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Title: So ya got this Car
Post by: 1vertical on March 05, 2011, 06:21:17 AM
And it is not getting any younger, and the new junk ain't gettin any cheeper
and When is it time to exercise your ability to purchase, or not.... ???

Drive your ole junker till the wheels fall off  ???
Trade it away while ya still got sumthin to trade  ???
Hope someone  a$$ ends you in traffic  ???
Gas ain't going Down....

I mean along with a new unit, comes BIG OLE TAXES and
New Higher Insurance rates....

And along with the ole one comes higher maintenance costs.....
Stuff starts wearing out...

Sheesh....argggggggh
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: morticaixavier on March 05, 2011, 06:24:32 AM
And it is not getting any younger, and the new junk ain't gettin any cheeper
and When is it time to exercise your ability to purchase, or not.... ???

Drive your ole junker till the wheels fall off  ???
Trade it away while ya still got sumthin to trade  ???
Hope someone  a$$ ends you in traffic  ???
Gas ain't going Down....

I mean along with a new unit, comes BIG OLE TAXES and
New Higher Insurance rates....

And along with the ole one comes higher maintenance costs.....
Stuff starts wearing out...

Sheesh....argggggggh

I feel your pain. I just put 2k into my 2003 jetta TDI and I had to think long and hard about it. When do you cut your losses and get out?
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: 1vertical on March 05, 2011, 06:28:16 AM
What is the SMART thing to do ....and WHEN do you do that.... ???
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: euge on March 05, 2011, 08:30:49 AM
One of my friends is still driving the 89 model that I sold him in 95. He's done the carb and valve covers a few times and other things and it looks terrible. Nothing major though. He's saved a pile of cash and no payments.

If it's time it's time. New car is supposed to be reliable which is a huge plus. Do you have carte blanche in domestic? I'd like one of those new renditions of the old muscle-car styles. Or even a Caddy. ;)
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: tumarkin on March 05, 2011, 12:43:59 PM
the last several years, especially when the gas prices shoot up (which ain't gonna stop), I periodically think about selling my 1997 Ford F150. It's a great truck, very few mechanical issues other than expected wear & tear maintainance. It's got about 120,000, so it's got miles to go. But gas mileage is a b**** (though not as bad as some). But when I look at what I'd get if I sold it (not much), and what it would cost for a near-new (won't buy new ever again) vehicle.... well, I'm still driving the truck.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: ndcube on March 05, 2011, 12:48:19 PM
I haven't had to face this decision yet but if I think if it's on the edge and it's going to need new tires, brakes, rotors etc for inspection then that might be a breaking point.  I would hate to replace four tires and then have the thing break down in a few months.

Not sure what your state rules are.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: Hokerer on March 05, 2011, 03:45:55 PM
I've got 56K on my '01 F-150 so I shouldn't have to worry about anything like that any time soon.  Drove the one before that for 16 years.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: 1vertical on March 05, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
Well I googled that question.  Here is a link of interest.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/KeepYourOldClunkerOrBuyANewCar.aspx (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveonaCar/KeepYourOldClunkerOrBuyANewCar.aspx)

After reading it, it may pay to keep the old car. That article however did NOT touch on
the fact that prices do not seem to be going down on new stuff. And every day that passes
the old one depreciates that much more.

My situation is not all that bad, I have a 7 yr. old Subaru Forester that I put a lift kit on and lite truck tires under it....
That along with a reciever hitch that lets me carry my ATV and 1000# axle trailer fits my lifestyle very very well.
Subi has 120K on it and I have kept it up all along doing proper maintenance recently it got new CV joints.  She does
however make odd noises every once and a while.  

I figure I have 3-4 years left to work before I would like to retire and when I retire it may change my ability to purchase
a vehicle. (I am trying to be able and spend my winters in Euge land)
Our state has no inspection requirement at this time and license taxes are 5%
just to put tags on a new one.  

Euge, I am not  cast in stone about the Carte Blanch thing because where I live
it would be a crime to try to drive one of those babies up and down my crappy
dirt road.  I am looking at a Hyundai Veracruz mainly because of the 60K
bumper to bumper warranty and the amount of options that others charge you for,
 they consider standard equipment. I mean the things are Loaded!

Yadda yadda yadda…..

Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: weazletoe on March 05, 2011, 04:10:53 PM
Burn it to the ground, and collect the insurance.  ;D
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: tom on March 05, 2011, 04:27:00 PM
the least expensive way is to keep the old car until the wheels fall off and then get it some more wheels.
or move closer to work
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: oscarvan on March 05, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
There are a lot of variables in this equation......

