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Title: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: dano14041 on January 21, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
Just got an email from Midwest saying their hop rhizomes are available for pre-order. I would like to get 4 bines to see if I can grow them down here in the hot south. Which ones would you recommend?

Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: BrewArk on January 21, 2011, 11:19:56 PM
Cascade has grown the strongest and produced the most for me.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: tubercle on January 22, 2011, 12:25:30 AM
Been able to grow cascade, centennial and magnum in S.C.

Have to water them a lot though. That L Nino bi3ch or whatever has been holding the rain back for the past several years during the summer. If I ever run across that bastard... gonna knock the hell out of them.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: tomsawyer on January 22, 2011, 01:29:50 AM
Been able to grow cascade, centennial and magnum in S.C.

Have to water them a lot though. That L Nino bi3ch or whatever has been holding the rain back for the past several years during the summer. If I ever run across that bastard... gonna knock the hell out of them.

Where's the third person voice?  You been drinking again?

+1 to Centennial and Magnum, very robust in hot conditions and disease resistant.  On the other hand, my Sterling has sucked hind teet for the last two years.  Susceptible to spider mites and jsut generally weak.

Keep in mind that if you plant different varieties, keep them well separated.  Mine were five feet apart and they are already starting to grow into each other after two years.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: corkybstewart on January 22, 2011, 02:22:34 AM
When you say the hot south is that the hot dry south or the hot wet south?  I grow Cascade and Nugget in the hot dry south but nothing else has worked at all for me.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: dano14041 on January 22, 2011, 04:48:48 AM
When you say the hot south is that the hot dry south or the hot wet south?  I grow Cascade and Nugget in the hot dry south but nothing else has worked at all for me.

Yes. Northeast Oklahoma; the summer starts out wet and hot and ends up hot and dry.

Keep in mind that if you plant different varieties, keep them well separated.  Mine were five feet apart and they are already starting to grow into each other after two years.

I plan on planting two on each side of this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15193128@N02/5376370215/in/set-72157625614267325/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15193128@N02/5376370215/in/set-72157625614267325/)
About 1 ft on each side of the corner. I am going to add a 10 X 10 deck on each side next spring.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: brewmasternpb on January 22, 2011, 05:47:33 AM
Columbus and Chinook grew well in pots for me, and I'm in Colorado... Not as humid or hot as OK, but much drier.  I had to water them once a day.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: euge on January 22, 2011, 07:06:07 AM
Columbus and Chinook grew well in pots for me, and I'm in Colorado... Not as humid or hot as OK, but much drier.  I had to water them once a day.

What size pots?
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: tubercle on January 22, 2011, 01:55:41 PM
Been able to grow cascade, centennial and magnum in S.C.

Have to water them a lot though. That L Nino bi3ch or whatever has been holding the rain back for the past several years during the summer. If I ever run across that bastard... gonna knock the hell out of them.

Where's the third person voice?  You been drinking again?

+1 to Centennial and Magnum, very robust in hot conditions and disease resistant.  On the other hand, my Sterling has sucked hind teet for the last two years.  Susceptible to spider mites and jsut generally weak.

Keep in mind that if you plant different varieties, keep them well separated.  Mine were five feet apart and they are already starting to grow into each other after two years.

  Tubercle went to bed early. Don't know who was posting this.

"my Sterling has sucked hind teet for the last two years.  Susceptible to spider mites and jsut generally weak."

 Same problem here. 2 years of fairly good production then died.

   
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: dean on January 22, 2011, 03:01:37 PM
I'll know more this year but from what I've seen so far... Sterling is weak as tubercle and tomsawyer have said, so is Goldings imo.  Nugget is pretty good but Cascade, Centennial and Fuggle are strong growers.  I'll probably have to dig them up and space them out further because mine are only 6 or so feet apart between varieties.  I may drop down to just those that grow well, I want to add Magnum this year.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: brewmasternpb on January 23, 2011, 06:13:30 AM
Columbus and Chinook grew well in pots for me, and I'm in Colorado... Not as humid or hot as OK, but much drier.  I had to water them once a day.

What size pots?

Not sure, 5 gallon pots maybe?  It works pretty well.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: dano14041 on January 24, 2011, 02:27:48 AM
I think I am going to try Magnum and Cascade.

Has anyone ever tried Pearle?

Thanks for all the advice!
Dano
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: phillamb168 on January 24, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Wait, you can plant hops in pots? I thought you HAD to do them in the ground? If true this changes everything.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 24, 2011, 01:17:47 PM
You want a really big pot, otherwise they will become root bound after the first or second year. 
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: phillamb168 on January 24, 2011, 01:47:08 PM
You want a really big pot, otherwise they will become root bound after the first or second year. 

Someone mentions 5-gallon above - will that do? Or should I go higher? Do I need to get any special plants to help with drainage?

Also, here's another question, somewhat related. I wanted to grow the vines up along the side of my deck, but after that I wanted to train them to go horizontally to form a sort of canopy over the deck. Is this possible?
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: piszkiewiczp on January 24, 2011, 02:32:42 PM
You want a really big pot, otherwise they will become root bound after the first or second year. 

Someone mentions 5-gallon above - will that do? Or should I go higher? Do I need to get any special plants to help with drainage?

Also, here's another question, somewhat related. I wanted to grow the vines up along the side of my deck, but after that I wanted to train them to go horizontally to form a sort of canopy over the deck. Is this possible?

