoe on December 01, 2009, 09:22:12 PM
So Weaze...what was your recipe for the whatCHAcallit Black Ale?


Real simple......7.5# 2 row, 1# carapils, and an undetermined amount of roasted barley. Maybe 1/8 #.

1 oz Cascade FWH
1.5 oz Cascade @ 60
.5oz Cascade @ 30
1 oz Cascade @ 15
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: yeastmaster on December 01, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
My "RedHeaded Stepchild" is similar to this recipe.  It is 2 row, carapils, wheat malt, and 2 oz of roasted barley.  It has a very nice red color to it and a nice mild roasted flavor.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: bluesman on December 02, 2009, 02:48:13 PM
How about some dry hopping.  8)

Looks good..and I'm certain it will taste even better.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: jeff on December 04, 2009, 07:55:56 AM
I brewed a Black IPA a few weeks ago.  It turned out great.  As suggested by my wife we're calling "Darker Shade of Pale", with a nod to Procol Harum.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: yeastmaster on December 04, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
I brewed a Black IPA a few weeks ago.  It turned out great.  As suggested by my wife we're calling "Darker Shade of Pale", with a nod to Procol Harum.

Ha! This weekend I am brewing a "Paler Shade of Ale" as my own nod to Procol Harum ::)
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: sheldorich on December 04, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
I recently brewed a double 'IBA' (Imperial Black Ale). In a 5.5 gal recipe I used .75 lbs of 420L Carafa Special II as my dark grain because I didn't want much if any roasted flavor to come through. It has turned out to be one of the best beers I've ever had!!!  9.5% abv - SRM 26.3 - IBU's 302.5 (calculated)
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: blatz on December 04, 2009, 03:32:54 PM
IBU's 302.5 (calculated)

 :o :o
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: bluesman on December 04, 2009, 06:06:33 PM
IBU's 302.5 (calculated)

 :o :o

Might want to let those babies age out a few years or so.  ;D
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: nicneufeld on December 04, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
I did an all Centennial Black IPA a while back...used sinamar and debittered black malt, and it still came out a bit too roasty (think schwarzbier) for me, because in my mind I was going to brew a beer that looked like a stout but tasted like an IPA.  Basically the point of the beer was to trick my friends who had themselves believing that they drank "real, strong beer" (Guinness) when they couldn't handle a modest IPA!  :D

I ended up just enjoying a slightly roasty IPA and brewed a chipotle IPA to REALLY trick them!  :D  Once I provided some friends having a party with four bottles of the same and challenged them to see who could down their 12oz the fastest.  Only two finished...I wish I could have been there.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: dbeechum on December 04, 2009, 09:04:27 PM
A friend of mine does a beer periodically called "Black Perle" DIPA and it pretty much has one of the dumbest hop schedules I've ever seen. (The full recipe can be found in the Everything Homebrewing Book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1605501220?ie=UTF8&tag=stoutguycom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1605501220).)

This is for a 5.5 gallon batch:

2.00 ounces Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 90 minutes
1.00 ounce Perle (13.0 percent AA) Pellet—for 90 minutes
0.15 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 60 minutes
0.15 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 60 minutes
0.15 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 55 minutes
0.15 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 55 minutes
0.16 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 50 minutes
0.16 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 50 minutes
0.17 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 45 minutes
0.17 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 45 minutes
0.20 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 40 minutes
0.20 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 40 minutes
0.24 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 35 minutes
0.24 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 35 minutes
0.30 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 30 minutes
0.30 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 30 minutes
0.37 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 25 minutes
0.37 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 25 minutes
0.45 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 20 minutes
0.45 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 20 minutes
0.56 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 15 minutes
0.56 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 15 minutes
0.75 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 10 minutes
0.75 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 10 minutes
1.00 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 5 minutes
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: blatz on December 04, 2009, 09:05:51 PM
thats comical dbeechum!  :o
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: bluesman on December 04, 2009, 09:24:10 PM
A friend of mine does a beer periodically called "Black Perle" DIPA and it pretty much has one of the dumbest hop schedules I've ever seen. (The full recipe can be found in the Everything Homebrewing Book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1605501220?ie=UTF8&tag=stoutguycom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1605501220).)

This is for a 5.5 gallon batch:

2.00 ounces Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 90 minutes
1.00 ounce Perle (13.0 percent AA) Pellet—for 90 minutes
0.15 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 60 minutes
0.15 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 60 minutes
0.15 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 55 minutes
0.15 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 55 minutes
0.16 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 50 minutes
0.16 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 50 minutes
0.17 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 45 minutes
0.17 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 45 minutes
0.20 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 40 minutes
0.20 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 40 minutes
0.24 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 35 minutes
0.24 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 35 minutes
0.30 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 30 minutes
0.30 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 30 minutes
0.37 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 25 minutes
0.37 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 25 minutes
0.45 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 20 minutes
0.45 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 20 minutes
0.56 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 15 minutes
0.56 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 15 minutes
0.75 ounce Cascade (6.8 percent AA) Whole—for 10 minutes
0.75 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 10 minutes
1.00 ounce Chinook (14.3 percent AA) Whole—for 5 minutes

How about some dry hops in that stew.  ;D
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: dbeechum on December 04, 2009, 09:38:49 PM
How about some dry hops in that stew.  ;D

thats comical dbeechum!  :o

Yes indeedly it is amazingly comical. Aside from it being a good beer, I included it in the book for the comical effect!

As for the dry hops, you'd think there would be some, but the notes I was provided didn't have any!
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: weazletoe on December 04, 2009, 11:07:06 PM
One could certainly not get bored during that brew.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: babalu87 on December 05, 2009, 01:59:25 AM
One could certainly not get bored during that brew.

Too much work IMNSHO  :P
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: dimik on December 08, 2009, 06:35:18 PM
This recipe looks like the "60 minute IPA" where they add some hops every minute for full hour.
This thing is probably so bitter, one can't even feel any malt or even hops for that matter. IMO this much hops would just overwhelm each other and result in tasting like bitter over-boiled spinach.
That's just what I think, correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: dbeechum on December 08, 2009, 07:00:34 PM
That's just what I think, correct me if I'm wrong.

If you're talking the Black Perle... actually it was surprisingly drinkable and approachable. Yes, you're not going to be able to hand it off to a person who doesn't already like bitter beers, but it was well done.
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: dirtyjerzey on December 09, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
11oz!?!?  :o

I just did some continuous hopping in my recent batch of The Red Hoptober...not quite as meticulous or methodical though....that's a tight schedule to keep, but damn I'm sure that hop profile is nice....

Curious how mine is going to turn out... ::)
Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: tygo on December 31, 2009, 03:07:50 AM
Was just reading through the new issue of Zymurgy and read the "Another Great GABF" article.

Quote from: Jill Redding
Among the many diversions at the festival, the Brewers Studio Pavilion offered several educational seminars.  One of the seminars I attended was on "what's new in craft brewing."  Here's the scoop:

 - Black IPAs:  Stone head brewer Mitch Steele presented on this growing style, which he described as a "black beer that has more in common with a schwarzbier, and is hopped like an IPA."

Title: Re: Black IPA underway
Post by: deepsouth on December 31, 2009, 03:59:22 AM
i brewing a black ipa this weekend (hopefully).  iirc, stone 11th/sublimely self righteous is a black ipa and a wonderful brew.  i can't wait to brew one myself.  it will be my first all grain venture.