Can you do your own work?
Does the crap hit the fan if it breaks down on the way to work?
Is the car being driven by wifey or kids that you really don't want to be stuck on the side of the interstate at oh dark hundred hours?

If you can't do your own work and have a low tolerance for break downs, a cheap unit new with lots of warrantee and road side assistance is the answer.

If you do your own work and don't care if it clunks out once in a while an 87 cheapo with the top of the line AAA coverage to get it back to the house if it conks out is the answer.

And then there's everything in between...... and a budget to go with it. Plus, a lot of it depends on luck.

So, there are no straight answers.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: tubercle on March 05, 2011, 05:18:17 PM
There are a lot of variables in this equation......

Can you do your own work?
Does the crap hit the fan if it breaks down on the way to work?
Is the car being driven by wifey or kids that you really don't want to be stuck on the side of the interstate at oh dark hundred hours?

If you can't do your own work and have a low tolerance for break downs, a cheap unit new with lots of warrantee and road side assistance is the answer.

If you do your own work and don't care if it clunks out once in a while an 87 cheapo with the top of the line AAA coverage to get it back to the house if it conks out is the answer.

And then there's everything in between...... and a budget to go with it. Plus, a lot of it depends on luck.

So, there are no straight answers.

 If a new (read: different) vehicle is in your future consider something in the 3 - 5 year old range. Let someone else suffer the depreciation value and obvious defects which will have already been taken care of. The cheaper taxes and insurance are a bonus. As far as buying a new vehicle for better gas mileage do the math. I never thought paying $30,000 for a new vehicle to save $1,000 in gas was a good idea. If I keep my truck getting 21 miles/gallon instead of buying a new one to save $1,000/year in gas I'm $29,000 to the good.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: euge on March 05, 2011, 05:21:17 PM
Isn't a Subaru with 120K low mileage? ;) They're supposed to go 200K easy.

I've only got 26K on my 06 VW and 44K on my 01 Ram 1500 which I think is extremely low mileage. What sucks is that they get about the same MPG, and it's bad. Who ever heard of a VW that has sh!ty economy? But it's quick man. Quick.

Until the electrics come down in price or there's a major mechanical these are it. All paid for they are more economical as they are than buying a new vehicle no matter how efficient. It will suck when gas is $5 per for the election next year. Yes, that's my prediction. Might even hit this price in 2011. :-\
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: tonyp on March 05, 2011, 06:00:24 PM
99 subie outback 30th anniv edition, never had to do more than typical maintenance (oil, filters, tires, etc). Its ok on gas but its def the best purchase i've ever made, $10k in 2003. I'd have to go look at the mileage but its def over 100k. If you're looking for another used car a Subaru should be near the top of the list imo.

Here's a pict of my baby playin in the snow:

(http://tpittari.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/images/subieplow.jpg)

Tony
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: maxieboy on March 05, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
If a new (read: different) vehicle is in your future consider something in the 3 - 5 year old range. Let someone else suffer the depreciation value and obvious defects which will have already been taken care of. The cheaper taxes and insurance are a bonus.

This has been my MO forever. I've only bought one new vehicle my whole life, a 4 cyl. S-10 p/u in '88 for like 6k. Nothing but full size 4wd p/u on the above plan since then.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: narcout on March 05, 2011, 07:08:52 PM
Drive your ole junker till the wheels fall off  ???

That's my plan - 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee still going strong with 106K miles.

The 11 mpg is a bit rough, but I don't drive more than about 250 miles a month (I work from home a lot and my wife has a hybrid which we take whenever we're going more than a few miles).

I do worry about safety though - it doesn't even have a passenger side airbag, much less airbags in the twenty other locations that are common these days. A passenger side airbag stopped me from flying through a windshield once - I would like to have one.

especially when the gas prices shoot up (which ain't gonna stop)

There was an interseting article in money magazine about how gas prices are actually going to drop significantly in the near future - not sure if I belive it or not though...
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: morticaixavier on March 05, 2011, 07:10:08 PM
Isn't a Subaru with 120K low mileage? ;) They're supposed to go 200K easy.

I've only got 26K on my 06 VW and 44K on my 01 Ram 1500 which I think is extremely low mileage. What sucks is that they get about the same MPG, and it's bad. Who ever heard of a VW that has sh!ty economy? But it's quick man. Quick.

