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Title: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: roguejim on January 18, 2011, 04:42:26 AM
My LHBS is charging around $4.50 each.  Is this high?
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: euge on January 18, 2011, 05:03:30 AM
My LHBS is charging around $4.50 each.  Is this high?

Yes!

I pay $2.75 now and it used to be $1.50 a couple years ago. But aging so were hops...
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: a10t2 on January 18, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
If you have a vacuum sealer, you could buy the 500 g bricks. They run about the equivalent of $1 a sachet.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: 1vertical on January 18, 2011, 06:23:48 AM
If you have a vacuum sealer, you could buy the 500 g bricks. They run about the equivalent of $1 a sachet.
Sean, how long does this keep in vacuo?? I want a goodly stash of s-189,
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: tomsawyer on January 18, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
My LHBS is charging $3.75 for US05, $3.50 for S04.  Since the price hike I mostly just spend an extra few bucks and go for the liquid yeasts, although I keep a pack of each on hand for emergencies.  I reuse yeast so it generally ends up only costing a buck or so a batch.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: Hokerer on January 18, 2011, 02:14:21 PM
I've got the best deal.  Free from the slant in my fridge (actually 1056, not US-05, though).  Also, 1450, 1084, WLP023, 1007, 3068, & 1214.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: a10t2 on January 18, 2011, 03:28:45 PM
Sean, how long does this keep in vacuo?? I want a goodly stash of s-189,

The rule of thumb is that vacuum packed and at refrigerator temps, viability drops by 4%/month. I don't know that I agree that that's accurate, or at least that it's constant. Our stash of dry yeast at the brewery is closing in on its 2-year date, and I'm not picking up any of the off-flavors I'd expect from pitching yeast that was only ~40% viable. With two years being the published expiration date, I'd say you should be fine for at least that long.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: tomsawyer on January 18, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
So its around $50 a brick?  You'd probably spend that much more on the vacuum bags.  That'd take you upwards of $2 a pack.

I've got the best deal.  Free from the slant in my fridge (actually 1056, not US-05, though).  Also, 1450, 1084, WLP023, 1007, 3068, & 1214.


How long does it take to raise up a batch from a single colony?  I'd expect you would need to really plan ahead.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: denny on January 18, 2011, 04:56:16 PM
Around $3.95 at my LHBS.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: roguejim on January 18, 2011, 08:22:06 PM
I've got the best deal.  Free from the slant in my fridge (actually 1056, not US-05, though).  Also, 1450, 1084, WLP023, 1007, 3068, & 1214.

How much do you spend in DME to increase the population to a pitchable size, i.e., equivalent to a Wyeast smack pack?
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: Hokerer on January 18, 2011, 09:14:20 PM
How long does it take to raise up a batch from a single colony?  I'd expect you would need to really plan ahead.

With a slant, you're not raising up from a single colony (that's usually what you use plates (petri dishes) for).  I grab a couple of loopfuls from the slant and put it into a 12ml vial with 10ml of wort in it.  Give that a day and then dump that into a quarter-pint jar of wort.  Give that a day and then dump it into a 500ml flask along with an additional pint of wort and stir plate it.  Give that a day or two and then dump it into a 2L flash along with an additional quart of wort and stir plate it until ready to brew.

So all in all, maybe about a week.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: Hokerer on January 18, 2011, 09:17:45 PM
I've got the best deal.  Free from the slant in my fridge (actually 1056, not US-05, though).  Also, 1450, 1084, WLP023, 1007, 3068, & 1214.

How much do you spend in DME to increase the population to a pitchable size, i.e., equivalent to a Wyeast smack pack?

$0.00.  I don't use DME for anything.  My starter wort is whatever's left over after I brew a batch (pressure canned).  Just happened to be talking about that earlier today in another thread... http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=5414.msg65747#msg65747 (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=5414.msg65747#msg65747)
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: tomsawyer on January 18, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
I figured it would take a week, I was freezing small amounts (2ml) of yeast for awhile and it would take a good week to get them grown up too.

I use 90g of light DME for a 1L starter thats 1.030.  At $4/lb thats about $0.80 per starter.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: roguejim on January 18, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
I've got the best deal.  Free from the slant in my fridge (actually 1056, not US-05, though).  Also, 1450, 1084, WLP023, 1007, 3068, & 1214.

How much do you spend in DME to increase the population to a pitchable size, i.e., equivalent to a Wyeast smack pack?

$0.00.  I don't use DME for anything.  My starter wort is whatever's left over after I brew a batch (pressure canned).  Just happened to be talking about that earlier today in another thread... http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=5414.msg65747#msg65747 (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=5414.msg65747#msg65747)

Thanks.  Wow, now I'm intrigued.  I have to admit that it sounds a bit daunting not having ever done it though.  I'll read the other thread.  Can you recommend a book or tutorial laying out the process of making a slant?
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: Hokerer on January 18, 2011, 11:54:13 PM
Thanks.  Wow, now I'm intrigued.  I have to admit that it sounds a bit daunting not having ever done it though.  I'll read the other thread.  Can you recommend a book or tutorial laying out the process of making a slant?

It's pretty simple really.  Kai's site has some good info...

http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php/Making_Plates_and_Slants (http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php/Making_Plates_and_Slants)

...and the one main thing I do differently is that I don't mix the agar up and then put it into the vials like he describes.  For me, the agar would start to solidify too early and clog the syringe.  Instead, I measure 0.25 grams of agar powder into each vial and then add 5 ml wort.  Do as many as you want that way and then continue on with the process he describes.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: a10t2 on January 19, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
So its around $50 a brick?  You'd probably spend that much more on the vacuum bags.  That'd take you upwards of $2 a pack.

I haven't priced them out individually, but we just bought 20 bricks and it came to just under $600. So the equivalent of $2 a pack is probably a conservative estimate. That's still half price. Could be a good group buy for a club or something.
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: oly on January 20, 2011, 08:24:42 AM
$2.40 at my LHBS. They do mailorder.
http://www.brewbrothers.biz/
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: bluesman on January 20, 2011, 10:45:36 AM
So its around $50 a brick?  You'd probably spend that much more on the vacuum bags.  That'd take you upwards of $2 a pack.

I haven't priced them out individually, but we just bought 20 bricks and it came to just under $600. So the equivalent of $2 a pack is probably a conservative estimate. That's still half price. Could be a good group buy for a club or something.

Now that's what I call cheap and easy. You can't go wrong with S05 and for that price you have to love it.

Great deal!
Title: Re: US-05...Best Deal?
Post by: kgs on January 20, 2011, 01:54:22 PM
If you didn't want to go quite that far, try pricing out an order of 20 or so packets on one of the mail-order sites with flat or low shipping rates for small items. Williams discounts dry yeast in quantities of 12 or higher, so it's $2.65/packet plus $6.50 shipping to my zone, anyway. So for 40 packets:

Products: $116.00
Discounts: $-10.00
Shipping: $6.50
Tax:    $0.00
Total:    $112.50

Personally, I find that focusing on improving my efficiency has given me an extra dollar or two in savings per batch, and I go through phases (make liquid-yeast starters, use dry, repitch, etc.). But it's your money!