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Title: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: liquidbrewing on January 13, 2011, 07:02:22 PM
I've brewed this recipe a few times now and it has always turned out good.  However the first time I brewed it, it had a really nice apricot/peach aroma to it.    I've never been able to re-capture that smell/taste, following the recipe exactly.  Any help as to which hop might be contributing that flavor would be greatly appreciated.  This is my first original IPA, so there's quite a smattering of different types of hops!

Kyptonite IPA

13# 2-row
1#   C-40
.5 # Caravienne
.5 #  Carapils

Mashed at 147 for 75 minutes
Batch Sparge...

Boiled for 75 mins

1.5 oz Chinook  60 min
1 oz   Galena    60
1 oz   Chinook   30
1 oz   Warrior    30
1 oz   Simcoe   10
1 oz   Citra       10

Fermented at app 68 degrees for a week then added:

1 oz Amarillo
1 oz  Crystal  dry hopped with both of these for a week, cold crashed for one day, then kegged @ 12 psi.  Served one week after kegging.

OG  1.070
FG  1.013

I would really love to recapture that taste.  I've had a lot of commercial IPA's and never tasted it before.   Help!! ???
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: tschmidlin on January 13, 2011, 07:30:16 PM
A lot of people report apricot/peach aroma from simcoe.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: jeffy on January 13, 2011, 09:37:27 PM
Although it was probably the hops, you can get a peach ester from the fermentation, too.  Do you remember the yeast or the temps?
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: richardt on January 13, 2011, 09:49:18 PM
Citra has a citrusy and tropical fruit type of profile.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: gimmeales on January 13, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
A lot of people report apricot/peach aroma from simcoe.

I've always heard Simcoe was THE 'piney' hop - not having brewed with it, I was going to get a pound and try a few batches.  So is it peach or pine in others experiences?
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: liquidbrewing on January 13, 2011, 10:14:32 PM
I used Fermentis US-05 in all three batches.  And it didn't ferment too high.  If it did, this was definitely an on-flavor!! ;D  Also, I brewed an all Maris Otter, Simcoe recently and no peach or apricot.  It was all dank/spicy/peppery, but quite tasty.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: tschmidlin on January 13, 2011, 11:16:28 PM
A lot of people report apricot/peach aroma from simcoe.

I've always heard Simcoe was THE 'piney' hop - not having brewed with it, I was going to get a pound and try a few batches.  So is it peach or pine in others experiences?
I find it to be more piney, but I can see why people would get peach.

It could be the citra, some people report peach with that too.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: EHall on January 13, 2011, 11:52:31 PM
You could possibly be getting a different nuance from the hops from a different crop/season...
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: deepsouth on January 14, 2011, 01:51:59 AM
forgive me in advance for this tangent, but since both hops have been mentioned in this thread.......

why do i read that simcoe and/or citra are akin to cat urine?  i've used both ALOT, and never got cat anything.....

different tastebuds?
different growing regions?
different seasons (as mentioned above)?
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 14, 2011, 02:04:29 AM
forgive me in advance for this tangent, but since both hops have been mentioned in this thread.......

why do i read that simcoe and/or citra are akin to cat urine?  i've used both ALOT, and never got cat anything.....

different tastebuds?
different growing regions?
different seasons (as mentioned above)?

Age of the hops and amount of oxidation?
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: deepsouth on January 14, 2011, 02:23:44 AM
forgive me in advance for this tangent, but since both hops have been mentioned in this thread.......

why do i read that simcoe and/or citra are akin to cat urine?  i've used both ALOT, and never got cat anything.....

different tastebuds?
different growing regions?
different seasons (as mentioned above)?