Until the electrics come down in price or there's a major mechanical these are it. All paid for they are more economical as they are than buying a new vehicle no matter how efficient. It will suck when gas is $5 per for the election next year. Yes, that's my prediction. Might even hit this price in 2011. :-\

Yeah I used to buy subies with 160k+ miles and drive them for the last year they had. Then if the timeing belt goes on you you can just junk the car and buy a 'new' one.

Now I have a 2003 VW TDI and a 2010 VW TDI 44 and 42 mpg respectively and they are plenty quick.


Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: capozzoli on March 05, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
What tubercle says is money.

I never bought a new car dont think I ever will. Really bad investment. Drive it off the lot and it is worth two or three gran less.
 

My Ford Ranger has 140K+ on and it runs like a top. No dents or rust. Its a bit scratched up and there is some paint on it from work but it has always served me well.

I do my own mechanical work, but I am getting tired of that. The Ranger needs tie rod ends now. Inner and outer. Think Im gonna take it to the mechanic. Hope it isnt too much money cause the truck runs great and I feel now like I am in for the long haul. I want to be there when this truck dies.

I am going soon to buy a bigger truck,, but I wont spend more than 4 or 5K. and Ill drive that till it dies too. Gonna keep the ranger on the road as a little back up welding equipment truck.

I always liked the ranger but I need a bigger truck, plus Im tired of people calling it a lesbians truck.

Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on March 05, 2011, 09:32:15 PM


I always liked the ranger but I need a bigger truck, plus Im tired of people calling it a lesbians truck.



Funny you say that.  When I saw the Subaru above, lesbian was the first thing I thought of.  Must be a regional thing, as I don't think of a ranger as a lesbianmobile (not that there's anything wrong with that  ;)  ).
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: tubercle on March 05, 2011, 09:43:36 PM


I always liked the ranger but I need a bigger truck, plus Im tired of people calling it a lesbians truck.



Funny you say that.  When I saw the Subaru above, lesbian was the first thing I thought of.  Must be a regional thing, as I don't think of a ranger as a lesbianmobile (not that there's anything wrong with that  ;)  ).

 I hope its not a lesbian truck because that's what I drive, a 2002 model :D

 I'm not a lesbian and have references to prove it if needed 8)
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on March 05, 2011, 09:51:09 PM


I always liked the ranger but I need a bigger truck, plus Im tired of people calling it a lesbians truck.



Funny you say that.  When I saw the Subaru above, lesbian was the first thing I thought of.  Must be a regional thing, as I don't think of a ranger as a lesbianmobile (not that there's anything wrong with that  ;)  ).

 I hope its not a lesbian truck because that's what I drive, a 2002 model :D

 I'm not a lesbian and have references to prove it if needed 8)

If you say so.........
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: capozzoli on March 05, 2011, 09:57:59 PM
I think that maybe I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: pinnah on March 05, 2011, 10:11:51 PM
Could be,
you are a welder that drives a ranger. ;)

+1 on not buying a brand new car.
Lots of well treated used vehicles out there if you have time to wait for one.

95 tacoma here, 220K, change oil and tires, 20 mpg.
seatbelts stick sometimes and it fogs up in weather.
I am thinking new ones are less reliable, but don't really know.


Sounds pretty cool, 1vert roading around in a jacked up Subaru. ;D
I say keep it til you flee Wyoming.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: capozzoli on March 05, 2011, 10:40:51 PM
Its a Ford Ranger "Splash". .  ::)

Also made a mistake. I meant to say 240K miles. And actually its exactly 249,425.7. Im gonna have to have a party soon.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: SwashBuckling Drunk on March 05, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
Oh, it's a splash.  I guess I was right about the regional thing.  Here in Oregon that would be considered gay, not lesbian (not that there's anything wrong with that either  ;) )
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: 1vertical on March 05, 2011, 11:43:46 PM
I think that maybe I am a lesbian trapped in a mans body.

