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Title: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: denny on December 09, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
Check the last page....


http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/how-to-plans/beer-recipes-how-to-home-brew?src=rss#fbIndex1
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Tim McManus on December 09, 2010, 08:27:22 PM
Congrats to Kai!

His recipe is the 11th one on the list.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: bluesman on December 09, 2010, 08:34:37 PM
Kai is the one and only Imperial Brewing Geek.   ;)

Way to go Kai!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 09, 2010, 08:35:33 PM
Is that the one that was at the NHC, Kai?  That was a winner.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Kaiser on December 09, 2010, 09:12:45 PM
Thanks.

Is that the one that was at the NHC, Kai?  That was a winner.

Yes that was the one. The recipe changes slightly from year to year based on what I have and what I want to try. But the basics of some Pils, mostly dark Munich and some crystal and other specialty malts remain the same.

Chris contacted me about this and I let him use the recipe on my web site. The picture is not mine but I would have happily supplied one. I forgot about this article until now.

Kai
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: dbeechum on December 09, 2010, 09:15:31 PM
Awesome sauce.. and now I'm jealous.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: James Lorden on December 09, 2010, 09:16:13 PM
Kai,  Awesome man! How important do you feel the double decoction is to that recipe?
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: blatz on December 09, 2010, 09:22:02 PM
way to go Kai!

I've tasted that beer, and it is easily one of the best doppelbocks I have had.

Prost!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: majorvices on December 09, 2010, 09:40:56 PM
How cool is that? Way to go!  8)

BTW: Can you still buy the kit to make a hovercraft out of a vacuum from the back of that magazine? I always wanted that as a kid.  :D
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: beersk on December 09, 2010, 09:41:42 PM
Nice work, Kai.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: chezteth on December 09, 2010, 11:25:29 PM
Congrats, Kai !!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: denny on December 09, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
How cool is that? Way to go!  8)

BTW: Can you still buy the kit to make a hovercraft out of a vacuum from the back of that magazine? I always wanted that as a kid.  :D

I always wanted the surplus jeep packed in cosmolene!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: a10t2 on December 09, 2010, 11:58:29 PM
Damn that's cool. Way to go Kai!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Kaiser on December 10, 2010, 03:43:34 AM
Kai,  Awesome man! How important do you feel the double decoction is to that recipe?

Thanks and I'd love to be able to say that it is essential for this beer but I can't. While I haven't brewed this beer w/o a decoction I think that you get most, if not all, of the flavor through good fermentation. This means having enough yeast, pitching cold, fermenting below 50F (I think I'll try 45F next time I brew this), making sure the yeast doesn't leave too many residual sugars behind (fast ferment test is important) and allowing the beer to age. I believe that some oxidation may be needed for the latter. This is what I mean with aging at cellar temps for 3-4 months.

Kai
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: beveragebob on December 10, 2010, 07:46:41 AM
Good job Kai! What yeast strain did you use? I may have missed it but, I don't see it.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: bluesman on December 10, 2010, 01:18:58 PM
This means having enough yeast, pitching cold, fermenting below 50F (I think I'll try 45F next time I brew this), making sure the yeast doesn't leave too many residual sugars behind (fast ferment test is important) and allowing the beer to age. I believe that some oxidation may be needed for the latter. This is what I mean with aging at cellar temps for 3-4 months.
Kai

Kai...We're brewing a Dopplebock tomorrow.  I think I'll follow suit and pitch in the low to mid forties and ferment below 50F
We're using 50/50 Munich and Vienna with a small addition of crystal malt. Although we're are going to use a single infusion at 156F.
I was going to decoct but changed my mind. Do you think a single infusion will be adequate?

Oh...also forgot to mention we're using WLP833 yeast slurry from an Ofest.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: James Lorden on December 10, 2010, 02:52:35 PM
Kai,  Awesome man! How important do you feel the double decoction is to that recipe?

Thanks and I'd love to be able to say that it is essential for this beer but I can't. While I haven't brewed this beer w/o a decoction I think that you get most, if not all, of the flavor through good fermentation. This means having enough yeast, pitching cold, fermenting below 50F (I think I'll try 45F next time I brew this), making sure the yeast doesn't leave too many residual sugars behind (fast ferment test is important) and allowing the beer to age. I believe that some oxidation may be needed for the latter. This is what I mean with aging at cellar temps for 3-4 months.

