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Title: Dry hopping.....
Post by: oscarvan on January 21, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
OK, so I took a batch of my house APA, racked it to a secondary (needed the yeast cake lol) and dumped an ounce of whole Cascade right before I put the stopper on. Not trying to break the hop barrier, just seeing if I can add a little aroma to an otherwise pretty darn good beer, if I may say so myself.

Well, here's what's got me scratching my head..... It's floating, most of it dry. Not soaking in the beer........

Comments?
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tomsawyer on January 21, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Did you not spray them with hydrator solution?  Sounds like you missed a crucial step in the process.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: Hokerer on January 21, 2011, 03:39:31 PM
Time heals all wounds.  Just wait, they'll slowly dissolve.  Or you can give the carboy a good swirling and that usually gets them to break up.

In the future, you can do like I do.  Dump the hops into the empty carboy and then rack on top of them.  Mixes things up great.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tomsawyer on January 21, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
I'm afraid they'll never dissolve.  Get hydrated and sink to the bottom, yes.  With apologies for my anal chemistry terminology thendency.

Oscar, you do know my "hydrator solution" was the brewing equivalent to a snipe hunt right?
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: oscarvan on January 21, 2011, 04:38:59 PM
I do now....... ;D

They are finally starting to soak. I know they will never dissolve, nor do I want them to. Just the essential oils please.

Now, next question. How long before the dry hop (whole buds) has done it's job?
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tygo on January 21, 2011, 05:58:21 PM
Oscar, you do know my "hydrator solution" was the brewing equivalent to a snipe hunt right?

We used to tell the greenies at Scout camp to go down to the trading post and get some rehydrated water.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: Hokerer on January 21, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
Oscar, you do know my "hydrator solution" was the brewing equivalent to a snipe hunt right?

We used to tell the greenies at Scout camp to go down to the trading post and get some rehydrated water.

Heck, ours still do.  Send the newbs down for a "left handed smoke shifter" or a "bacon stretcher".
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tomsawyer on January 21, 2011, 06:45:35 PM
I do now....... ;D

They are finally starting to soak. I know they will never dissolve, nor do I want them to. Just the essential oils please.

Now, next question. How long before the dry hop (whole buds) has done it's job?

I've read that two to three weeks is a good amount.  A lot of folks also put the hop sock in their serving keg and leave it there for the duration.

Man, I can't wait to ask the kids to get the bacon stretcher out of the utensil drawer in the morning!
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: rbclay on January 21, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
How long to leave beer on dry hops is debatable to say the least. I used to do 10-14 days, but I think the beers would end up with a vegetal character after awhile in the bottle. I do 7 days now. Some insist on less than that.

No go to the dry store room and find the ice mix...
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: rbclay on January 21, 2011, 07:02:04 PM
I meant now go to the dry store room and find the ice mix. That was our treatment for the new guy in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: pinnah on January 21, 2011, 08:21:41 PM
It's floating, most of it dry. Not soaking in the beer........

Comments?

You can swirl a bit to wet things down.  Or next time rack on top of them.






Or, you can brew 5.5 gallons and fit it into a 5 gallon secondary...right to the top, which drowns the raft entirely.

Its purty. ;)










(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/pinnah/dryhoppin5.jpg)
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: oscarvan on January 21, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Is purty......They getting wet now. Patience, I need patience.....NOW!
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tschmidlin on January 22, 2011, 07:20:01 AM
Comments?  Next time use pellets. :)
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: euge on January 22, 2011, 07:38:49 AM
I bought a dozen 100% cotton bouquet garni bags. They measure 3" by 4" is that too small?
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tschmidlin on January 22, 2011, 07:58:32 AM
How much are you using?   It will probably be fine if you don't cram it too full.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: euge on January 22, 2011, 08:09:17 AM
Maybe 0.25 oz pellet per bag. I'd like to use whole hops though.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tubercle on January 22, 2011, 02:06:28 PM
Tubercle prefers to dry hop in a bag in the keg while the carbonation process is going on.

  Has anybody got a source for lukewarm water? The grocery store has distilled and spring water by the gallon but my bread recipe calls for lukewarm. 
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: oscarvan on January 22, 2011, 02:41:25 PM
Tubercle prefers to dry hop in a bag in the keg while the carbonation process is going on.

  Has anybody got a source for lukewarm water? The grocery store has distilled and spring water by the gallon but my bread recipe calls for lukewarm. 

Should be next to the clarified butter.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: bluesman on January 22, 2011, 02:56:12 PM
No worries Oscar...they'll become saturated and the hop goodness will start to dissolve into the beer in due time. I would give them a couple of weeks and then keg or bottle. I like to use muslin bags for my dry hopping as it's less of a mess and easier to work with.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: maxieboy on January 22, 2011, 03:29:33 PM
Thumbs down to whole hop dry hopping in a muslin bag in a carboy. Anyone who has done this knows what I'm talking about. Throw 'em in loose, RDWHAHB.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: brewandski on January 22, 2011, 06:34:12 PM
I think I know what you mean by thumbs down...

I dry hopped using a bag and I ended up having to cram the bag in the 5 gal carboy with my fingers.  Anyone have a more sanitary idea for getting a bag in the carboy?  Also, I made the genious move of buying stainless steel washers that were too big to fit in the carboy (I was rushed), so will the bag ever sink?
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: denny on January 22, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
Thumbs down to whole hop dry hopping in a muslin bag in a carboy. Anyone who has done this knows what I'm talking about. Throw 'em in loose, RDWHAHB.

