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Title: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on December 14, 2010, 02:31:45 AM
Looking at mills.....

After a lot of reading it seems that the JSP Maltmill is a very nice piece of equipment that just plops down on a 5 gallon bucket and does the business, after which you can dump the content of the bucket where you need it..... no muss, no fuss. I like it.

But there are (always) choices. The pre-set, the one side adjustable and the two sides adjustable..... Any experience out there? Is it necessary to spend the extra moulah for the adjustability? Or does the preset one work good, last a long time?
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: bluesman on December 14, 2010, 02:40:29 AM
I use the JSP Maltmill. As you said just rest it on a five gallon bucket and start milling. I use a 1/2" Dewalt electric drill to operate the mill. Next year I would like to build a milling station. Attach a small motor and install a large hopper to automate the process along. I really like the JSP...it hasn't let me down in some 50 batches so far.

"knock on wood"  8)
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on December 14, 2010, 02:44:14 AM
Glad you like it. Is yours adjustable and if so, have you ever used that feature?
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: a10t2 on December 14, 2010, 05:19:38 AM
FWIW, I have and like a Barley Crusher, which is adjustable and also fits on a bucket. I'd get an adjustable mill. Over your brewing career the cost difference will be negligible, and you never know when you might need it.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: euge on December 14, 2010, 06:50:14 AM
FWIW, I have and like a Barley Crusher, which is adjustable and also fits on a bucket. I'd get an adjustable mill. Over your brewing career the cost difference will be negligible, and you never know when you might need it.

The Barley Crusher was my choice as well. It's adjustable, fits a 5 gallon bucket and has a pretty big hopper- will hold 7 pounds of grain. The price is/was good. I run mine with a drill, but for just a few pounds it's no problem to crank it out.

If you can fab up something then a Crankanstein or a Monster Mill might suit you. A tri-roller perhaps sir?  :)
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: bluesman on December 14, 2010, 10:28:17 AM
Glad you like it. Is yours adjustable and if so, have you ever used that feature?

I have the adjustable model and have never adjusted it. The mill is factory set at .040" and produces a perfect crush IMO. I wanted to have the ability to adjust the mill if needed but I've been very happy with my results so "don't fix what's not broken"
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on December 14, 2010, 12:18:51 PM
OK then. I'm not hearing any complaints about the product or the customer service, so I'll go with the fixed, and trust that if there's something wrong it will be taken care of. Yes, there is a large washing machine pulley and motor hiding somewhere in my "parts department"......... ;D
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: jeffy on December 14, 2010, 12:26:35 PM
I have the adjustable JSP mill, which I motorized several years ago.  I do occasionally adjust it, e.g. when milling raw wheat.  This mill is at least 15 year old and still works as good as new.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: gmwren on December 14, 2010, 03:47:22 PM
One more JSP adjustable mill close to 15 years old cranked with a 18VDC drill. To get a uniform grind and a boost in efficiency, I've gone to a double grind. I set the rollers (eyeball) to get a light crush for the first round, then tighten the gap (eyeball again) to get a more uniform crush. This helps when using malts of various kernel sizes.
One note, there is a risk of stuck mashes if you mill too fine, but that's what the eyeball is for, so you can get it just right.
Only complaints about the older model JSP is the small hopper and breakable O-ring that drives the second roller.
If I ever had to replace it, I would go with a three roller adjustable mill.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: aubeertine31 on December 14, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
Just curious, but can you buy a drill bit for that purpose or a similar one, if making your own? My LHBS has a drill set up into theirs and it looks like it would be pretty easy to set-up, but haven't had a chance to see whats churning in there.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: tschmidlin on December 14, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
The drill just drives the roller, you just need to make sure that the drill will fit on the mill.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: blatz on December 14, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
I have a Barley Crusher that I've used for the past 5 years - put about 1.5-2 tons of grain through it in that time.  Its finicky and aggravating at times, but right now it works fine for me (hope it doesn't hear me type that :-) ).

If I could do it all over again, I'd buy a Monster Mill - bigger rollers (diameter and length), more solid construction, and it looks like deeper knurling (sp?).

Every time I have issues with the BC, I swear at it and tell it I'm buying a MM tomorrow and for some reason it starts cooperating for the remainder of the grist.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on December 14, 2010, 09:17:47 PM
Every time I have issues with the BC, I swear at it and tell it I'm buying a MM tomorrow and for some reason it starts cooperating for the remainder of the grist.

I am trying the same technique on my kids but unlike your mill ... well ...
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: lonnie mac on December 14, 2010, 10:03:39 PM
I have a Barley Crusher that I've used for the past 5 years - put about 1.5-2 tons of grain through it in that time.  Its finicky and aggravating at times, but right now it works fine for me (hope it doesn't hear me type that :-) ).