Kai

I was also thinking that those malts already have loads of volatile aromatic compounds from the maillard reaction (see how much easier it is to just say melanoidins guys, sticklers for technicalities around here 8)) so wasn't sure what the flavor contribution would be.  Also, assuming the malt is well modified.  Looks like a great recipe, I think I might try to brew it in the next week or two ex- the decoction.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Slowbrew on December 10, 2010, 07:32:36 PM
How cool is that? Way to go!  8)

BTW: Can you still buy the kit to make a hovercraft out of a vacuum from the back of that magazine? I always wanted that as a kid.  :D

I always wanted the surplus jeep packed in cosmolene!

So did I.  Dad was about to order one, one day.  Then Mom got wind of it.  She started going on about Dad having broken his back in one in the Army, 8 month recovery, back problems forever and on and on and on...  We never got a jeep.  :'(

Paul
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Slowbrew on December 10, 2010, 07:34:37 PM
Oh ya!!!  Congrats Kai!!!!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: blatz on December 10, 2010, 07:58:29 PM
Although we're are going to use a single infusion at 156F.
I was going to decoct but changed my mind.

Ron - that's pretty high on that temp given the grist, OG and yeast, no?

I just did a 50/50 munich I/II bock with 3% caramunich III, mashed at 152, 1.066 OG  and got 76% AA (and this is with super yeast - 4th pitch).

carbed up what didn't fit in the kegs in a 2L bottle and the body is spot on.

Just a data point to consider if you go the single infusion route with these lower DP munich malts.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: bluesman on December 10, 2010, 08:06:35 PM
Although we're are going to use a single infusion at 156F.
I was going to decoct but changed my mind.

Ron - that's pretty high on that temp given the grist, OG and yeast, no?


I'll talk it over with redbeerman...thanks.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: majorvices on December 10, 2010, 10:38:19 PM
Although we're are going to use a single infusion at 156F.
I was going to decoct but changed my mind.

Ron - that's pretty high on that temp given the grist, OG and yeast, no?

I just did a 50/50 munich I/II bock with 3% caramunich III, mashed at 152, 1.066 OG  and got 76% AA (and this is with super yeast - 4th pitch).

carbed up what didn't fit in the kegs in a 2L bottle and the body is spot on.

Just a data point to consider if you go the single infusion route with these lower DP munich malts.

+1 - you want this thing to attenuate. Too sweet and it becomes cloying. If you can't drink at least 1 L you screwed up.  ;)
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: bluesman on December 10, 2010, 11:05:08 PM
Although we're are going to use a single infusion at 156F.
I was going to decoct but changed my mind.

Ron - that's pretty high on that temp given the grist, OG and yeast, no?

I just did a 50/50 munich I/II bock with 3% caramunich III, mashed at 152, 1.066 OG  and got 76% AA (and this is with super yeast - 4th pitch).

carbed up what didn't fit in the kegs in a 2L bottle and the body is spot on.

Just a data point to consider if you go the single infusion route with these lower DP munich malts.

+1 - you want this thing to attenuate. Too sweet and it becomes cloying. If you can't drink at least 1 L you screwed up.  ;)

Kai used 153 in his recipe soooo...maybe that's the number to aim for.

Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: majorvices on December 11, 2010, 12:23:27 AM
153? LOL. Only Kai could tell the difference between a wort mashed at 152 and 153.  :P Probably a conversion over from celcius. I'm not a precise - 150-152 for nearly all my single infusion beers, excluding some belgians.
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Kaiser on December 11, 2010, 02:38:47 AM
That would be neat if I could tell that difference.

Keep in mind that the 153 sacc rest is for the decoction mash shown there. If you are using a single infusion mash you want to mash lower. 148-150 is a good start. 

The reason is that the decoction brings in lots of dextrins on which the b-amylase can get to work much quicker than in a single infusion mash. Hence it doent need much time and you need a higher temp to stop it faster.

Kai
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: tschmidlin on December 11, 2010, 06:34:32 AM
That's awesome Kai, congrats!
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: 1vertical on December 11, 2010, 07:11:19 AM
I've been reading this mag since a small young lad...that is so impressive.
I am standing in awe...WOW
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: beveragebob on December 14, 2010, 06:39:54 AM
What yeast strain did you use?
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: Kaiser on December 14, 2010, 11:48:26 AM
What yeast strain did you use?

I have been going back and forth between WY2206 and WLP833.

Kai
Title: Re: Kai in Popular Mechanics!
Post by: beveragebob on December 14, 2010, 04:06:02 PM
Thanks Kai!