That's my SOP.  What's the problem?

brewandski, I never weight the bags.  They never totally sink, but they drop enough so the hops get full contact.  Not a problem.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: bluesman on January 22, 2011, 06:58:45 PM
I think I know what you mean by thumbs down...

I dry hopped using a bag and I ended up having to cram the bag in the 5 gal carboy with my fingers.  Anyone have a more sanitary idea for getting a bag in the carboy?  Also, I made the genious move of buying stainless steel washers that were too big to fit in the carboy (I was rushed), so will the bag ever sink?

I've done it both ways with whole hops. I've found that using the longer muslin bags with whole hops works well. Once the bag is filled, I make it into a long tube sock of hops and load it into the carboy from that point. I use latex gloves sprayed down with starsan prior to loading the bag and the carboy. I've also added the whole hops loose but I prefer using the bag as it's easier to add and remove from the carboy.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: maxieboy on January 23, 2011, 05:38:25 AM
Thumbs down to whole hop dry hopping in a muslin bag in a carboy. Anyone who has done this knows what I'm talking about. Throw 'em in loose, RDWHAHB.

That's my SOP.  What's the problem?

brewandski, I never weight the bags.  They never totally sink, but they drop enough so the hops get full contact.  Not a problem.

I always had a heck of a time getting the bag with the swollen hops out.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: cheba420 on January 23, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
Using a hop bag in the fermenter never quite sat right with me. The bag has to have some issues in that draw string or the folds....just didnt seem right. Also, as others have pointed out, getting the wet, swollen bag of hops out of the top of the carboy is painful. I somehow always think I can taste the "bag" in the beer later. On my last few batches, I've just thrown the hops into the fermenter and then cold crash the hell out of it for a couple days at the end to drop everything out. The beer has been turning out much better. Nice hops flavor and aroma, no bag taste! The cold crash clears it up really good. I get a few hop flakes in the first pint or two but then everything is clear from there. I wont be using bags anymore.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: denny on January 23, 2011, 08:24:01 PM
"Bag taste"?  Nobody has ever told me my dry hopped beers tasted "baggy"! 
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: dean on January 23, 2011, 08:37:27 PM
OMG... please tell me you guys aren't tea-bagging your beer!?   :D 
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tubercle on January 23, 2011, 08:38:25 PM
"Bag taste"?  Nobody has ever told me my dry hopped beers tasted "baggy"! 

 Tubercle usually boils the bags before use. You know a taste test of the water is going to happen next time ;D I now use paint strainer bags, hopefully the taste will be neutral so I can get some sleep between the black helicopters.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: dean on January 23, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
Tubercle... if somebody is tea-bagging your beer... those ain't black helicopters you're seeing!   :D
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: denny on January 23, 2011, 09:24:32 PM
"Bag taste"?  Nobody has ever told me my dry hopped beers tasted "baggy"! 

 Tubercle usually boils the bags before use. You know a taste test of the water is going to happen next time ;D I now use paint strainer bags, hopefully the taste will be neutral so I can get some sleep between the black helicopters.

I use disposable muslin bags.  I pout them in a bowl of water in the miocrowave for a couple minutes to sanitize them.  Why taste the water?  That's not going into your beer...I hope!  And any flavor on the water no longer remains in the bag, anyway.  Bottom line is that I've dry hopped both with and without a bag and found no difference in taste.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: cheba420 on January 23, 2011, 09:35:16 PM
"Bag taste"?  Nobody has ever told me my dry hopped beers tasted "baggy"! 

Its probably all in my head. I may have just let the dry hops go for too long in the past and got vegetal flavors. Either way, I've stopped using them and my beer is turning out better.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: denny on January 23, 2011, 09:39:59 PM
If you want to find out for sure, split the next batch you're going to dry hop.  Use a bag for one half and put the hops in loose for the other.  Then do a blind triangle test.  Have someone else pour 2 samples of one beer and one of the other.  Try and pick out the one that's different, then try to identify which one it is.  You may be surprised.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: cheba420 on January 23, 2011, 09:54:47 PM
If you want to find out for sure, split the next batch you're going to dry hop.  Use a bag for one half and put the hops in loose for the other.  Then do a blind triangle test.  Have someone else pour 2 samples of one beer and one of the other.  Try and pick out the one that's different, then try to identify which one it is.  You may be surprised.
Good call, Denny. I've never split a batch nor have I gone about testing quality like that before. Sounds like a great way to identify the issue.
Title: Re: Dry hopping.....
Post by: tubercle on January 23, 2011, 10:22:28 PM
"Bag taste"?  Nobody has ever told me my dry hopped beers tasted "baggy"! 

 Tubercle usually boils the bags before use. You know a taste test of the water is going to happen next time ;D I now use paint strainer bags, hopefully the taste will be neutral so I can get some sleep between the black helicopters.

I use disposable muslin bags.  I pout them in a bowl of water in the miocrowave for a couple minutes to sanitize them.  Why taste the water?  That's not going into your beer...I hope!  And any flavor on the water no longer remains in the bag, anyway.  Bottom line is that I've dry hopped both with and without a bag and found no difference in taste.

  Got some muslin bags also. Why taste the water? Because its there...just got to know. :D :D