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Title: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: phillamb168 on January 12, 2011, 08:31:58 AM
That $270 is for one person? How much is it if I want to take my wife with me? As it is, if I decided to go it's going to be about $1,500 for plane tickets, $1,100 for hotel and then $270 x 2, which all said and done comes to a little more than $3,000. That doesn't include food and stuff of course. Does anybody else pay this much? I realize not all of you are coming from overseas, nor are you staying a week in the hotel, but jeez, this seems like an expensive thing.

Are the conventions usually on the west coast? Any chance that next year it'll be in NYC or something a little easier to get to?

Are there any not-qute NHC conventions that go on besides the GABF? I want to meet you guys in person, but not if it's going to cost a month's salary.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: myh3adhur7s on January 12, 2011, 08:57:06 AM
I am in the place as you with the NHC being really expensive and not just the event tickets. I just did a cost analysis today and realized that it is is going to cost about 2.5 grand for me to. but contrary to your cost that includes everything with food and all. IT would add up to  the 3 grand with possible lost wages and over time and the use of half of my vacation time.

It kinda sucks. I guess I can create my own version by brewing all weekend.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: euge on January 12, 2011, 09:07:27 AM
Where do you get $270? http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/registration/ (http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/registration/)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: phillamb168 on January 12, 2011, 10:00:48 AM
Where do you get $270? http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/registration/ (http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/registration/)


Typo, sorry. Still, $230 vs $270 is only $40 difference. Not complaining about the cost of entry, I know that needs to be priced the way it is, but the question remains as to whether or not the NHC is always west of the Rockies. I have no idea and am making no assumptions, I'm just asking.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: phillamb168 on January 12, 2011, 10:01:47 AM
Maybe theoman and I can have a little European NHC :-p
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tschmidlin on January 12, 2011, 10:36:13 AM
I wouldn't recommend the full conference for your wife unless she is into brewing.  She might be happy with the social package and the banquet (and maybe not even that) and having free time to explore the area while you are in lectures.

I've never spent that much money ($3K), but then I'm not coming from Europe.  I think $1500 was the max for me (1 person) for flight, hotel, and conference fees.  It should be a little cheaper for me this year since it's on the West coast, but in the past several years the conference has been in locations closer to you.  Roughly by distance from France . . . places like Baltimore, Orlando, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Oakland . . . so no, it's not always on the West coast.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: phillamb168 on January 12, 2011, 10:47:31 AM
I wouldn't recommend the full conference for your wife unless she is into brewing.  She might be happy with the social package and the banquet (and maybe not even that) and having free time to explore the area while you are in lectures.

I've never spent that much money ($3K), but then I'm not coming from Europe.  I think $1500 was the max for me (1 person) for flight, hotel, and conference fees.  It should be a little cheaper for me this year since it's on the West coast, but in the past several years the conference has been in locations closer to you.  Roughly by distance from France . . . places like Baltimore, Orlando, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Oakland . . . so no, it's not always on the West coast.

So can we have it in Iceland next year? That's halfway for both of us! :-)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tumarkin on January 12, 2011, 11:14:33 AM
I wouldn't recommend the full conference for your wife unless she is into brewing.  She might be happy with the social package and the banquet (and maybe not even that) and having free time to explore the area while you are in lectures.

I've never spent that much money ($3K), but then I'm not coming from Europe.  I think $1500 was the max for me (1 person) for flight, hotel, and conference fees.  It should be a little cheaper for me this year since it's on the West coast, but in the past several years the conference has been in locations closer to you.  Roughly by distance from France . . . places like Baltimore, Orlando, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Oakland . . . so no, it's not always on the West coast.

So can we have it in Iceland next year? That's halfway for both of us! :-)

Unfortunately, Iceland wouldn't work, though I'd love to go there. The conference does rotate around, but one of the key factors is having a number of home brew clubs in an area that are willing to work together to put it on. There's a LOT of work that needs doing, and all of that by volunteers from clubs.

I'm looking at the same issues, but coming from Florida. I haven't been to an NHC in a few years though I used to go regularly (by myself). Looking at taking my wife and making a vacation out of it. Still deciding. Finances still tight with the economy.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: theDarkSide on January 12, 2011, 12:40:39 PM
I've heard Philly rumors for next year, but again they are just rumors ( or wishful thinking on my part - I could take a train there ).

Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tygo on January 12, 2011, 12:53:48 PM
I've heard Philly rumors for next year, but again they are just rumors ( or wishful thinking on my part - I could take a train there ).

Yeah, that'd be awesome if that were to happen.  Philly I could actually make happen.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: myh3adhur7s on January 12, 2011, 05:38:40 PM
I've heard Philly rumors for next year, but again they are just rumors ( or wishful thinking on my part - I could take a train there ).