I think that even a 5 gal is too small - You should think about a half barrel. This fall I transplanted 3 (Sterling, Willamette & Newport) 3 year old rhizomes. The main root masses were the size of softballs and there were roots running out 6-8 feet.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: corkybstewart on January 24, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
http://s362.photobucket.com/albums/oo65/rocdoc1/my%20beer%20stuff/?action=view&current=WeeHeavyOctober2009001.jpg

This is a 6 year old Cascade crown grown in desert conditions with drip irrigation.  Just imagine if it had access to lots more water!  The chair is a standard plastic lawn chair
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 24, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
Phil, since you are in France, you might be able to find half of a wine barrel, which might be about right.  I have seen pictures of mature crowns that pretty much fill a 5 cu ft wheelbarrow when being transplanted.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: phillamb168 on January 24, 2011, 04:59:44 PM
True, but I was looking at this more from a 'pots are easier' perspective, except when it gets to be a half barrel... I think I'll stick it in the ground :-) Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: bluesman on January 24, 2011, 05:04:55 PM
I've had the best luck with my Magnum and Cascade. My Sterling have a love affair with spider mites as they have perished from the onslought of spider mites in the last three years. I've tried hosing them down daily without success. I'm afraid to use any pesticides on them. I'm at a loss with those pesky devils. However the Cascade bine fairs well against them. The Magnum has had decent years the last two.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: tschmidlin on January 24, 2011, 05:31:39 PM
Also, here's another question, somewhat related. I wanted to grow the vines up along the side of my deck, but after that I wanted to train them to go horizontally to form a sort of canopy over the deck. Is this possible?
They will grow horizontally with no problems, although you might need to train them a bit.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: alikocho on January 24, 2011, 07:43:36 PM
I've had the best luck with my Magnum and Cascade. My Sterling have a love affair with spider mites as they have perished from the onslought of spider mites in the last three years. I've tried hosing them down daily without success. I'm afraid to use any pesticides on them. I'm at a loss with those pesky devils. However the Cascade bine fairs well against them. The Magnum has had decent years the last two.

To deal with the bugs, try making up a spray from some warm water, garlic and chilli. Spray liberally.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: corkybstewart on January 24, 2011, 10:03:15 PM
Also, here's another question, somewhat related. I wanted to grow the vines up along the side of my deck, but after that I wanted to train them to go horizontally to form a sort of canopy over the deck. Is this possible?
They will grow horizontally with no problems, although you might need to train them a bit.
I have a few that grow along a fence and they produce as well as the vertical ones and are much easier to harvest.  I read that once the growing tip reaches the max height it can and droops over an enzyme is produced(or production stops) and the plant begins making laterals.  They can get very bushy, I think I remember seeing pictures of Denny's hops along a fence.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: pinnah on January 24, 2011, 10:28:34 PM
I am a bush hopper, for the most part. 

Limited height, and not needing an elaborate (and potentially gaudy) trellis system
are tools that the home gardener can really take advantage of.

Don't let anybody tell you that hops will not produce if only grown to 8-10 foot tall.


Conditions vary across the NA region, but here in the intermountain west:
easy growers for me include Magnum, Sterling, Mt. Hood, Cascade, Nugget, Zeus, Crystal, Chinook.
Hard to produce are Hallertauer, Santiam, Tett, Perle, Willamette.....

Have fun planning.
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: pinnah on January 24, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Um yea, dano, forget that gaudy statement...I just looked at that picture of your wood arbor...that thing is beautiful! :-*

Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: dano14041 on January 25, 2011, 01:10:21 AM
Um yea, dano, forget that gaudy statement...I just looked at that picture of your wood arbor...that thing is beautiful! :-*



Thank you!
I didn't build it specifically for hops, but once I started brewing I figured it would work well. And the hops could pull double duty as shade and beer ingredient.  ;D
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: brewmasternpb on January 26, 2011, 05:18:37 AM
Honestly, I didn't use half barrells, and they are doing fine... I will transplant after 2 more years though.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5083257_grow-hops-pot-bucket.html
Title: Re: Growing Hops, Which bines?
Post by: phillamb168 on February 07, 2011, 08:53:58 AM
Instead of cleaning my kettles I decided to plant the hops I had received last week. Our soil is what my dad ("master gardener") called Loamy, but what I saw sure did seem like clay. I wonder what that'll do to the hops. It's super fertile, though.

Anyway here's what I did:

Post hole digger to about a foot down, put in a mix of the aerated soil and some moss that the hops had come in, up to about 7" deep.

I put each hop rhizome (spaced about 3 feet apart) on top of a bit of moss for drainage, and then covered in pre-fertilized potting soil - just sprinkled it on top, no packing etc. Then I finished up with a bit more of that soil I had dug up.

Rhizomes are down about 4" below the soil so I HOPE that's far enough to be below the frost line.

here's the real question, though. They were in the paper bag they were shipped in with wet moss for a week, and bines had already sprouted. The EKGs had for example about 4 bines, each about 4" long. When I planted them I tried to be as delicate as I could but I saw that one or two had bent - kinda reminded me of what happens when you bend mung bean sprouts too far. It's not broken, but who knows. Anyway, My concern is that, because they've already sprouted, and there's at least one more month before the end of frosts, my hops will die. Should I put one of those plastic anti-frost doohickies over the soil? Or should I RDWHAHB.