If I could do it all over again, I'd buy a Monster Mill - bigger rollers (diameter and length), more solid construction, and it looks like deeper knurling (sp?).

Every time I have issues with the BC, I swear at it and tell it I'm buying a MM tomorrow and for some reason it starts cooperating for the remainder of the grist.

This is my case as well. I love the dang dang thing and it has served me very well for years. It is simply worn out at this point. The knurling is very worn, and it works kinda ok one time, and on the other hand it can take me fidgeting for hours to get it to mill one batch. You can flop the idle roller, that will help just a bit, it I've about worn out that method too...

I have a MM on the way from Fred, with hopper and five gallon bucket base...
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: maxieboy on December 15, 2010, 03:22:03 AM
JSP non-adj in a stand w/inverted plastic carboy hopper here. Powered by a Milwaukee 1/2" Hole Hawg. Nary a hiccup in 150 10g batches.  8)
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: markaberrant on December 15, 2010, 03:28:45 AM
I use the JSP Maltmill. As you said just rest it on a five gallon bucket and start milling. I use a 1/2" Dewalt electric drill to operate the mill.

This is how mine is setup too.  I have the adjustable model, and have it set so I can just barely see light between the rollers - works great for me, no stuck mashes and it helped get me to above 80% efficiency on standard gravity beers with a batch sparage.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on December 15, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
OK, JSP N/A it is.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: tom on December 16, 2010, 02:54:17 AM
Check out their "barebones" ordering page:  http://schmidling.com/bbordpp.htm
I made my own base to fit the buckets and just use an inverted plastic 5 gallon water bottle as the hopper.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on December 16, 2010, 02:56:58 AM
Yup, saw that.... There's a shelf in the WSBW that may get incorporated into the thing....
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on December 16, 2010, 02:25:39 PM
Ordered. Just figgered out that this is "in house" DOH!.......Well, at least I know where to find customer service.... ;D
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: blatz on February 12, 2011, 04:51:49 PM
I have a Barley Crusher that I've used for the past 5 years - put about 1.5-2 tons of grain through it in that time.  Its finicky and aggravating at times, but right now it works fine for me (hope it doesn't hear me type that :-) ).

If I could do it all over again, I'd buy a Monster Mill - bigger rollers (diameter and length), more solid construction, and it looks like deeper knurling (sp?).

Every time I have issues with the BC, I swear at it and tell it I'm buying a MM tomorrow and for some reason it starts cooperating for the remainder of the grist.

This is my case as well. I love the dang dang thing and it has served me very well for years. It is simply worn out at this point. The knurling is very worn, and it works kinda ok one time, and on the other hand it can take me fidgeting for hours to get it to mill one batch. You can flop the idle roller, that will help just a bit, it I've about worn out that method too...

I have a MM on the way from Fred, with hopper and five gallon bucket base...

update:  I finally got fed up last month and plunked down to buy a MM2.0.  First use last night: oh. my. gawd.  :o I kept asking myself "Why didn't I make the switch sooner?"  This makes the BC seem like a rickety child's toy.  Very, very happy with the upgrade.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on February 12, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
blatz do you know the throughput of this mill?
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: gsandel on February 12, 2011, 11:37:55 PM
+1 on the Monster Mill.....It is adjustable but I have never run it other than on the pre-set gap....works beautifully.....buying 2 row in 50 lb sacks rather than by the pound alone is paying for the upgrade.  Not to mention the time (and Money) saved not hanging around the LHBS.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: Hokerer on February 13, 2011, 01:49:48 AM
Only mill I've ever had is the Monster so I don't really have a point of comparison, but I love mine.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: Hydro on February 19, 2011, 03:16:18 PM
I have a Barley Crusher that I've used for the past 5 years - put about 1.5-2 tons of grain through it in that time.  Its finicky and aggravating at times, but right now it works fine for me (hope it doesn't hear me type that :-) ).

If I could do it all over again, I'd buy a Monster Mill - bigger rollers (diameter and length), more solid construction, and it looks like deeper knurling (sp?).

Every time I have issues with the BC, I swear at it and tell it I'm buying a MM tomorrow and for some reason it starts cooperating for the remainder of the grist.

This is my case as well. I love the dang dang thing and it has served me very well for years. It is simply worn out at this point. The knurling is very worn, and it works kinda ok one time, and on the other hand it can take me fidgeting for hours to get it to mill one batch. You can flop the idle roller, that will help just a bit, it I've about worn out that method too...