That would even work for me. But until then the money i had alocated is going to be used for an all grain system.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: denny on January 12, 2011, 05:42:29 PM
While we will be on the east coast soon, it won't be next year.  As has been pointed out, the main thing about a location is to have a local organization step up and put it on.  The AHA doesn't decide on a location, then look for people to do it.  We wait until someone brings us a proposal.  If you want the NHC closer to you, get a group together and submit a proposal.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: theDarkSide on January 12, 2011, 06:09:14 PM
While we will be on the east coast soon, it won't be next year.  As has been pointed out, the main thing about a location is to have a local organization step up and put it on.  The AHA doesn't decide on a location, then look for people to do it.  We wait until someone brings us a proposal.  If you want the NHC closer to you, get a group together and submit a proposal.

Great...sounds like another West Coast trip...Seattle? Portland? 

I hear you about the local club support, but I doubt 1200 homebrewers are going to come to Manchester, NH.  Not even sure we have to hotel capacity to handle something like this.  Boston would be the closest big city but good luck getting any favorable rates at hotels or convention space in June.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: dbeechum on January 12, 2011, 06:26:35 PM
Not even sure we have to hotel capacity to handle something like this.  Boston would be the closest big city but good luck getting any favorable rates at hotels or convention space in June.

Welcome to part two of the convention conundrum. Getting volunteer groups together is the first bit of pain. (It's a lot of work, but it's fun.. look at me I'm helping on my 4th). Where the convention is right now sizewise is the second. We've been in Manchester before, but that was when the conference was a lot smaller. Now we're at that tipping point size that shunts us more and more towards bigger cities.  Personally, I'd give my eye teeth for a conference in Boston. Be nice to go visit the old stomping grounds again. The main reason we could make San Diego work this year was because the conference hotel (awesome site) offered us a greatly discounted rate that we're unlikely to see again.

At least Manchester would be more capable than my grandparent's town of Jackson NH!

East Coasters you'll feel the love soon. Scout's honor! No lies! Everyone on the staff and the GC loves finding new cities. The airports are interesting on the way to and from the conference hotel! :)

Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: Hokerer on January 12, 2011, 06:30:23 PM
The airports are interesting on the way to and from the conference hotel! :)

...and just think, if it weren't for those silly TSA rules, the flights themselves could also be "interesting"
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: theDarkSide on January 12, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
At least Manchester would be more capable than my grandparent's town of Jackson NH!

Come on Drew...we could have it at Storyland. :)

Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: dbeechum on January 12, 2011, 07:40:44 PM
we could have it at Storyland. :)

Oh man.. I'm still sad that they closed Heritage next door. I honestly think I enjoyed it more than I did Storyland, but I was always a weird kid who could be motivated to do chores by a trip to the science museum.

 
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: denny on January 12, 2011, 08:04:20 PM
I was always a weird kid

WAS??   ;)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tschmidlin on January 12, 2011, 09:20:18 PM
I hear you about the local club support, but I doubt 1200 homebrewers are going to come to Manchester, NH.
Personally I don't care all that much where it is.  I arrive wednesday, leave sunday, and rarely leave the hotel.  There's just too much to do right there.  I would be great if I could go early and do some exploring, but my wife isn't going for that yet.

So if you have enough local support, a decent airport, a big enough venue, and a reasonable room rate, I think you should submit a bid.

I'd like to see a VA or NC one too!
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: SiameseMoose on January 12, 2011, 09:39:49 PM
If you're in a place that wants to host it, it's fairly easy to get enough local support. When we did it here in Cincinnati, once we made it known we were making a bid, a lot of people stepped up with offers of help. Once we actually won the bid, people came out of the woodwork to help! The local Convention and Visitors Bureau was also a big help.

I think the tough part is finding a hotel. It has to be pretty darn big to handle the size we're grown to, with plenty of meeting space. At it's 2010 size, there is no longer a hotel in Cincinnati big enough to host, and we had it here only a few years ago (2008). The even harder part is finding a place willing to allow outside alcohol. For most hotels, that's a total non-starter. When getting bids here, one banquet manager essentially threw us out. Another made a bid, and then corporate made them retract it. No outside-alcohol events at all for Hilton.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: MDixon on January 12, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
The ideal locale in NC is of course Asheville, but the airport is minuscule and there is no large convention facility. The better airports are over an hour away and it would strain everyone to do it, so I doubt it would happen. Raleigh or Charlotte could put on the show from a facility standpoint, but our club isn't large enough to host in Raleigh and IMO Charlotte isn't quite there from a pre-conference standpoint unless the brewery tour was to Asheville (not an impossibility and potentially a HECK of a good time). The Charlotte club is massive and certainly has the manpower to handle it, the willpower might be another story  ;)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tschmidlin on January 12, 2011, 11:04:41 PM
The Charlotte club is massive and certainly has the manpower to handle it, the willpower might be another story  ;)
That's the biggest obstacle, it's a huge lift and you need to have motivated people.

