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Title: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: ndcube on February 09, 2011, 02:06:30 PM
What do you think?

I'm not getting the slight roastiness that I thought I would from the Carafa.  Perhaps because it is the dehusked variety.
I haven't had commercial examples of either style so I can only go by the guidelines at this point.

Whichever it is, it's very tasty.

Thanks for any advice.

OG:    1.049
FG:    1.011
SRM:    19.3
IBU:    22.4

Best Pilsen    4.00 lbs
Best Munich I    4.16 lbs
Best Munich II    0.34 lbs
Wy. Caramunich III    0.38 lbs
Wy. Dehusk Carafa III    0.38 lbs            
               
Hops   AA%   Loss%   Type   Oz   Time
Hallertau   6.4   15   Pellet   1   60
Hallertau   6.4   15   Pellet   0.25   30
Hallertau   6.4   15   Pellet   0.25   2

Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: Hokerer on February 09, 2011, 03:50:17 PM
Personally, I prefer Schwarzbier to have almost no roasty to it (for instance, Monschof has too much for my taste).  Yours looks fine, although, if you want more roast than you're getting, I'd up the Carafa.  Should get you a little more roast and should also get your color darker as you're at the light end of the SRM range for a schwarz.  I also like my Schwarzbier schwarz :)
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: dak0415 on February 09, 2011, 03:55:45 PM
I have had the Warsteiner dunkel and it was VERY roasty, almost too much so.  In a schwarz, like an irish red, you are looking for more of a dry finish attributable to the carafa, and of course the color.  Most of the Schwarzbiers I have had were very smooth.
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: ndcube on February 09, 2011, 05:01:52 PM
I was going for the light end of the style.

It just seemed like there was an overlap b/w the two styles and I was having second thoughts on the category if I were to enter it into a comopetition.

I'm sure the flavor will change slightly over the next few weeks.  That has been my experience with Alts that I've lagered.  After 6 weeks in cold condioning the flavor continues to change in the serving fridge and man does it get tasty.  I wish I had more space for cold conditioning.

Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: ndcube on February 09, 2011, 11:37:22 PM
Tasting another glass tonight.  I'm getting some roastiness this time.  I only get it up front and then the maltiness takes over.

Maybe my taste was off last night... or maybe I didn't blow off enough and still had some yeast masking it.. or maybe the fact that it was still 35F from the lager firdge.
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: Kaiser on February 10, 2011, 12:15:00 AM
Yes, there is definately overlap between these next time I brew a dunkel I want to use all the malts I use in my schwarzbier but in differen proportions.

Kai
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: cuttsjp on February 22, 2011, 07:15:17 PM
Because the Carafa has no husk, it has a subdued roasty quality to it (or sometimes none at all).  Furthermore, it is actually inappropriate to have too much roast character in a schwarzbier.  There should be dark fruit and a small amount of cocoa for sure, but not the same roastiness you might expect from a stout or porter.  From what you've posted, it actually sounds like your beer is right on the money.
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: Kaiser on February 22, 2011, 10:58:41 PM
BJCP guidelines aside, the range of level of roast you can find in German Schwarzbiers is actually fairly large. It ranges from none (Schwarzbiers brewed with dark crystal instead of roasted malts, for example) to intense like a Porter. I don't like the ones that have an intensive roast character and the more popular brands don't have that either.

Kai
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: ndcube on February 23, 2011, 04:15:24 PM
Thanks for all the comments.

I'm submitting it to NHC as a Schwarzbier so I guess I find out in a couple months.
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: tom on February 25, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
You can submit it in both subcategories if you want!   :)
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: ndcube on February 26, 2011, 07:06:39 PM
You can submit it in both subcategories if you want!   :)

Did the rules change from last year? I thought I remembered one beer per category.  Guess I'll have get around to reading them for this year.
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 26, 2011, 07:30:57 PM
You can submit it in both subcategories if you want!   :)

Did the rules change from last year? I thought I remembered one beer per category.  Guess I'll have get around to reading them for this year.

You can enter one beer per category.  But one beer can be entered into the categories that it could do well in. 

If I have 2 American IPA's I can only enter one in category 14B, for example. 

If I have 1 German Pilsner, I could enter it in 2A, and if I thought it could do well as a Dortmunder, the same beer could go into 1E.   


Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: ndcube on February 26, 2011, 07:50:58 PM
You can submit it in both subcategories if you want!   :)

Did the rules change from last year? I thought I remembered one beer per category.  Guess I'll have get around to reading them for this year.

You can enter one beer per category.  But one beer can be entered into the categories that it could do well in. 

If I have 2 American IPA's I can only enter one in category 14B, for example. 

If I have 1 German Pilsner, I could enter it in 2A, and if I thought it could do well as a Dortmunder, the same beer could go into 1E.   





Thanks.  That's what I thought.
Title: Re: I think my Schwarzbier is a Dunkel
Post by: uisgue on February 27, 2011, 03:02:26 AM


Did the rules change from last year? I thought I remembered one beer per category.  Guess I'll have get around to reading them for this year.
There's a difference between one beer per category and one category per beer.