LMAO

Pinnah here is the ole gal right after I put on the lift
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Vertical1/SubaruB4andAfter.jpg)
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: weazletoe on March 06, 2011, 01:34:09 AM
Holly and me were in that same predicament a couple years ago. We had leased a new Impala. (love that car, by the way) We had about 6 months left on it, and they were doing some pretty good lease pull aheaeds. Our deal is, our credit blows, we could not finance a loaf of bread, and we pretty much have no money in the bank. I would like to buy used, but we never have money on hand for reapirs. Also, with our crappy credit, we would be making the same payments on something 2 or three years old, as we would for the Trailblazer we got, that they were doing some gret deals on. We ended up with a brand new Trailblazer, I think it had 8 miles on it. And we are covered bumper to bumper for 6 years. Yeah, our payments are over 500$ a month, but it would have been for anything, given our credit. So,in our case, going new was the smart thing to do. I hope.  :-\
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: corkybstewart on March 06, 2011, 02:20:14 AM
Buying new does make sense if you drive them until the wheels fall off, not if you trade cars every few years.  My 2001 F250 powerstroke has 246,000 miles on it, I bought it new in 2000 for 36,000.  Since I was an oilfield consultant back then I could charge my clients for the mileage so they ended up buying it for me in the first 6 months.  Before that I had a 92 Bronco II that had 257,000 miles when an old geezer T-boned it.
Lately when I've looked at used cars and trucks for my company the prices aren't so much less than new so I'm better off getting the warranty.  Maybe in other parts of the country it's different but we just bought a 2010 F-350 4 door Powerstroke for $37,000, the best price I could find on a used one was $35,000 for a 2008 with 60,000 miles.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: pinnah on March 06, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Shoot that thing is sweet!  I bet you would miss it if you got a car that could not go off pavement or tow your wheeler or have the ability to blast through an occasional snow drift.

BTW, I thought I had you convinced that you should retire to NM,
on the basis of proximity to public lands! ;D

Cheers.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: 1vertical on March 06, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
Shoot that thing is sweet!  I bet you would miss it if you got a car that could not go off pavement or tow your wheeler or have the ability to blast through an occasional snow drift.
BTW, I thought I had you convinced that you should retire to NM,
on the basis of proximity to public lands! ;D
Cheers.
Thanks Pinnah,
Yeah I am leaning toward another similar vehicle if I decide to get something else...and I still may and just keep this unit
for recreational purposes and for beating back n forth to work.
Retirement is still a few years off unless my feet degrade from 25 years of pounding on the concrete and I gotta get a
disability. Barring that I think my retirement plan feels good when I think of having a summer home up here in the nice
weather and a winter Home on the Far Southern US border where it is nice n warm in the winter.
When I make that move, I may opt to rent a place in the South and hence the
car that would allow the traverse back n forth.  So If I do this plan, then
New Mexico is in range, Arizona is in range, or Nevada….and none of them
have to be permanent.  My permanent residence would prolly be here in Whyomin


Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: euge on March 06, 2011, 06:35:54 PM
We get a lot of snowbirds down here. It's brutal hot though. I want to go North during the summer...
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: 1vertical on March 06, 2011, 07:30:15 PM
We get a lot of snowbirds down here. It's brutal hot though. I want to go North during the summer...
That is my strategy exactly.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: MrNate on March 06, 2011, 11:58:37 PM
I always wondered what a Subaru with a lift kit would look like. My ex drives a WRX, I always had a hankerin' to lift it about 4"

Good, solid cars, though. Take 'em anywhere, but they are kind of butch.

I have a '97 Cherokee. If I have my way, I'll keep buying these things until there are no more left. I bought a new car once, sold it within 2 years. Swore I'd never do it again.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: boulderbrewer on March 07, 2011, 03:22:03 AM
I love my Suby, 2002,  that I paid 10K for 4 years ago. Wife 93 has 230K on it but it has body cancer really bad. The only other vehicle I would buy with higher miles would be GM's astro van or the like. We have them at work you can beat them like a dog and they still go well after 300k. I wouldn't buy new, but that is me. Retiring soon maybe by new and payoff by your retiring and then drive it into the ground after that, because you may have enough to buy another new one.
Title: Re: So ya got this Car
Post by: jeffy on March 07, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
I also have a 2002 Forester, which has 165K on it and never needs any repairs, only regular maintenance. 
I also drive a 1989 Mazda B2200 with 225K, but the engine exploded right at 200K, so all that stuff is fairly new.  It still looks old and has none of the features of a more modern vehicle.
There's something to be said for increasing your self esteem by owning a new car, but the monthly expense always scares me away.  You must also remember that new cars do not have immunity from repairs or maintenance, which is additional to the monthly payment and increased insurance.
One thing you could do is take your car to a trusted mechanic (I'd try to avoid the national chains.  They tend to want to upsell everything) and have him/her give it a complete inspection. Although he won't be able to predict failures, he will be able to tell what is going to be an expense in the near future.  Usually this will cost less than an hour's labor and will give you an itemized list in order of importance of upcoming costs.