I have a MM on the way from Fred, with hopper and five gallon bucket base...

Lonnie thanks for the update: 
I went ahead and ordered a MM3-2.0
My order summary
Descriptions Amount

6" long, 2" diameter, 3-Roller knob adjustable gap drill drive grain mill
$349.00 Item number: MM3-2.0
Options: Roller Material: 303 SS
Item price: $349.00


Base & Hopper for Monster Mill - MM3-2.0
Item number: MMHB-320
Item price: $40.00
Quantity: 1


Extension set for Monster Mill Hopper
Item number: MM-EXT
Item price: $25.00
Quantity: 1

Shipping and Handling
Shipping and HandlingShipping and Handling
Item price: $36.40
Options: Via: USPS Priority (FRB1)

Item total $450.40

I chose the Stainless Steel rollers to avoid the possibilities of rust.  I plan on pre-moistening
my grains the before milling.  Read an article in Zymurgy discussing the bennifits.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: gmac on March 04, 2011, 04:05:33 AM
Wish I had read this two hours ago.  Just ordered a Crankenstein 3- roller mill.  Picking it up tomorrow.  Anyone have any thoughts on this mill?  Was this a mistake?  Do I need 3 roller or would 2 have done it?  I know I need to rig up a hopper etc with it, not that concerned about that part.  I think it adjusts in 9 setting, 0.005 inch per setting.  Anyway, not much time to reply but should I cancel it and go with one of the ones mentioned here or is this a decent mill?
Thanks
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on March 06, 2011, 08:43:29 PM
2 roller mill is just fine.
Both mills are good mills.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: euge on March 11, 2011, 06:43:39 PM
I have a Barley Crusher that I've used for the past 5 years - put about 1.5-2 tons of grain through it in that time.  Its finicky and aggravating at times, but right now it works fine for me (hope it doesn't hear me type that :-) ).

If I could do it all over again, I'd buy a Monster Mill - bigger rollers (diameter and length), more solid construction, and it looks like deeper knurling (sp?).

Every time I have issues with the BC, I swear at it and tell it I'm buying a MM tomorrow and for some reason it starts cooperating for the remainder of the grist.

This is my case as well. I love the dang dang thing and it has served me very well for years. It is simply worn out at this point. The knurling is very worn, and it works kinda ok one time, and on the other hand it can take me fidgeting for hours to get it to mill one batch. You can flop the idle roller, that will help just a bit, it I've about worn out that method too...

I have a MM on the way from Fred, with hopper and five gallon bucket base...

update:  I finally got fed up last month and plunked down to buy a MM2.0.  First use last night: oh. my. gawd.  :o I kept asking myself "Why didn't I make the switch sooner?"  This makes the BC seem like a rickety child's toy.  Very, very happy with the upgrade.

I'm about fed up with my BC (sshhhhhh) since it has become so finicky as to be almost unusable. Going to disassemble it and clean everything. It worked great for about a year then I started having trouble getting the grain to feed through, and it is getting worse. Hopefully, a the breakdown will solve the problem, but at this point I'm tentatively removing my endorsement of the Barley Crusher. :-\ I'll email them to see what the problem might be.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: gmac on March 11, 2011, 07:17:55 PM
I ground my first batch with the 3 roller crankandstein and it worked very well.  I think it could be a bit too fine (very floury) but there's room for adjustments.  I copied a hopper design off the web (just google it) and it worked ok too although it doesn't hold the whole grain bill.  Probably took me no more than 5 min to grind 12 lbs with a cordless drill.  No idea what speed but it was set on low, about 1/4 throttle.  Tried to mimic what I figured I'd get grinding it by hand. 
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: Mark G on March 11, 2011, 09:00:35 PM
How do the husks look? Are they still somewhat intact? Got any pictures?
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: gmac on March 12, 2011, 12:59:14 AM
How do the husks look? Are they still somewhat intact? Got any pictures?
This is what I got out of mine today.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cancichfan/IMG_0903.jpg)
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on March 12, 2011, 02:35:02 AM
How it looks is one thing.....

How did it drain?
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: gmac on March 12, 2011, 03:46:33 AM
How it looks is one thing.....

How did it drain?

Actually it drained amazingly well.  I have a tap on my cooler and it flowed like a garden hose.  I was quite happy with that aspect.
Title: Re: Malt Mill
Post by: oscarvan on March 12, 2011, 03:28:27 PM
How it looks is one thing.....

How did it drain?

Actually it drained amazingly well.  I have a tap on my cooler and it flowed like a garden hose.  I was quite happy with that aspect.

Cool......MASH ON!