Age of the hops and amount of oxidation?


the ones i used were fresh or well stored.  i'm not sure about other peoples. 

i had first read some threads about citra resembling it, but i never got it.  this was over a year ago.  since then i have googled it and found plenty of references for citra and simcoe.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: chezteth on January 14, 2011, 03:21:50 AM
I recently brewed a double IPA using Simcoe (along with other hops) at flameout.  When I opened the bag of Simcoe hop pellets there was a noticeable apricot/peach aroma.  When fermentation was complete there was a noticeable apricot/peach aroma to the beer.  Based on this I would say the apricot/peach aroma is from the Simcoe hops.  Just my $0.02
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: mainebrewer on January 14, 2011, 01:03:15 PM
I have read that US-05 can give a peach/apricot flavor.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: majorvices on January 14, 2011, 01:10:41 PM
US-05 can give a slight peach character - but Citra is probably the culprit here. It has a distinct "artificial-like" mango/peach flavor. To me it tastes like artificial-mango flavoring in fruit tea. I'll admit, I'm not a big fan. Simcoe has more pine than citrus, but it can have "some" fruity character as well. But Citra is absurdly peachy/mangoy.

Also, Crystal has a distinct lemon character to it. So the character you are getting is probably a combination of more than one hop. But if your really want mango/peach Citra is your key.

BTW: YUCK!  ;)
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: richardt on January 14, 2011, 02:00:35 PM
I like both citra and simcoe.  I've made a very good IPA using those hops (along with cascade and summit).  Yes, it was very fruity, and the aroma and flavor profile did change over time (less peach/apricot within weeks). 

It is hard to find good info about various hop profiles.  Wiki is weak in this regard.  You might find this site helpful--it does a good job listing various flavors and aromas you may encounter.  I find lists like these helpful when creating recipes or trying out a beer that uses a hop I haven't encountered before.  http://roguebrewers.com/Hop_Profiles.html (http://roguebrewers.com/Hop_Profiles.html).  It states the following:

CITRA 10-11% All Purpose
Very fruity Citrus, peach, apricot, passion fruit, grapefruit, lime, melon, gooseberry, lychee fruit, pineapple, mango, papaya and other tropical fruit flavors and aromas.  A very new high alpha Hallertauer Mittelfrüh, Tettnanger, EKG  hybrid with distinctive citrus aroma.
Use For: Pale ales, IPA
Substitutes: Simcoe ,and other fruity citrusy "C" hops

SIMCOE - 12-14%  - Bittering - Flavor
Aromas of passionfruit, apricot, Intense pine and woodsy aroma adds to the fresh, youthful vigor of this complex hop.  Dual purpose but generally considered a bittering hop. 
Used For: American Ales, IPAs, Double IPAs
Subs: Amarillo Cascade Centennial (a blend of these might come closer)



Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: bonjour on January 14, 2011, 02:13:51 PM
My thought was Citra Peach
But I saw Amarillo which I frequently get apricot out of.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: majorvices on January 14, 2011, 02:24:08 PM
Yeah, Amarillo does have some peach as well (more than Simcoe IMO) - but Citra is a peach/mango explosion. I tried an all Citra pale ale once and I found it undrinkable. But others actually enjoyed it. Me thinks they were nutz.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: blatz on January 14, 2011, 02:30:25 PM
Yeah, Amarillo does have some peach as well (more than Simcoe IMO) - but Citra is a peach/mango explosion. I tried an all Citra pale ale once and I found it undrinkable. But others actually enjoyed it. Me thinks they were nutz.

I'm with you entirely on Citra Keith - I gave away the second keg of my Citra/Simcoe APA last year - yeck.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: tschmidlin on January 14, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
That's funny, I haven't gotten peach from amarilllo at all.  I guess it can come from a lot of sources, and possibly an interaction from several.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: majorvices on January 14, 2011, 11:28:01 PM
That's funny, I haven't gotten peach from amarilllo at all.  I guess it can come from a lot of sources, and possibly an interaction from several.

Its buried underneath the grapefruit. ;)
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: tschmidlin on January 15, 2011, 06:35:22 AM
That's funny, I haven't gotten peach from amarilllo at all.  I guess it can come from a lot of sources, and possibly an interaction from several.