Mike, is yours the only club in the RDU area?  I would have guessed there were more or at least one large club.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: punatic on January 13, 2011, 05:42:48 AM
The airports are interesting on the way to and from the conference hotel! :)

...and just think, if it weren't for those silly TSA rules, the flights themselves could also be "interesting"

San Diego is about as close as it will ever get for me now.  I have even made a hotel reservation.  Don't know if I'm up for flying commercial anymore.  Way too much invasion of privacy for my liking.

Take it back to NOLA again and I'll swim through the Panama Canal to get there if I have to!
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: phillamb168 on January 13, 2011, 07:13:13 AM
Talked to the wife about it and she immediately said, "Don't worry about me, if you want to go you should!" So maybe I'll be there after all ;-)

So, I suppose having the NATIONAL Homebrewer's Convention in Paris is out? There are no open container laws here, you know.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: euge on January 13, 2011, 07:22:19 AM
(http://www.sanantonio.gov/convfac/images/Convention_Center_Skyline_small.jpg) (http://www.sanantonio.gov/convfac/HBGCC/hbgoverview.asp)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tschmidlin on January 13, 2011, 07:28:47 AM
Talked to the wife about it and she immediately said, "Don't worry about me, if you want to go you should!" So maybe I'll be there after all ;-)

So, I suppose having the NATIONAL Homebrewer's Convention in Paris is out? There are no open container laws here, you know.
I'm going to do my best to make it no matter where it is, and I think if you could guarantee 1500 attendees the AHA might go for it.

And open container laws are mostly irrelevant, like I said, I rarely leave the hotel.  Too much going on and too much homebrew to be had.  For Paris though, I could see turning it into a real vacation!
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: alikocho on January 13, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
  It should be a little cheaper for me this year since it's on the West coast, but in the past several years the conference has been in locations closer to you.  Roughly by distance from France . . . places like Baltimore, Orlando, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Oakland . . . so no, it's not always on the West coast.

I feel I should point out that the difference in Transatlantic flights isn't that great between East and West Coast as the polar route is roughly the same flight time/distance as crossing the Atlantic.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: alikocho on January 13, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Talked to the wife about it and she immediately said, "Don't worry about me, if you want to go you should!" So maybe I'll be there after all ;-)

So, I suppose having the NATIONAL Homebrewer's Convention in Paris is out? There are no open container laws here, you know.
I'm going to do my best to make it no matter where it is, and I think if you could guarantee 1500 attendees the AHA might go for it.

And open container laws are mostly irrelevant, like I said, I rarely leave the hotel.  Too much going on and too much homebrew to be had.  For Paris though, I could see turning it into a real vacation!

I'd come to Paris for sure - even take the train. But in all seriousness, maybe those of us in Europe should think about putting together an annual European convention. Think of all the great brewing cities we could go to!
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: MDixon on January 13, 2011, 12:34:13 PM
Mike, is yours the only club in the RDU area?  I would have guessed there were more or at least one large club.

We have two clubs in the area, Carboy and Trub is 20 min down the road in Durham. Trub is more into the tasting aspect. We have clubs scattered across the state, DEA, ATF, BBG, CBM, MALT, High Country, CLASS, Worthawgs...I might be missing one. The problem is NC is a wide state. MALT's (Asheville) closest club is an hour away, next 1.5, then 2.5, 4, 5.5...so it makes it tough to offer assistance. CBM (Charlotte) closest are about 1-1.5 hours, and I believe they could handle it, but they already put on a beer festival for 5000 people and it drains their members and takes a ton of planning. The NHC would really be a killer.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: phillamb168 on January 13, 2011, 04:15:53 PM
Talked to the wife about it and she immediately said, "Don't worry about me, if you want to go you should!" So maybe I'll be there after all ;-)

So, I suppose having the NATIONAL Homebrewer's Convention in Paris is out? There are no open container laws here, you know.
I'm going to do my best to make it no matter where it is, and I think if you could guarantee 1500 attendees the AHA might go for it.

And open container laws are mostly irrelevant, like I said, I rarely leave the hotel.  Too much going on and too much homebrew to be had.  For Paris though, I could see turning it into a real vacation!

I'd come to Paris for sure - even take the train. But in all seriousness, maybe those of us in Europe should think about putting together an annual European convention. Think of all the great brewing cities we could go to!

Now that's an idea. But seriously, there is no governing body for this sort of thing in Europe (at least nothing of which I am aware) - is there any precedent for the AHA pairing up with an equivalent sister organization in another country or region? There's not a whole lot of homebrewing going on around me but I know there's a decent amount elsewhere, although it's never been organized.

Seriously this would be a cool thing - the European Homebrewers' Association.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tschmidlin on January 13, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
Now that's an idea. But seriously, there is no governing body for this sort of thing in Europe (at least nothing of which I am aware) - is there any precedent for the AHA pairing up with an equivalent sister organization in another country or region? There's not a whole lot of homebrewing going on around me but I know there's a decent amount elsewhere, although it's never been organized.

Seriously this would be a cool thing - the European Homebrewers' Association.
Australia does a homebrewers conference, you could start small and see where it goes.
http://www.anhc.com.au/home/
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: alikocho on January 13, 2011, 05:58:09 PM
Talked to the wife about it and she immediately said, "Don't worry about me, if you want to go you should!" So maybe I'll be there after all ;-)

So, I suppose having the NATIONAL Homebrewer's Convention in Paris is out? There are no open container laws here, you know.
I'm going to do my best to make it no matter where it is, and I think if you could guarantee 1500 attendees the AHA might go for it.

And open container laws are mostly irrelevant, like I said, I rarely leave the hotel.  Too much going on and too much homebrew to be had.  For Paris though, I could see turning it into a real vacation!

I'd come to Paris for sure - even take the train. But in all seriousness, maybe those of us in Europe should think about putting together an annual European convention. Think of all the great brewing cities we could go to!

Now that's an idea. But seriously, there is no governing body for this sort of thing in Europe (at least nothing of which I am aware) - is there any precedent for the AHA pairing up with an equivalent sister organization in another country or region? There's not a whole lot of homebrewing going on around me but I know there's a decent amount elsewhere, although it's never been organized.

Seriously this would be a cool thing - the European Homebrewers' Association.

Everything has to have a beginning...This is something that could be thought of more seriously, and the AHA may be able to help with thinking about how one might do it.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: punatic on January 13, 2011, 06:01:39 PM
(http://www.sanantonio.gov/convfac/images/Convention_Center_Skyline_small.jpg) (http://www.sanantonio.gov/convfac/HBGCC/hbgoverview.asp)


Pretty cool that there's a water tower next to the convention center like that!  Are you suggesting that we could fill the tower with beer if the NHC is held there?  Wow... talk about a beer bong!!
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: beerocd on January 14, 2011, 01:55:49 AM
(http://www.sanantonio.gov/convfac/images/Convention_Center_Skyline_small.jpg) (http://www.sanantonio.gov/convfac/HBGCC/hbgoverview.asp)


Isn't that the SixFlags SkyTrek? We could spin, and drink, and puke from really up high - it'd be awesome!

I have no delusions about AHA coming to Chicago. Everyone who already holds conventions here is running to Florida. ($$$)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 14, 2011, 02:03:32 AM
Phil - You do have the travel to contend with, and you combine with a home leave from your job?  Don't know your situation.

We have been combining the NHC with some beer travel and other recreation.

2009 in Oakland was combined with a few days near Yosimite.  I hiked to the top of Yosimite falls one day, and that was big fun.

2010 in Minneapolis was combined with a stop at New Glarus, and a stop to see my sister and BIL in Northern WIsconsin.

2011 San Diego will be seeing friends in Orange County, a niece who recently moved to Temecula, and maybe Death Valley or some other parks.

We try and get extra out of the travel to NHC.  

Edit: Once the conference starts you hardly have a chance to see the sun, let alone the city and area.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: MDixon on January 14, 2011, 12:18:46 PM
Our MO is to arrive on Monday and play around until either Wednesday night or if there is a good pre-conference event. For Oakland we went through wine country on a beer tour of our own then returned for the Iron Liver bus ride, for Minn we trekked to Madison and hit the local breweries, brewpubs and draft houses before returning to MN, and for San Diego we plan to visit a majority of the breweries and brewpubs in the area before the conference begins.
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: theDarkSide on January 14, 2011, 01:30:06 PM
The Brewing Network typically does their anniversary party the Wednesday night of conference week.  Last year they teamed up with Northern Brewer for their 17th Anniversary ( the BN was the 5th ).  I watched from home on the live video feed :(  Not as much fun.

Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: tschmidlin on January 14, 2011, 08:02:40 PM
I usually arrive on Wednesday, but this year I might make it as early as Saturday to do a little touring around.  It should be a lot of fun. :)
Title: Re: Convention prices... :-(
Post by: bluesman on January 14, 2011, 11:29:39 PM
I'm scheduled to arrive on Wed. but didn't get a return ticket as of yet.  ::)

I reserved my room for 4 nights and plan to return home on Sunday. The biggest cost is the hotel but when you compare it to other resorts it's really not bad at all. I am always looking for a better deal but in this case there's really no other option AFAIAC. Really looking forward to this awesome event!