Its buried underneath the grapefruit. ;)
It must be ;D  And although I don't get nearly as much grapefruit now as I did when it was first introduced, I still find it far more citrusy than peachy  :)
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: majorvices on January 15, 2011, 02:34:18 PM
Since my IPA has both Amarillo and Simcoe in it I'm not sure now which is more peachy. I was trying to discern this yesterday as I was drinking one. Somewhat coincidentally, just yesterday I kegged an experimental one-off batch in which I blended just a little Citra in with some other hops (don't have notes with me right now) and POW! Got that mango/peach character all over the place. More pleasant this time since I used it more sparingly, and in a blend. But I still think that Citra is the key to the OPs question. Its amazing to me how powerful this hop is.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: bluesman on January 15, 2011, 02:37:09 PM
This is very subjective but I have a batch of Amarillo that is citrusy (grapefruit,orange,sweet). However as Fred has indicated I can also detect some peach sweetness in there as well underneath the grapefruit and orange.  ;)

I'm wondering how much variation we are seeing from crop to crop and harvest to harvest. I haven't use Citra enough to give an accurate flavor profile but I wasn't very impressed with it.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: beerocd on January 15, 2011, 02:43:44 PM
More pleasant this time since I used it more sparingly, and in a blend. But I still think that Citra is the key to the OPs question. Its amazing to me how powerful this hop is.

Can you convert "sparingly" to either metric or imperial units?
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: liquidbrewing on January 15, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
It sounds like it's the Citra to me.  Just ordered a pound from hopsdirect.com  Thanks guys.  I'll repost after I brew it and let you guys know.  It seems like most of the posters don't like that flavor, but I thought it was awesome!!
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: richardt on January 15, 2011, 06:10:28 PM
I personally like fruity flavors and aromas, so Citra sits well with me, too.  I think it does best when used along with other hops (like simcoe, summit, cascade, centennial, and/or amarillo, for example).  I personally love SN Torpedo Extra IPA, though, like some have suggested, I have noticed some variability in the fruity/citra character of that beer since it first came out a few years ago.  I don't know how much of that is due to hop variability from year to year versus recipe changes at SN.
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: dean on January 16, 2011, 12:59:49 AM
I've used all Amarillo and only once has it had what I would call an apricot flavor, no grapefruit to it at all that time and it was the first batch I made after opening and dividing my pound up into smaller quantities.  I've tried to reproduce it so many times that it just irritates me to even think about trying it again.  I haven't been able to reproduce it since that first time, everybody liked it. 

I think it was the freshness of the hops as well as the age of the yeast which was US-05 also.  I think it may have been under-pitched due to the age of the yeast perhaps.

Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: dean on April 12, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
I personally like fruity flavors and aromas, so Citra sits well with me, too.  I think it does best when used along with other hops (like simcoe, summit, cascade, centennial, and/or amarillo, for example).  I personally love SN Torpedo Extra IPA, though, like some have suggested, I have noticed some variability in the fruity/citra character of that beer since it first came out a few years ago.  I don't know how much of that is due to hop variability from year to year versus recipe changes at SN.

I like them too sometimes, I'll have to try some Citra I guess but another cause can be esters from underpitching or fermenting temperatures... think brew like a monk.   As much as we claim to most of us probably can't be sure 100% what temperature we ferment at and yeast viability is another S.W.A.G... especially if its sat more than a month or so.  JMO...
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: Beer Monger on April 12, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
I recall some peach/apricot notes from an Avery Dugana I had recently.  Good stuff.  :) 
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: Bret on April 13, 2011, 08:51:27 PM
All of the replies focus on hops.  OP does not mention which yeast he used in the original recipe.  It is extremely possible that the yeast AND hops used caused the prominence of peach flavor.  You need to try to reproduce the recipe (as close to) exactly as it was first brewed.

BTW Keith is right. yuck.

edit for typo (English major)
Title: Re: Apriocot/Peach flavor in IPA, what hop is it??
Post by: beveragebob on April 13, 2011, 09:05:55 PM
I've got a lb of Citra I haven't used yet. I think I'll take Sierra Nevada's(Torpedo, Hoptima) lead and use it as dry hops only along with another one of the traditional "C" hops.